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mas5acre

2011-02-13 10:17

Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

Let's face it, your not with us anymore, so lets see what the community can do and please give the source code and drivers to the closed parts of the n900, so that you, in turn can see evolution and once again ship your devices with open-source software.

zarf	2011-02-13 11:14

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

Good point, I doubt they'd be willing to make it 100% public domain, and I don't blame them, they spent a lot of money developing it.

However, given the ruling that it can only ever be deployed onto Nokia Hardware, and that Nokia has the right to deploy our code onto any handset them may develop in the future, we may see maemo again, you never know.

We get the phone working perfectly with every rough edge ironed out and the ability to future proof it, flash 10 integration perhaps for instance. Maybe things Nokia haven't ever dream't of.

Nokia get a completely free development and testing team.

How could they resist that, as long as it's tied to Nokia Hardware.

zarf	2011-02-13 11:20

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If we manage to do such a stunning job that they can't resist, they may even make a hardware platform to our recommended specs :)

I'll buy 2, maybe 4 :)

ysss	2011-02-13 11:25

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

How do you plan to block this fully opensourced codebase to other interested manufacturers? (presumably from the far east)

Rauha

2011-02-13 11:29

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

Dear sir.

In all matters concerning the Keys to the Kingdom, please refer your question to:

One Microsoft Way
Redmond, Washington
United States

Best regards,
Nokia support.

fms	2011-02-13 11:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 944839)

One Microsoft Way
Redmond, Washington
United States

For heavier deliveries, it is 47.656767N 122.125349W, check weather.com for cloud cover status.

zarf	2011-02-13 16:11

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 944838)

How do you plan to block this fully opensourced codebase to other interested manufacturers? (presumably from the far east)

With a combination of legal paperwork and, perhaps it would be possible for them to retain a small enough piece of code as to block this, without having to retain ownership of the entire phone code.

That is phone as compared to the n900's mobile computer code.

I know it may not work 100% against backstreet forgers, but it would stop all of Nokia's commercial competitors from doing so.

Plus, who wants a ripped off crap bit of back street tech when they can have a Nokia platform to run it on.

What do they lose ? What could they gain. Any illegal deployments would act as free advertising of how good it is, another good thing.

Its a closed project for them, they can still protect their intellectual rights whilst allowing modification, they just retain sole right to hardware platform. ie, run it on anything other than a nokia and expect a solicitors letter in the post (companies of course, individuals do what they like, like we always do lol )

Mara	2011-02-13 16:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 944838)

How do you plan to block this fully opensourced codebase to other interested manufacturers? (presumably from the far east)

Why do you need to block it? Nokia already announced/told us that it is useless, has no future, so why would any other manufacturer pick it up?

It is Nokias best interest to give it away so someone else will stumble upon it, waste their time on it,and Nokia has less competition in the future.

:rolleyes:

ysss	2011-02-13 16:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mara (Post 945088)

By completely opening it (for free?) Nokia just gave 'the keys to the kingdom' to whomever is interested to make a maemo clone. Thereby significantly lowering the barrier of entry for their potential competitor...

Especially under the current leadership, this seems impossible.

Mara	2011-02-13 16:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 945096)

I agree that the M$ do not like the idea.

Seems my sarcasm didn't work that well. It supposed to be the swamp every other "newcomer" will get stuck and therefore give Nokia the edge when whey have no longer this excess baggage?

On more serious note, if Nokia ever like to return to the Meego platform they "want" other players to keep the ctivity ongoing to keep Meego alive and build some (small) app base. Once Nokia (year later?) is ready to hop back, there will be at least a little ecosystem already build in instead of starting from complete scratch?

extendedping

2011-02-13 16:58

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

If there was a tiny chance before it is now none...I mean seriously folks, I am sufre Ballmer/elop want us to just go away, not get stronger and possibly show them up.

mirek

2011-02-13 17:15

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

TX everybody for the concern.
"My rescue plan for meego" and this thread have a lot in common - perhaps consolidation under a single umbrella may help with developing some good ideas

mirek

2011-02-13 17:16

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

Obviously, it is not my plan, it was started by slender, but apparently with the same concern

sachin007

2011-02-13 17:18

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I was just wondering, If in the future nokia comes back after learning that wp7 did not work will you buy nokia meego products again. Will you believe nokia again after backstabbing every one here?

Texrat

2011-02-13 17:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 945096)

Aye, there's the rub. It's a serious dilemma, and frustrates the hell out of me to think about.

It seems like Nokia has given up trying to monetize the UX along with services, and IMO that's utterly idiotic, especially in the long term (going forward services are where you will always make money). And for us, the current thinking is what will keep Maemo in limbo (at best).

Quote:

Originally Posted by sachin007 (Post 945135)

I was just wondering, If in the future nokia comes back after learning that wp7 did not work will you buy nokia meego products again. Will you believe nokia again after backstabbing every one here?

At this moment my trust in Nokia is approaching zero.

Dave999

2011-02-13 17:19

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

That would be truly great. Hope some insider jumps the ship and steals the source code :)

vi_	2011-02-13 17:23

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hint hint qgil, nab ghe source and secretly email it to mohammedg...

ysss	2011-02-13 17:33

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Originally Posted by vi_ (Post 945141)

hint hint ___, nab ghe source and secretly email it to ____...

dude, delete that crap.

if something ever happens, those two named can become suspects due to your post.

eiffel

2011-02-13 17:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 945138)

Hope some insider jumps the ship and steals the source code :)

Just send it to Wikileaks.

Texrat

2011-02-13 18:00

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

A caveat: @selop just said at #MWC11 that Nokia plans to start making money with ads. That's called a service, but I call bs. Stats have shown that ad revenue is not where it was expected to be at this point, and not only that, ad providers still don't get how to get ads to potential consumers in a nonobstructive way. Ad placement in games can be fine (eg, click on a billboard in Grand Theft Auto) but unfortunately providers seem to be stuck in this "put the ads in the page body/lobby/etc".

MasterZap

2011-02-13 19:10

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

apt-get remove stephen-elop

/Z

gerbick

2011-02-13 19:26

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You can't have Maemo 5, just like Maemo 4.1 was never fully released.

People asking for the keys to the kingdom need to look at how the "open" Nokia, pre-Elop didn't hand over much. So why would that change now?

marxian

2011-02-13 19:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MasterZap (Post 945253)

apt-get remove stephen-elop

Code:

dpkg: error when removing package stephen-elop



Removing this package will cause conflict with package steve-ballmer.

To resolve this issue, try pressing CTRL+ALT+DELETE.

MONVMENTVM

2011-02-13 19:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 945272)

Code:

dpkg: error when removing package stephen-elop



Removing this package will cause conflict with package steve-ballmer.

To resolve this issue, try pressing CTRL+ALT+DELETE.

That just made my day ^^

jstokes

2011-02-13 19:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 945272)

Code:

dpkg: error when removing package stephen-elop



Removing this package will cause conflict with package steve-ballmer.

To resolve this issue, try pressing CTRL+ALT+DELETE.

No, no, no! This is Windows's domain. In Windows you have the suck known as Windows Installer:
http://i.imgur.com/JyuiK.png

isagani

2011-02-13 19:54

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:D:D:D:p:p:p

gerbick

2011-02-13 19:54

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I would laugh... but the nerdiness overwhelms me.

lma	2011-02-13 20:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 945272)

Code:

dpkg: error when removing package stephen-elop



Removing this package will cause conflict with package steve-ballmer.

To resolve this issue, try pressing CTRL+ALT+DELETE.

Nah, apt is more capable than that.

Code:

Reading package lists... Done

Building dependency tree       

Reading state information... Done

The following packages will be REMOVED

  nokia-board steve-ballmer stephen-elop

0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 3 to remove and 0 not upgraded.

After this operation, several MeeGo devices will be freed.

Do you want to continue [Y/n]?

If only someone would press <ENTER>....

Creamy Goodness

2011-02-13 20:10

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It doesn't hurt to ask, the management is obviously all insane anyways, and it's not like these other manufacturers won't be able to use MeeGo for free if they wanted. That one is fully open except a few 3rd party drivers.

Dr. Drips

2011-02-13 20:10

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so, would it be legal to program the closed codes from scratch?
this way the course will get 100% open so no company gets in the way with weird decisions.

This way there could be distro's for any handset.
this will give people a choice of OS, like Linux now does on PC.

Jaffa

2011-02-13 20:14

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

The question has been raised in the thread Question for the community/council.

I said:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaffa (Post 944324)

Nokia were already giving us as much as they could justify from a cost-benefit analysis; I'm sure, corporately, the view of the benefits will be lower [now].

However, it won't do any harm to ask again - although let's perhaps let our friends in MeeGo ~~Devices~~Computers catch their breath and work out if they've still got a job. Or want one.

Jaffa

2011-02-13 20:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Drips (Post 945316)

so, would it be legal to program the closed codes from scratch?

Yes. The Community SSU already contains rewrites of two closed source control panel applets with the added feature of portrait mode support. There's also the ongoing work on the Open Media Player.

mikecomputing

2011-02-13 20:39

Re: Nokia- Can we have the keys to the kingdom?

Quote:

Originally Posted by extendedping (Post 945113)

If there was a tiny chance before it is now none...I mean seriously folks, I am sufre Ballmer/elop want us to just go away, not get stronger and possibly show them up.

With that statement I redecide to leave the platform and instead STAY! And start as much problem as possible for MicroNokia !

Lets start make alot off apps and upload to ovoistore so they get the damn pooint... We want Open platform like Meego to sucess!!!

hmm well I guess this will not work but... hmmmmm

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