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pinsh 2011-02-14 21:45
Nokia Plan B
 
I just received this via the meego mailinglist: http://nokiaplanb.com

Peet 2011-02-14 21:51
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
And so it begins..:

(raid and outsource, but with mselop out)

Quote:
An open letter to Nokia shareholders and institutional investors
February 14, 2011 – 11:02 am

We are a group of nine young Nokia shareholders. All of us have worked with Nokia in different capacities in the past. We plan to challenge the company’s strategy and partnership with Microsoft in the next Annual General Meeting scheduled for May 3, 2011.

If you elect us to a majority in the Nokia Board of Directors we will pursue the following agenda:

...
  • Immediate discharge of Stephen Elop from his duties as President and CEO of the company. Appointment of a new CEO with an international mobile industry background. The new CEO will be committed to carry on the rest of the actions listed below.

....

marxian 2011-02-14 21:54
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Let's hope it doesn't come to Plan C:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Sz5ESDttTu...m-cloud-hb.jpg

:eek:

stlpaul 2011-02-14 21:55
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Disclaimer from Microsoft's press release says:

Quote:
Nokia and Microsoft have entered into a non-binding term sheet. The planned partnership remains subject to negotiations and execution of the definitive agreements by the parties and there can be no assurances that the definitive agreements would be entered into.
So maybe there's still hope for the Titanic to be pulled back to the surface...

Frappacino 2011-02-14 21:57
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
dude its a press release ...

atilla 2011-02-14 22:02
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
there plan b is to spread another rumours,tell some new lies,bring a new open source project and after this it will fail another time

xerxes2 2011-02-14 22:22
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pinsh (Post 946505)
I just received this via the meego mailinglist: http://nokiaplanb.com
Thanks man sounds interesting. I'll follow them on Twitter (@NokiaPlanB).

longcat 2011-02-14 22:27
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stlpaul (Post 946518)
Disclaimer from Microsoft's press release says:



So maybe there's still hope for the Titanic to be pulled back to the surface...
src link pls?

vi_ 2011-02-14 22:30
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
post the whole thing breh!

tzsm98 2011-02-14 22:34
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Elop will have to pull a rabbit out of his hat sometime between now and the shareholder meeting to be able to squash the PlanB movement. I know that some folks are looking at the huge drop in stock value and wondering "what the hell is going on here!"

abuelmagd 2011-02-14 22:35
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Guys this is not a rumor. This is some shareholders trying to convince the majority of shareholders to change strategy.

So I guess for now this is not really news until they try to pitch this and are successful or get shut down by the majority. It's just a feel good story that some sane people at NOKIA will attempt to fix things.

lma 2011-02-14 22:42
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marxian (Post 946517)
Let's hope it doesn't come to Plan C:

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Sz5ESDttTu...m-cloud-hb.jpg

:eek:
That's plan A.

xerxes2 2011-02-14 22:43
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
May I suggest Anssi Vanjoki as the new CEO after Elop. He was behind Meego 100%.

exo 2011-02-14 22:51
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
The 'Plan B' strategy reads like a wishlist, the whole thing seems to be an idea of eliminating all cost-cutting and increasing spending on new talent to bet the entire company on MeeGo. The reason Nokia is in its current situation is the board decided they don't want to bet the company on MeeGo. A plan that outlines an absolute boatload of spending with no financial plan isn't going to get anywhere.

xur17 2011-02-14 22:53
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
I think it will be too late if they wait until May 3rd to do this as mentioned on the site.

pelago 2011-02-14 22:55
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Does anyone know who these Plan B people actually are?

Helmuth 2011-02-14 22:59
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Plan A? :confused: Plan B? :confused: Plan C? :confused:

What about Plan D?! :rolleyes:



:D

xerxes2 2011-02-14 23:00
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by exo (Post 946571)
The 'Plan B' strategy reads like a wishlist, the whole thing seems to be an idea of eliminating all cost-cutting and increasing spending on new talent to bet the entire company on MeeGo. The reason Nokia is in its current situation is the board decided they don't want to bet the company on MeeGo. A plan that outlines an absolute boatload of spending with no financial plan isn't going to get anywhere.
What do you mean by "current situation"? Nokia's last quarter was a real good one and the company is in the blacks by a huge margin. They have lost market share in the smartphone segment but Meego/Qt was supposed to fix that. WP7 has around 3% market share in the high end segment and does not seem to go anywhere but down from there.

exo 2011-02-14 23:06
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
By 'current situation' i mean the MS partnership. MeeGo was supposed to be the smartphone platform of choice for Nokia, but so was Symbian and Maemo...I just don't think they could afford to wait another year to see if it pays off this time.

Hopefully the WP7 deal will fill the coffers at Nokia so that MeeGo can be released when it's truly ready and not like Maemo.

Frappacino 2011-02-14 23:06
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by xerxes2 (Post 946579)
What do you mean by "current situation"? Nokia's last quarter was a real good one and the company is in the blacks by a huge margin. They have lost market share in the smartphone segment but Meego/Qt was supposed to fix that. WP7 has around 3% market share in the high end segment and does not seem to go anywhere but down from there.
Boards dont go looking for new CEOs without a reason.

Kajko 2011-02-14 23:09
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
What an idiotic idea.

xerxes2 2011-02-14 23:12
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 946587)
Boards dont go looking for new CEOs without a reason.
Rumour has it Ollila was pressured from US investors to put Elop in charge. Vanjoki was supposed to be the one but instead it was Elop and Vanjoki left the company the day after.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/a...the-ceo-it-is/

strange1712 2011-02-14 23:36
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
I find this plan very interesting, but i don't knw if it's going to be right. Also, there's a part that seems like revenge, that of "Leadership team shakeup", so I don't know if it's legitimate or just a try to gain better position inside Nokia.
I really like "Aggressively recruit young software talent from top universities", this is already being done by Microsoft and government proyects.
"Restructure alliance with Microsoft as a tactical exercise focused primarily at the North American market" HEY, they are not throwing all to waste, they are proposing a reasonable place for "that thing" called WP7...
The other points... don't really know how real or factible or useful would be... specially R&D schema, I'm not developer so don't know if that Centralization would really help..

stlpaul 2011-02-14 23:45
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by longcat (Post 946547)
src link pls?
https://www.microsoft.com/presspass/...rtnership.mspx

xerxes2 2011-02-14 23:47
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
I should correct myself. According to this page http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...microsoft.html MS has 3% market share in the smartphone segment, down from 12% last year, but that includes older versions too. WP7 had 1.5% market share in Q4.

NvyUs 2011-02-14 23:53
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Plan B can't be trusted why would shareholders try and cause inner fighting like that and watch there investment plummet.
they have no long term vision they only registered the domain for 1 year.
yet they think they know whats best for nokia in long term lol.
give it a rest you anonymous idiots.

Peet 2011-02-14 23:59
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by exo (Post 946571)
The 'Plan B' strategy reads like a wishlist, the whole thing seems to be an idea of eliminating all cost-cutting and increasing spending on new talent to bet the entire company on MeeGo. The reason Nokia is in its current situation is the board decided they don't want to bet the company on MeeGo. A plan that outlines an absolute boatload of spending with no financial plan isn't going to get anywhere.
It's like the current one with ms/elop but with hope if their hard work pays off.

And it's based on open-source so the whole of humanity won't end up losers like Nokia's employees, shareholders and stakeholders in the current scenario.

Dr. Drips 2011-02-15 00:04
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
the problem with this is, everyone can set this up.
some point are very good, soms are very questionable.
I think they should come with a new strategy for their own plan.
It doesn't look very real right now.

NvyUs 2011-02-15 00:06
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
no offence but that article sounds like it was written by the love child of Texrat and Tomi Ahonen.
So much in common with the style

somedude 2011-02-15 01:03
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 946628)
no offence but that article sounds like it was written by the love child of Texrat and Tomi Ahonen.
So much in common with the style
Agreed and the tone does not match with the regular share-holders official press release. The tone is very straight forward.

Seriously guys get over it. Its not like this is the end of the world. Sure it was not something that was most of the tech. enthusiasts wanted but it was a pure business decision.

ArnimS 2011-02-15 01:27
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
1) “5 years for Symbian”. Seens to identify the authors as Symbian developers who missed the news that their career skills are outdated. What market surveys can you show the investors to prove that phone customers will be willing to pay a 50-200 euro ‘Nokia premium price’ for a Symbian phone in 1, 2… 5 years? You face bankruptcy and want to continue paying millions for an ~eternity~ in the accelerated 21st century product lifecycles to prop up the dead guy from Weekend at Bernie’s? Not good. End-of-life time.

2) You don’t have time or the strength to go head-to-head with iStore or google-social networking. It is time for judo and that judo move is called android-under-maemo/meego. Deliver phones that do *more* than any android phone simply by adding the android execution environment to linux – whatever can ship today:

http://ymartin59.free.fr/wordpress/i...et-n900-maemo/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/m...hone-starting/

You throw around the word ‘agile’ without understanding what it means. Definitely need some brains in that outfit – just not yours.

mikecomputing 2011-02-15 01:50
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 946613)
Plan B can't be trusted why would shareholders try and cause inner fighting like that and watch there investment plummet.
they have no long term vision they only registered the domain for 1 year.
yet they think they know whats best for nokia in long term lol.
give it a rest you anonymous idiots.
maybe because they already has lost 12 % in to days???

mikecomputing 2011-02-15 01:53
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by somedude (Post 946652)
Agreed and the tone does not match with the regular share-holders official press release. The tone is very straight forward.

Seriously guys get over it. Its not like this is the end of the world. Sure it was not something that was most of the tech. enthusiasts wanted but it was a pure business decision.
you forget the fact that the stocks got down *bouut 15 percent in two days so maybe the stockholders doesnt like the decisions it almost locks like Microsofts wins on this deal Not Nokia

mikecomputing 2011-02-15 01:58
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArnimS (Post 946661)
1) “5 years for Symbian”. Seens to identify the authors as Symbian developers who missed the news that their career skills are outdated. What market surveys can you show the investors to prove that phone customers will be willing to pay a 50-200 euro ‘Nokia premium price’ for a Symbian phone in 1, 2… 5 years? You face bankruptcy and want to continue paying millions for an ~eternity~ in the accelerated 21st century product lifecycles to prop up the dead guy from Weekend at Bernie’s? Not good. End-of-life time.



2) You don’t have time or the strength to go head-to-head with iStore or google-social networking. It is time for judo and that judo move is called android-under-maemo/meego. Deliver phones that do *more* than any android phone simply by adding the android execution environment to linux – whatever can ship today:

http://ymartin59.free.fr/wordpress/i...et-n900-maemo/
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/08/m...hone-starting/

You throw around the word ‘agile’ without understanding what it means. Definitely need some brains in that outfit – just not yours.
Lifespan of five years for symbian may sound dumb but fact is not all people want smartphones or similar "complicated phones". Old people just want to have a very siomple phone. Thats where symbian40 still is valid.

and in european people still using symbian phones without dislike it ... My guess is that E7 can success or could until idiot elop scared them away by saying symbian is dead.

somedude 2011-02-15 02:02
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 946672)
you forget the fact that the stocks got down *bouut 15 percent in two days so maybe the stockholders doesnt like the decisions it almost locks like Microsofts wins on this deal Not Nokia
Current exchange rate of NOK is US $8.84 and guess what in July 2010 it was US $8.02 and on May 2009 it was US $9.64. I still cannot see the correlation between Elop's statement and their share price. Until this date (2-13-12) for a year their highest exchange closing price was US $15.89. So how would you explain that? If you really wanna look at the stock market make sure you look at the right place and be able to analyze it better than engadget and other troll blogs do.
:cool:

mikecomputing 2011-02-15 02:10
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by somedude (Post 946679)
Current exchange rate of NOK is US $8.84 and guess what in July 2010 it was US $8.02 and on May 2009 it was US $9.64. I still cannot see the correlation between Elop's statement and their share price. Until this date (2-13-12) for a year their highest exchange closing price was US $15.89. So how would you explain that? If you really wanna look at the stock market make sure you look at the right place and be able to analyze it better than engadget and other troll blogs do.
:cool:
I am not a financiall expert but my litle holdings I loosed about 20% in a month most of that after the 11 february... but this is in european.

somedude 2011-02-15 02:31
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 946683)
I am not a financiall expert but my litle holdings I loosed about 20% in a month most of that after the 11 february... but this is in european.
Well if you were not financial expert your broker should have given you better real experience on investing money on the corp. whose stock has been swinging like a **** without underwear.:D
But I feel sorry for you thats what the business is like, I hope you learned that you cannot make money while you loose money. OR you cannot just invest being emotionally driven.
You already have a very good first hand experience, you lost your money and also Nokia was loosing its money by betting in symbain and meego when they were just not cutting it, you can only drag a dead horse so far until you have let go. And Elop and the board made the decision that they will keep loosing if they do not pull their money out now and invest somewhere else (you probably have the same feeling? if not think about putting your finances somewhere else, seriously..)

gruik 2011-02-15 06:08
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
It's very interesting! I like this project! I follow up on twitter@ i cross my fingers that it comes true!

ysss 2011-02-15 06:25
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Sounds like technical-oriented fanboys. They need to take the market more seriously (B2B alliances, addressing ecosystem partners, etc) before addressing the technical aspect.

Bratag 2011-02-15 06:25
Re: Nokia Plan B
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by somedude (Post 946652)
Agreed and the tone does not match with the regular share-holders official press release. The tone is very straight forward.

Seriously guys get over it. Its not like this is the end of the world. Sure it was not something that was most of the tech. enthusiasts wanted but it was a pure business decision.
Yes - a bad business decision


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