Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

I think many of Nokia's users, whether they use Symbian, Maemo, S40 or a combination thereof, have been extremely concerned by today's announcements.

It would seem that Nokia has become an adjunct of Redmond.

As per Google's barbed comments yesterday, I feel WP7 is a Turkey; a half-baked one at that. It's a glorified and under-featured feature-phone O/S. Consumers seem to recognise this, sales having been poor in the US and dismal everywhere else. Without Symbian or Meego, where would that leave Nokia in the smartphone market?

Whilst Nokia's direction seems to be governed by MS strategy at the moment, the board is not entirely composed of stooges (at least not yet). As per today's fairly drastic falls in Nokia's stock on world markets, many investors are in a state of extreme disquiet over today's news.

What can we do? We as a community can continue to support and buy Maemo / Meego, Symbian and S40 products, whilst boycotting any future WP7 phones with a Nokia label. Grass-roots campaigns can be exceedingly successful. Elop can't ignore the market forever, and if he does, he'll be sacked.

I've registered the following domains:

www.supportnokia.org
www.supportnokia.com
www.supportnokia.net

People should contact me if they would like to support this idea and have useful skills. I'm not a coder, so others will need to take care of that whilst other individuals manage the project in conjunction with me.

We need coders, site designers, admins, some good graphical artists, web hosting, people to write articles (preferably in the industry) etc etc.

elop.out@gmail.com

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Re: several posts doubting my ideas or the the likelihood of contuining to buy or support Symbian / Meego devices having any chance of success in undermining WP7 or Elop:

The principle is very simple.

Facts:

WP7 sales have been diabolical outside the US and very poor inside the US, so far.

Symbian sales are still strong outside the US.

A Meego device - if not released in an intentionally crippled state - has good potential for sales outside the US and possibly moderate niche market sales within the US.

Effect of continuing to buy Symbian handsets and future Meego ones:

Those sales will be supporting a CURRENT revenue generator and profit maker for Nokia at a far higher profit margin than notional future sales of Nokia WP7 devices (which couldn't help but be at a lower profit margin), whilst at the same time WP7 sales will likely remain dire.

In the face of continuing high numbers for Symbian, possibly promising sales for Meego and awful sales for WP7, are investors and non-MS-stooge board members of Nokia likely to support Elop / this strategy? The answer is a simple and resounding no.

Re: Supporting Nokia
 

I am not really mad at Nokia; I'm sure it's just trying to save itself from what it has done to itself. But I am not interested in saving it.

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you're wasting your time and money. nokia's idiot investors demanded that nokia focus on the us. if you want to have an effect, become a majority shareholder.

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Elop enjoyed far from unanimous support among investors prior to the announcement. The ~14% falls in price today echo this.

He was and is however exceedingly popular on Wall Street.

Excising Nokia's core smartphone markets (Symbian / Meego) can only work if WP7 moves any units at all.

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the only way to get nokia to wake up and innovate is that the stock value is decreased even more. This can make the shareholders to kick elop.

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Is this a joke?! You want to support Nokia when Nokia has effectively decided to stop supporting you?

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1. Channel your money to Nokia by buying their product.
2. Watch Elop channel your money to MS for WP7 licenses and stuff.
3. ......
4. Profit?

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Nokia isn't one man (or two, judging by today's press conference). It's a company. It's an entity. If you think the Elopian strategy is one supported by anything more than a tiny minority of Nokia's staff (without whom the company can't function), you're sorely mistaken.

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He can't pay people to buy WP7. If and when it doesn't sell, if he insists on forging ahead, his tenure will be extremely brief and the whole, sorry episode will be terminated.

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Don't know about you, but I can be bribed. Easily.

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WP7 isn't going on sale tomorrow. If his tenure lasts till it is released it will have been long enough to do massive harm.

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It doesn't matter if 90% of the employees at Nokia don't support the "Elopian strategy". Upper management and the board supports it. The decision announced today may have been announced by the CEO but it is the decision the company (those in charge) decided to make. I chose to support Nokia with the purchase of an N800 and an N900. Guess what, if Nokia no longer chooses to make products I'm interested in, I'm spending my money elsewhere (as soon as my N900 breaks that is...).

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wat the hell are you saying? do u know how to read? im tired of having to repeatedly say this. NOKIA IS STILL SUPPORTING SYMBIAN.. NOKIA IS STILL PUTTING OUT MEEGO!
how is that stopping to support you? they've made a decision to try to accomodoate even MORE people with this decision. obviously just supporting meego and symbian like they originally were caused thier market share to drop by 8% last quarter so they had to do something different.
all they've done is annouced that microsoft is joining the picture and u make it sound like they've taken 20yrs of nokia history and thrown it out the door. its pathetic how negatively some of you speak and there hasn't even been an announcement of wat devices are coming out or being dropped

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Nokia doesn't typically announce that products are being dropped till long after that is obvious. I think it is fair to assume that they are secretly taking even more drastic action than they are admitting.

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If Nokia stock falls another 15% next week, I can guarantee you that Elop's position will very quickly begin to look much less tenable.

If the market, customers and staff react badly enough, this little project could be a good deal more stillborn than we now fear Meego / Maemo will be.

Elop & MS relied on (US) investors and (expected) market reaction to get themselves into this position. However, those who live by the sword are also liable to die by the sword.

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Dude, Symbian is DEAD. If you think you will see another new device with symbian next year or better yet a year and a half from today then you are really smoking something. Meego is pretty much dead and i really hope Intel knows what they are doing because that is the only hope meego has now for it to become main stream.

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It would seem that Nokia has become an adjunct of Redmond.

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What's gonna be left? http://www.techspot.com/news/42379-n...is-hiring.html

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Agreed. However, this doesn't mean I should support a company that has decided to stop supporting the device(s) I've purchased.

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I don't think the stock is falling because stockholders disapprove of what Nokia has done. I think it is falling because it is obvious that Nokia is in terrible shape and there is no real solution.

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Umm....yes
Then stop saying it.
Nokia expects to sell another ~150M Symbian devices - "leveraging previous investments to harvest additional value". The quote is from the press release. I can read, and that, for me, says they will wring as much as they can from what was done with Symbian, without investing much more.
They may well produce a Meego device sometime in this year. But Meego is now an open-source project within Nokia (maybe it never was anything much else). Maemo was exactly that, and it gave us a few nice devices, but it never had the full weight of Nokia behind it.

Developers are being advised to write Qt-based apps for Symbian and take delivery of the Microsoft suite of development tools for Nokia's new high-end smartphone strategy. Not a lot of support for Meego/Qt in that.

The link for the advice to developers is this.

Re: Supporting Nokia - www.supportnokia.org
 

Well the question is, is it in such a terrible shape that they have to stop pursuing their own OS (meego) just before its finished and adopt WP7?

I honestly doubt it. For some reason nokia execs don't trust meego, open source, Qt. Or why have they always treated meego like their stepchild while Palm and Google have made great platforms on the basis of linux?

Its a travesty.

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Intel is still supporting Meego
http://www.streetinsider.com/Insider...n/6282172.html

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This Register article explains well why stock went down 15%. Nokia's 15-year tango to avoid Microsoft

"Windows Mobile licensees scrape by on profit margins of less than 10 per cent, and possibly closer to 5 per cent. Nokia's own devices command over 30 per cent margin."

and

"Elop's proposition is that Nokia will claw back some of the margin it will lose in the services layer. This was met with some skepticism, bordering on derision, in the analyst briefings today."


As I have allready wrote in another thread today, Nokia is now just a logo. Nothing more. It used to a be creator of things and technologies. After today it just packages ready products. From profit and investments perspective there's a world of difference between those two.

Profit in Microsoft ecosystems is allways in software, not hardware. Nokia is doomed to razor thin profit margins. Long term investors are running to the hills and not looking back.

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Elop is a coward. Instead of fixing what wrong, he cops out, disses the company and it's employees in a memo then throws them on a burning platform.

Nokia was going down slowly. There was time to fix things. He just accelerated their death.

The E7 that just launched won't sell. None of the Symbian phones coming out this year will sell. It's over.

Re: Supporting Nokia - www.supportnokia.org
 

Well if you think Symbian / Meego and Nokia are worth saving and WP7 is appalling (Elop too), perhaps you should consider buying those products and undermining anything to do with WP7.

This doesn't have to be the end of the line. Especially judging by the way the markets have received this unholy alliance. A stop just needs to be put to it firmly and quickly.

Re: Meego & Intel. They're pushing Atom and Moorestown, both of which are absolutely useless when compared to the new ARM A9 / A15 or even AMD APUs. If Nokia are out, don't expect any continued development of the RISC (ARM) branch.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

Intel is pusing medfield, and maybe we shouldn't guess on the performance just yet!
I'm sure many people here ARE sticking with MeeGo, just not necessarily Nokia. I'm fine with buying an Intel, aava or st-ericsson phone.

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Perfect, I have this $1500 WP7 phone for you...

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

Same thing, different name.

x86 will never compete on a performance per watt level with ARM's various architectures. Within a few years I doubt if they'll be competitive even at the high end of the consumer segment of PCs, barring ultra-expensive stuff.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

Don't spread your ignorant opinion of future mobile cpu developments as "fact".
Intel has better technology, compilers, more money, they will catch up if they want to. There's nothing preventing them learning from ARM. x86 is not so crippling, the programs running on phones keep getting more complex, I'd argue that ARM has bad memory bandwidth and is crippled in its own ways.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

Respectfully, I totally disagree. Memory bandwidth will be an issue if not addressed, but why would they have huge memory bandwidth on devices up until now? In the market segments they were in, there would be no need. x86 is a bloated, inefficient dog's dinner.

Intel's lead in lithography is very significant, but that has little to do with x86 itself.

Anyway, that's not the point of the thread.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

Well i think you should have bought some "supportmeego" domains instead. With nokia trying to pull out, meego could actually use some help. How we are supposed to help nokia is beyond me. Even getting rid of their CEO is not likely to help as they seem to have had this idiotic plan for some time.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

You really think ditching Symbian & Maemo / Meego in favour of WP7 pre-dated Elop and the push by a group of US investors to get a 'like-minded' CEO?

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

@supportnokia, I understand where you're coming from but I think Elop has made up his mind about WP7, whether we like it or not in about a year and a half that will be the only OS available on nokia devices.

I think a better way is to support symbian and meego (if it actually comes out this year) is by not giving up on developing Qt applications and in turn not support anything that comes out from this merger. Having said that, being a developer I dont see why I or anyone else would want to continue writing applications for two platforms that are destined for the grave anyway.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

Support Nokia? Hmm... how can we help them if they have m0r0ns instead of managers and they decided to crush the company into an iceberg? We can do whatever we want but as long as Nokia haves such a "cool" management, they're doomed, just as Titanic has been doomed due to stupid/incompetent captain's actions. Their captains already managed to hit iceberg today. So it does not looks like Nokia could last for a while. WP7 sells poorly and Nokia performs not very well either. I have very little idea why two losers can have some epic win, this is just as likely as to see some sandstorm in Antarctica.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

Support Nokia? Support who, or what?
There is no one to support, who'd had any power regarding business decisions made in the company. Not one.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

with thee utmost respect,


this thread is a joke

nokia has much more intelligence and much more information in terms of what is best for their company/ investments

like seriously and sincerely, cut it out

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That may be true, but I doubt we'll see them gathering in Tahrir Square anytime soon. If we buy Nokia products while this WP7 strategy is in operation, *any* Nokia products, then that will contribute to this Microsoft-Nokia alliance being seen as a success. I do not want this to be a success. WP7 is my least favorite phone OS by far.

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Yes, and we all know that Nokia always follows through on its commitments. Their word is their *bond*. This is just step ( 4 - 5*i ) in the path to the consumer-ready maemo distribution.

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If people continue to buy Symbian based products in the same numbers as before, they will be seen as supporting Nokia and (by implication) their chosen future strategy with Microsoft.

Whereas on the other hand if people stop buying Symbian and sales fall off a cliff, the Nokia board will claim they were right all along to dump Symbian by switching to WP7.

It's a tough call what to do - either way the board can spin the sales figures to make it look like they made the right choice.

A vote of no confidence in the board and this strategy is likely the only hope, and that will only happen if the share price continues to plummet.

The staff working to rule or walking out en mass wouldn't hurt either as they've got nothing to lose - they're being dumped on from a great height by the board and executive managers who are responsible for getting Nokia into this mess in the first place, and none of them will be losing their jobs.

Re: Supporting Nokia (not Elop) - what you can do: www.supportnokia.org
 

WTF!? Are you kidding? Their management decisions have been utter failures for the last 10 years. Why should it be the right one now?