Will other handset maker go meego?
 

I have been watching most of the threads about meego recently and really no of them have some real discussion. Every thread and every post in those seems to be somewhat like "Oh no nokia kills meego, meego is dead! Kill Elop!". As I agree that is really sad but whats done is done. So I want to make a thread where nokia or elop does not get bashed at!

The question of this thread is as following: Will anyone of the other handset makers go meego in the near future? If so wich one would you put your guess on and why? If no one, why?

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Intel will.

No one else will because no one needs to do that.

EDIT : not Intel - Aava

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Dell? Because they're a close Intel partner and they've been linux friendly in the past.

LG? Because they don't have Bada, heh.

Sony? if they're interested to extend the portable PSP format to new ecosystem.

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Intel definitely will. They need a phone with an Intel cpu if they want to compete in the years to come.

MeeGo kills three birds with one stone for Intel:
a) gives them a mobile OS that is tied to a specific Intel chipset;
b) allows binary compatibility between netbook, tablet and phone apps (a killer feature for Intel if they're serious about breaking into the mobile business)
c) open source gives them a path for painless future upgrades to the OS and hardware, without losing their chipset lock-in advantages.

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(Of course the obvious answer is Intel)...

And any of their desktop/notebook partners without inhouse platform (ie: hp WebOS) are safe guess as well... (ASUS, Lenovo, etc).

If there is any chance that the mobile landscape may be commoditized and modularized, in similar ways as desktop PC market (plenty of cloney OEM devices like netbooks, etc); then Intel + MeeGo would be it.

They're coming in last to the pocketables party, and they know that they need to be in this market one way or another. Somehow.

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Nokia will have one later this year. Nokia will deliver more as well, but they will all be like the N900, half way engineering samples, and so will the OS be. They clearly said so (if one is to believe them)

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Huawei? With MeeGo being a Linux Foundation project, a good hint would be looking at recently-joined members.

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I am forecasting that HTC will make a Meego handset. Why? because now that Nokia are getting out, it makes it more viable for them. They wanted to Buy Palm but failed. Samsung has BADA, Now with Nokia and M$ partnership HTC position in Widows mobile in corporate land is under threat. They only have Android as an option now, so need a backup plan.

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I don't know which company is going make MeeGo handsets but my guess is they're most likely use the Aava platform. They can buy the mobo from Aava and get a Moorestown CPU with 854x480 Capacitive screen and smartphone features (gps,vibra,wlan,bt..) are also included. I can't guess which brand we will see on our MeeGo handsets but I think it's going to use Aava core.

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If that does happen it could be a better device than whatever Nokia could have produced? However will Nokia/MS simply walk away from meego and let it fall into someone like HTC's hands? Better just for them to keep hold of it and kill it with a, sadly, slow death?

Lets hope Intel have some get out clause in the meego contracts??

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Honestly I would buy an Intel MeeGo phone. I'm sure intel will bring better support than Nokia and will gives us more apps and games in their intel app store. Intel will reach out to developers and coul possibly make Nokia jump back in the game after seeing some chance of draining money from people's pocket.

Nokia is an evil empire and so is MS. Both are the most Evil in the industry.

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Never thought that I'd say this but Nokia can **** off for all I care. :D I, for one, completely forgot that MeeGo is not owned by Nokia, they were just working with it. There's still e.g. BMW, AMD and Intel working with it and most likely (as mentioned in this thread) the latter one will make a MeeGo-phone.

Sure, we'll lose the Ovi-services but other than that I wouldn't really care. MeeGo seems to be promising so far, even without Nokia backing them up that much anymore.

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aava core has no consumer ir no fm transmitter. the likes of the n900 wont be seen for another decade.

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Does Ericsson has any plans to release MeeGo phone? They developed U8500 platform.

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That is something I totaly forgot! Without Ovi maps, wich one would be the gps program? I really liked the feature to send your location with a message that worked with Ovi and Google maps etc!

Have Huawei recently joined the foundation? Would be great even tho I would never buy a cheap phone but variety is always good!

How would it be better? HTC hardware is great but I feel them a bit plastic and they do not have gorilla glass... If they at least changed the screen material I could agree! :D

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First Sony Ericsson != Ericsson != ST Ericsson. Second, from what I hear Sony Ericsson is really pleased with Android. And since they are not one of the bigger Android handset maker I would doubt it. Also didnt they recently say that Android is there only OS from here on?

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I genuinely can't see why anybody would go with an open system, reason being there simply isn't any money to be made from developing apps for it, it's one of the reasons the N900 failed so much, yes i know hobbyists made a few apps but the UI was always awful.

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According to wiki Ericsson is 50% owner of ST-Ericsson, also Ericsson owns 50% of Sony-Ericsson. They still release Symbian phones, they announced WP7 phone, so why not also MeeGo?

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Ye I know they both are 50% Ericsson, but they are still different companies. So what I mean is that if ST-Ericsson make a platform for meego that probebly have nothing to do with Sony Ericsson.

Guess I was missinformed then, did not know that SE have said that they will use WP7. But that only makes my belief stronger as they probebly wont go for two new OS in such a short time. Still who knows what they are up to?
Regarding symbian: http://mashable.com/2010/09/24/sony-...eaves-symbian/

Well Android is open and they havnt failed, have they? A platform can be open without everything(like apps and such) open. Just look on how Nokia would have provided the closed Ovi stuff or just look at Ovi store where you can buy games. But I agree everything cannot be open-source

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On her way to Elop's house, Little Red Riding Hood gets lost in the woods:

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Microsoft never said they are making Windows Phone 7 exclusive to Nokia. They are only allowing Nokia to change whatever they want in the UI, and Elop has stated they won't even exercise those rights. Nokia is on the path of being just another manufacturer with WP7. Add in some crappy hardware choices by the management and their shares will tumble enough so MS can easily buy them out.

HTC and other manufacturers probably don't care about MeeGo or the MS-Nokia deal. All OS agnostic manufacturers probably wanted to check MeeGo out when it was finished, and have a working prototype in case the market turns bad for them in Android/WP7 land. Now it will take something else to happen for them to get behind an unfinished OS that just lost some major support.

Samsung, Sony Ericsson and Dell have significant presence in the PC market and maybe Intel can strike a deal with one or a few of them.

Edit: Since Samsung owns their own ARM factory I guess they can be ruled out, even though MeeGo runs on ARM. Intel will only benefit from the handset version of MeeGo if their x86 Atom processors are being used.

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Guys, hate to be a pessimist but for somebody to make Meego handsets, somebody else has to sell Meego to that somebody. The question is who? If Meego is open sourced, who has the commercial incentives or business reasons to sell Meego?

The only place I see Meego now is IVI. At least Intel has the incentive there.

Regards.

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Intel wants MeeGo, and has a pressing business need to push MeeGo forward. Without GNU/Linux and open source, Intel cannot sell a competitive mobile chipset.

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Intel handset's will probably feature x86 architecture instead of ARM.
So we'll be able to run lot's of closed binaries in Wine.
To hell with the appstore if I can play thousands of games in Wine.

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If any manufactuer, maybe Intel brings out a meego phone in the next weeks/months, its the best change to get many people from the maemo community to meego... and the maemo community is the best of maemo.

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fyi

http://twitter.com/#!/chippy/status/37817879051255809

Looks like at least Acer will release a "mobile meego device", whatever that means.

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probably a tablet looking what acer have been doing for long.

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This is true, if i was nokia, i'd be looking at the repo download figues and thinking "now if each one of those had cost £1....."

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But Intel don't tend to make consumer devices, do they? There may be a MeeGo-handset developed by a company which includes Intel tech, of course, but it won't be branded Intel. The question is, which company might release such a thing?

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Intel has a prototype handset, they can mass produce it with no problem. They already make SSD drives, motherboards, wireless cards, raid cards, ethernet adapters, cable modems and set-top-boxes (not yet but they bought out TI's Puma line last year), complete server & workstation computers, they used to make video cards... Trust me, if they can make all those things, a phone not impossible.

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I'm going to be a gloomy gus and say nobody will. Ecosystems run things now, and Intel's AppUp isn't there yet.

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Samsung may very well use the MeeGo core for Bada, but to be honest I think Samsung already is way ahead of MeeGo. The wave 8500 use some OpenBSD and it works hell of a lot better than any MeeGo I have seen.

In fact it's a mystery. Samsung made Bada in no time, including different cores using different OS'es. Nokia and Intel didn't get anywhere, even though Maemo was up and running.

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They will be there fast I think, Intel has removed fees for joining their developer program and announced the first 100 approved apps get $500 USD and the top 10 get $1000. Nokia is still running their own Qt contests too.

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Aren't the two main variables to tweak from Intel's camp (as a hardware vendor) just cost & performance?

I don't think Intel can significantly trump ARM in the performance side (speed, efficiency, etc).

But I think Intel may be desperate enough to dump these things at very low cost to wedge themselves into this market to get a slice of it.

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ysss, you need to do some research rather than just thinking.
Intel has what is called a "process advantage" over ARM, because they're the only cpu manufacturer able to ship 32nm HKMG chips. Everyone else is stuck at 40nm. Both globalfoundries and TSMC are delayed. Q4 for TSMC and 2012 for globalfoundries should bring a 28nm process from them. Meanwhile, Intel is on track to deliver 22nm. So, I'm excited to see how long you guys can keep up this perception of Intel making slow inefficient mobile chips, which seems to be based on the fact that they never tried to design one before...
I think the Intel marketing will eventually convince you.

Here, read the "Intel" stuff on this recent article. At least it's based on something better than industry analyst opinions that don't know anything about cpu technology, and they admit they're not psychic and don't know exactly what Intel has done. It sounds like it will be very close.

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Not for long (http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/ar...imizations.php).

Well, other things being equal a chip implementing the ARM instruction set should outperform one implementing IA32.

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Yes, for long. "announced" is not "in production". Do I have to quote myself? Read my post again.
Other things are NOT equal. Read the beyond 3d article. Try to understand what hyperthreading brings to the table, and why CISC can *sometimes* do more in a cycle than RISC. Don't forget Intel has the best compilers and optimization tools.

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Lol Steve Ballmer said: Windows phone 7 has the best capability and functionality for people at work and will be appreciated by the IT sectors.

I said: LOL>>> LIAR

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That's funny, their own document here says it has worse support for Microsoft Exchange than most other devices... I wouldn't allow people to use a device without full encryption!