Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

This is an open question to the council and community at large.

Petitions/ etc are not going to help turn this particular ship around now, and it is patently obvious that Nokia has now effectively dropped the Maemo/Meego ball for good.

Official support etc for Maemo was pretty much dead - Can the council and/or knowledgable/connected community members approach Nokia for release of as much Maemo/Meego files, source, documentation as is legal and possible, especially for the N900.

This would be to enable the future development and support of OS and applications on the N900.

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I support this, if they don't gonna do it, al least let this community do it.

I know is not easy and maybe won't happen, but hope is last we have to lose.

Grettings.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

and who will approve this ? elop ?

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It would be nice to hear a general statement from the Council on what is happening and how they interpret it. Whatever happened to that Texrat fellow?

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+1

I also would die for a (maybe hard but honest) statement from a Nokia employee. AFAIK Quim is the only one around here?
I'm already grown up and not totally stupid so I can live with the cold hard truth. But please: No more PR ******** like on the Nokia Q&A page....

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

Not the only one. But anyway: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...013#post944013

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Nokia were already giving us as much as they could justify from a cost-benefit analysis; I'm sure, corporately, the view of the benefits will be lower.

However, it won't do any harm to ask again - although let's perhaps let our friends in MeeGo DevicesComputers catch their breath and work out if they've still got a job. Or want one.

Adapted from a post to maemo-developers as I've not a lot of time right now; but this isn't the official position of the Maemo Community Council; although I'm not sure why the Council would have an "official" position, nor what value it what hold. We're supposed to facilitate, we were elected on how we view MeeGo, not how we'd view Nokia almost completely exiting the market :-/

I hadn't realised at the time that the N900 might be a "Concorde moment". After the shock of the MeeGo announcement it was clear that it represented Nokia's new direction: an open, Linux-based, strategic vision, with a commitment to cross-platform and developer-friendly tooling. A range of devices from Nokia and other manufact urers. The Harmattan device would be the first: a flashier UI, smaller, faster, longer-lived battery-toting version of the N900. That's all I want: a smaller, lighter, faster version of the N900 running an evolution of Maemo 5 (primarily with some bugs fixed and more apps) which I could rely on all day.

Nokia are now not going to deliver that entirely. It's possible the MeeGo device released "this year" might be interesting in the same way that the 770 was. But unlike the promise of the 770, I suspect it'll be stillborn.

But there is a benefit to this that I can see. With no clear successor for the N900, some people will keep theirs for a bit longer, others - who may have been waiting for the Harmattan device - may now buy one. This means the Community SSU can have more users, more developers and more polish.

Already we've seen patches which fix hildon-desktop's CPU eating bug; make Modest work better offline; make Modest more conformant to standards; an improved TV-out control panel plugin; an improved notification LED control panel plugin and so on. Many of these also widen the system's support of portrait usage.

We also already have improved development tools with the Qt SDK. Although there may not be a compelling new device, we have a reinvigorated platform. Maybe that's enough.

What about him? Read his blog or follow him on Twitter.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

We (the Council) are talking about this internally and we assure you that we're taking care of the situation. We just don't want to say/do anything until we have all the information we need.

Thanks for your patience.

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Would be appreciated. Especially since the game seems to have changed somewhat. there may be stuff which was in the pipeline which might not now see the light of day - If any of that is useful, then it good to try and get it into the community. As the old saying up here goes "Shy Bairns get nowt!"

All I want is a N900 with an evolution of Maemo 5, either ongoing patchs, or an more comprehensive refresh. The N900 is still an unparalleled set of features - I had not thought to describe it as a "Concorde moment", but at this time that is exactly what it it, and we may never see it's like again.

All of this work is very much appreciated, and I too hope the support will carry on for a good while yet. Certainly with no clear "heir to the throne" in sight, then the good momentum will continue.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

What do you want a miracle??? WHAT COUNCIL ? does it really exsist or has it dissapeared into the shadows along with Nokia.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

?????
Two posts above?

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Your easy pleased then if you consider THAT anything near a statement !!!.

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Some of us have just had enough of the bad sad excuses and lets face it they are coming from every direction now and for what? it is the biggest cover up i have ever seen from anybody.

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Calm down mate, I know this news has probably hit you really hard but you seem to be foaming at the mouth and losing control of your senses.

Every thread I've seen you in during the last few days, you seem to be ranting on like a madman.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

Thanks for your responses.

Since the Council is the only elected group on this site, it naturally serves as the defacto representative body on just about any issue involving this site. Note that I didn't ask for an official response, just a general one, which you provided.

As for that Texrat fellow, you may know that he frequented this site for years, but he has recently been much scarcer. I thought he might have gotten a better job or something. Fortunately he reemerged after I asked about him.

I would qualify this as a crisis situation and it is natural to expect some leadership from leaders. I'm glad it is being provided after what I perceived as an initial silence.

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Oh but i am calm all i want is a PROPER statement and i am expecting something like.... this community will no longer be supporting Nokia or Maemo or Meego and untill the words are written and read people are just going to prolong the misery.

This IS time for everyone to be straight and then we can move on... simple as that no swearing or arguments.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

You want maemo.org to say it will no longer be supporting Maemo? :confused:

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

Yeah, software development is hard. Let's go shopping!

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Truth is without proper Nokia support how can Maemo.org support Maemo, this is some sick joke now as we all know Maemo is finished and Nokia either let loose all component drivers which upto date they have still not done and that alone has stopped this community from proper support.

Sooner or later Maemo.org has to realise that Maemo is simply dead and buried and to stop living on dreams.

US owners of N900's need clarification and that should be official without argument from whoever seems to run this site.

This is not anger this is plain talking and if anyone thinks different then they are just trying to make argument.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

Yes absolutely agree with you and without the needed support from Nokia it is impossible.

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You've been told they are discussing this internally, the news was only yesterday, I think that you need a little more patience, it is not unreasonable to give them time to decide what, if anything, they will do.

And you don't need to rant on about needing support from Nokia, much of what we already need is available. There are a few bits that would be nice if they were opened up, but Maemo is 95% open source, the community can achieve a lot with what is already available.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

43%*
http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo...penness/pr1.1/

And yeah, we can achieve, if we rewrite the closed source parts (shouldn't be hard for a Gtk developer) and replace them in the CSSU (thanks to nicolai for rewriting the LED notifications applet already, it'll be part of the next CSSU update).

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Sounds promising but is it possible for a total Maemo OS incorperating all the tested apps that DONT crash the N900?.

I personally think this forum as in Maemo.org should be re-named to something else because its title alone suggests it is taking the pee.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

My impression is that it was planned at some point to merge this site into Meego.org.OOPS! Somehow that seems less likely now.

What is happening seems to me to show the folly of putting all our eggs into the Nokia basket. Or, for that matter, the Maemo basket. As I have said before many times, this site is a wonderful place and the best way to keep it going is to return to InternetTabletTalk.

Edit: Maybe we could get sponsorship from Intel. From news reports they seem to have been shaken up by the sudden deemphasis of Meego.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

Thanks for that. I notice that the link is for PR1.1, has it not changed since then, not that I expect it to have. It does also include things like Amazon widget installer (is that something anyone wants?) and dtg-installer, which although included with Maemo I wouldn't consider them part of Maemo, and it doesn't include things like the kernel, busybox, glibc, pulseaudio, dbus. So I'd definitely consider the percentage to be higher than 43%, but still not as high as I thought.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

Basically your'e saying, that "we" (community/everyone who wants to help) can open the 100% of the N900?

What happen with the phone part? I mean, with all the differents laws that exists in every country, for example (hypothetically speaking), "we" can put 3G video call in the N900, or integrate by default stuff like twitter or anything else.

Could be done? There would be any kind of problem by doing that?

Grettings.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

No, it was decided just after the original MeeGo announcement to not force merge the communities by merging maemo.org and MeeGo.com.

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OMGpwndLOL

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Well i am a believer. I think this community can do this. We could even improve it's debian compatibility. Like adding the tools that normally exists in an debian dist.

Sure.. the backing of an company is valuable but not a necessity. There is plenty of proof of that in the linux world. If we as a community believe in the continuation of Maemo it will survive. But we need someone who can take the lead. I hope the Council will do that. I do not know if there are any legality problems such as the rights of the name Maemo. Maybe staring up something similar to a Maemo Foundation could be something. Anyway we will need a system for donations. It might be useful in case we need to hire someone short term for a specific task. Also Intel and the development of Meego will still be beneficial to us.. maybe not as much as before.. but still.

There is still a lot of talents in this community. Maybe a remake of maemo.org would be advisable and also down sizing so it will be easier to contribute and manage. Right now it is little difficult to participate.

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He's not on the current council and has been extremely busy mainly trying to take care of work and family obligations.

All else is gravy.

Answering for me only: I have not been privy to any council discussions since opting out of standing for this one. I also jumped too quickly when the original MeeGo announcement was made, so this time I'm doing some more reading and digesting before saying too much. However: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...1/meego-limbo/

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The reason i mentioned the re-name mainly is the name itself is rather derogatory of Nokia and will get peoples backs up just looking at the site by its name.

Nokia on the other hand do not seem to be anyone's best friend right now.

Yes i agree this IS a wonderful place once you get the hang of it haha.

Intel are a much better bet than Nokia right now i have to say.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

UI parts, mostly - yes (I'm not exactly sure how one would replace mce, but if 2.6.32+ was ported (MeeGo uses 2.6.37 atm), then we can use the open source mce that's on gitorious).

A phone dialer app rewrite is planned, but I have no experience with modems and/or how to manage calls, so I'll leave that to someone else.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

Very interesting and promising, so the plan is go for it to open the device 100% (or try to get most that "we" can) and then do stuff that people request (and can be possible of course)?

i'm very glad with this community, thank you, really.

Grettings.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

Does anyone know if the applications in the download section of this site will remain there or they will be deleted?

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MohammedAG is a legend to be honest.

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So, back to Internet Tablet Talk, maybe ? :-)

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Why? geneven suggested this above. I'm afraid it makes no sense to me: this is not the place to discuss Android, WebOS or iOS devices in depth. Even if we wanted to, it doesn't have those platforms top-talent involved, so what would be the point? Every person who makes up the community is faced with a choice:

1. Stick with Maemo until something better comes along (including Nokia scrapping the MS deal and going back to MeeGo in 3 years' time ;-))
2. Move to a commodity Android device
3. Move to an iOS device
4. Move to a WebOS device
5. Go to Nokia, or someone else's, "MeeGo device".

I'm taking option #1, because I've no idea what "something better" might be now. Maybe there'll be a cool MeeGo device from a manufacturer ploughing the funds, and their strategy, into MeeGo. Or maybe HP will start expanding the WebOS market into the EU more.

However, everyone will make their own choice. Only if everyone chose the same, and it wasn't option #1 would a rename from talk.maemo.org to internettablettalk.com seem to make sense.

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I hope that someone associated with this site starts looking for alternative funding soon. I would think that InternetTabletTalk would be an attactive place to find users looking for good tablets/phones.

Edit: many of these other devices are already being discussed A LOT in depth here, despite Jaffa's comment above.

Re: Question for the community/council - Maemo/Meego
 

They will remain there for now. The Council have a commitment from Nokia that we'll get a heads' up if their sponsorship of this community-owned site will change. If it does, we can look at the costs and requirements therein and make a decision as to how best to support the site in future.