MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

MeeGo is not dead.
Instead of a joint Intel-Nokia project it is now only an Intel project.

And this might be for the better if you consider the whole picture.

As we see now, Nokia is like a headless chicken than blunders about, trying to find a partner (whether Intel or Microsoft, any partner) that would save them from themselves. Whatever the end result, Nokia is, and was, acting without a clear strategy or purpose. (This is why they dropped the ball so badly on Maemo and Symbian before.)

Intel, however, has solid business reasons to support MeeGo to the end.

Consider:

1. Intel needs a mobile OS if they want to succeed in the mobile business. (And they want to succeed.)

2. Whatever the OS they choose, they need one that capitalizes on the advantages of Intel's chips. The main advantages of Intel over the competition are twofold: a) performance and b) compatibility with existing software. The main advantages of MeeGo over the other open mobile OS's are also twofold: a) the ability to run powerful desktop software and b) compatibility with the existing Unix software API's. Intel and MeeGo are a very good match!

3. With MeeGo Intel has a unique offering -- they can now offer a complete hardware spectrum, from desktop to netbook to mobile to set-top to in-car, all running the same binary-compatible (!) software.

4. Intel already supports MeeGo. There is already a working, supported and marketed netbook MeeGo distribution. Now the other parts of the picture need to be filled in.

5. Intel dominates the server room today, thanks entirely to Linux and open source. There is no reason why they shouldn't try the same strategy w.r.t. the mobile industry.

6. Intel cannot win siding with Android only. With Android, Intel's chips will have to compete solely based on price and power-consumption features, and this is an area where Intel cannot win.

So, in summary: if you care about mobile Linux and open source, then the best and most effective course of action is to a) forget about Nokia and b) buy whatever Intel-MeeGo phone comes out this year and support them with your money!

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Rather than use your own money and command a very small niche of the consumer base, it's best to align our interest with the rest of the market.

A MeeGo device that has a great and user friendly UI with a stocked apps can go a long long way to win the masses and make this a commercial success that guarantees its longevity.

The sooner 'we' understand this, the better off we are. I wish this could happen earlier during maemo years, before the s**t hits the fan.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

That's not the point. The point is that 'user friendly UI and apps' will, at the moment, only come from Intel's support of MeeGo. Nobody else has a business need to support MeeGo.

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It might not be dead, but I'd guess that we won't get more than one phone running it (if that even). Don't forget that Meego also replaced Moblin, which was designed for netbooks etc.
So you'll probably see some netbooks and tablets with it, and I seem to recall that some car manufacturers want to use it for in-car systems. I'm sure it'll go on set top boxes too.
However, none of those devices are phones.

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My point was: this community can contribute much more in other areas than if you just try to raid their pocket; which I think is a futile exercise with potentially zero effect to the market.

Ps: #5 is so different than the mobile market.

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I don't understand why so many people say meego is unfinished : I installed the first developer version on a partition of my wife's Atom laptop (that normally runs Mandriva Linux), she stumbled upon it one day, and she's been using it ever since, apparently loving it.

I too think that Meego still has a role to play.

EDIT no wait, what I think really, is that Meego can eventually be immensely successful. It's around the corner, like Linux on the desktop. Hold on, Intel. Personally I'm holding on pretty well, using linux (Maemo, Debian, Arch, whatever really) on a daily basis. Never really used a Microsoft product at all, in fact (apart for checking that nope, that one too does not work for me).

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Not true. There will be only one MeeGo phone from Nokia.

Other manufacturers will quickly release lots of other MeeGo phones under other brands once Intel finishes their Moorestown platform.

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Finnish newspaper Kauppalehti: "Chinese manufacturer ZTE has invested in Meego R&D. Their 1st OS is Android and 2nd Windows Mobile. But they do also early R&D on Meego.

http://www.kauppalehti.fi/5/i/talous...id=20110260471

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

You obviously not only work for Nokia but can see into the future aye !!!.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Because the netbook version isn't the same as the mobile version. I haven't tried Meego on my N900 because last I heard even Meego devs were saying it wasn't ready for general use, but feel free to install it on your N900 and then tell us it is finished.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

The MeeGo handset images from meego.com work well for platform and application developers wishing to get in early, and target now for the devices which are anticipated this year.

The handsets that will eventually be released, based on MeeGo will probably be extremely different UXs to those you've already seen screenshots of from the meego.com handset UX. The "desktop" UX is likely to be radically different for each manufacturer, Nokia included. The important parts of the platform are the underlying APIs and systems and Qt. So we can write one and deploy on _any_ MeeGo device.

What I invisage is a Nokia handset this year, running _their_ MeeGo and maybe other handsets running the vendors MeeGo. The stock apps and current handset UX are cool if you want to remove any kind of vendor branding and support a fully open platform. But that is unlikely to be where normal users will be, but we can still develop OSS that runs on anything, thanks to the common platform APIs and Qt.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

No, I merely have enough common sense to actually read and understand what those scumbag execs and board members are actually saying.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

I don't know where the impression is coming from that Intel is the only one working on Meego now. Nokia specifically said that Meego will continue as a project geared towards future disruptions in the smartphone market (i.e. Maemo). Whether it gets the attention it needs and deserves has yet to be seen but Nokia has not dropped out of Meego altogether.

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MeeGo is tied to Qt and Qt's future is in risk. Surely KDE can fork Qt but this won't help. One of Qt's big advantages is that it's cross-platform, but an opensource project most probably won't continue that. People from KDE may improve Qt but this will be done mostly with Linux in mind.

Of course Qt may become something like the Linux kernel wheren OS vendors may jump in and add support for their OS, but i seriously doubt that.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Come on, please!

Translated from scumbag double-speak language that means:
"We will drop MeeGo like a turd down a toilet as soon as our previous agreements with Intel make it possible to do so".

Which means that Nokia will release the one MeeGo device that's currently in development, and right after that will fire all of their MeeGo developers, never to release another MeeGo device again.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Qt is not in danger.

There is a lot of serious money and effort vested in Qt's cross-platformness. In commercial Windows software as well.

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They even made the device so flimsy that the networks turned it down... To fix that problem, they took it back to the work bench to saw the keyboard off of it. =p

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Qt is in danger, and has been ever since Trolltech was bought by Nokia.

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I think you presume too much, Nokia still use Qt for their desktop Ovi Suite, which I doubt will change. They have also got a fair few more Symbian devices coming out, and Qt is their platform. We'll know a lot more in a year or two what they intend to do, but for the short term, 2-3 years, I'm sure they will continue to invest in the platform. Probably as much if not more than now.

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I have to agree wih the negative assessment of MS/Nokia toward MeeGo at this point. They're keeping MeeGo somewhat as a plan B, with minimal running costs while waiting for intel to make some sort of disruptive product out of it that can be cashed out of.

As long as they don't see MeeGo as a money maker, we can safely predict that Nokia is just slowly cutting their losses on their MeeGo investments.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

I've put my money where my mouth is for three internet devices now. I'm done.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Laugh-out-loud.

What, didn't you get Friday's memo?

There will be no more Ovi.

Ovi is finished, permanently end-of-life. From now on Nokia will use Microsoft services and Microsoft software.

This means that they will continue to use Ovi for about a year while their WinPhone devices are being designed, and after that no more Ovi and no more Qt for Nokia.

(Qt will continue just fine, only not at Nokia.)

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Seriously .. So where is your source for their complete EOL of Symbian and Ovi services/suite?

EDIT: I'm talking about dates ...

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

The dates I pulled out of nowhere, based on their quoted schedules about when they'll release their first batches of WinPhone devices and when they want to phase out Symbian.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

meego.com is acting weird asking password

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

You haven't been around long have you? This is the same exact position Nokia has taken with Maemo over the years. Whether or not Meego is treated like a red headed stepchild (apologies to any actual red headed stepchildren reading this) or whether it grows to something more is partially up to us, and partially up to Nokia.

I, for one, am hoping for the best.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Good Lord above, did you even try reading my post??

It's exactly what I've been saying in this thread!

The point is that MeeGo is an Intel project, and Intel has serious, pressing business needs as to why MeeGo needs to succeed.

Nokia's foray into Linux were only half-assed attempts at playing along with Intel, that much is clear now. Nokia never knew why or how they should approach Linux.

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I don't see why you assume Intel can't win in price/power in mobile. They have the best silicon technology in the world -- they just need to build the right chips out of it. Maybe Medfield is that chip? Have a look here:

http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/14/i...ve-longest-us/

They claim to have lower active power than ARM, which would be really interesting.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Perhaps Nokia must downplay meego as it represents direct competition to their new partner, Microsoft. The MS deal may be meant to keep Nokia afloat while it does some internal soul searching. I would like to think (and maybe I'm just dreaming) that Nokia is still keeping Meego around so they have their own product to fall back on and put money into once their financials improve. There's no way MSFT would have partnered with Nokia in the first place if they were still externally promoting Meego as anything other than a research project with potential in the future.

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Color me skeptical. Intel hasn't yet managed to implement decent power-management, and I don't see what changed now.

And anyways, ARM already has good power management. If Intel wants to succeed, they need to differentiate and be different.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

You mean ABI compatibility with desktops and netbooks?

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There's the rub. Nokia never really promoted MeeGo nor Maemo when it was in production.

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You should write them. I think they'll want to know this.

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Thanks, reported as a bug (https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=13514). Hopefully they will fix this ASAP, as it doesn't give a good impression...

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Small bug as they're adding functionality to the website, hardly major news ...

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Sorry if this post is a bit late, so seems pointles. I couldn't stay online before cos I was only in 2G. (F****** Vodafone network).

I don't mean to p*ss on the bonfire, but don't Intel have their own mobile chip, for the purpose of developing MeeGo? The Atom CPU I think it's called.
Of course they may release an ARM version (the first public release, so to speak) just to see how it's received in the market.
Then if it's successful, maybe they'll switch to ATOM from then on.

Just my thoughts on this.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Read Intel's press releases and documentation. All that I'm saying here I gleaned from official Intel statements, not the other way around.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

ABI compatibility and horsepower. (If you want to run Latex or Nginx on your phone -- you now can. That is a unique proposition.)

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Yes I did read your post, you a**hat. Meego is still primarily Intel and Nokia. Your comment about "Nokia's foray into Linux" prove your ignorance. Errrr..... what is Maemo (that has been around for at least 5 years at Nokia)? Is is not based on Debian Linux? Go ahead, I'm waiting for your next brilliant comment.

Re: MeeGo is not dead! (Or, put your money where your mouth is)
 

Let's see: Nokia fiddled around with Linux for 5 years, and in the end all they had to show for it is one single device, with a proprietary Linux distribution, discontinued after one year of production, and with zero chance of making another device?

A headless chicken could have done better.

Nokia were never really serious about Linux in the first place.