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ericsson 2011-02-15 18:31
YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
I swear. All this cries for apps and apps and apps. Nokia saw this and thought - hmmm do we have any chance making tons and tons of apps for MeeGo, and do it fast?

The answer was NO

Then all these cries for ecosystems. Again - any chance of making a great ecosystem with MeeGo, and do it fast? - NO

nilchak 2011-02-15 18:36
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
OK, Allright. I take the blame totally. I kept thinking I will develop for QT and learn QML. But there was just one device to target to, and in between by day job (which pays), I had to take time off to learn and develop for a one-device target - whioch wouldnt even pay, and wouldnt even guarantee thet the technolo0gy wouldnt change again on me.

But again it was ME who didnt develop for QT and hence Nokia- absolutely not to blame.

:-)

lma 2011-02-15 18:42
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Yes, I confess it was me.

Dr. Drips 2011-02-15 18:43
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
you are so wrong

s4br0s0 2011-02-15 18:44
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
i'm innocent until proven guilty.

Grettings.

festivalnut 2011-02-15 18:52
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
and i would've got away with it too, if it weren't for them meddling kids...

MINKIN2 2011-02-15 18:57
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 947272)
OK, Allright. I take the blame totally. I kept thinking I will develop for QT and learn QML. But there was just one device to target to, and in between by day job (which pays), I had to take time off to learn and develop for a one-device target - whioch wouldnt even pay, and wouldnt even guarantee thet the technolo0gy wouldnt change again on me.

But again it was ME who didnt develop for QT and hence Nokia- absolutely not to blame.

:-)

Well actually it was ME who talked Nokia keeping hold of an ageing platform for so long, whilst insisting they build other devices built upon existing well established desktop orientated Operating Systems with that can run your favored application with little or minimal alterartion. It also occurred to me that it would be great to have a web browser that can actually go on the web to access the thousands of fart soundboards instead of having have then created to specifically run on the....

Oh sod this I'M SPARTACUS!!!

realsportcars 2011-02-15 18:59
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
yes, I did

cfh11 2011-02-15 19:05
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Please stop spamming the forum with these useless threads.

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-15 19:09
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

tkatchev 2011-02-15 19:17
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 947272)
OK, Allright. I take the blame totally. I kept thinking I will develop for QT and learn QML. But there was just one device to target to, and in between by day job (which pays), I had to take time off to learn and develop for a one-device target - whioch wouldnt even pay, and wouldnt even guarantee thet the technolo0gy wouldnt change again on me.

But again it was ME who didnt develop for QT and hence Nokia- absolutely not to blame.

:-)
Hey, mr-just-one-device genius: just so you know, Qt happens to be the most popular and widely known desktop GUI toolkit in the world, and that's including Microsoft offerings like MFC and .Net.

ysss 2011-02-15 19:39
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/2957/motto.png

codeMonkey 2011-02-15 19:50
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 947267)
I swear. All this cries for apps and apps and apps. Nokia saw this and thought - hmmm do we have any chance making tons and tons of apps for MeeGo, and do it fast?

The answer was NO

Then all these cries for ecosystems. Again - any chance of making a great ecosystem with MeeGo, and do it fast? - NO
Nice try, Sony.

lorul2 2011-02-15 19:52
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
:rolleyes:

Where did I put that, oh yes here it is..

http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/p...lm_implied.jpg

mikec 2011-02-15 19:53
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Yep @OP is right, that null pointer crashed it completely :D

wovenstringz 2011-02-15 20:26
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 947267)
I swear. All this cries for apps and apps and apps. Nokia saw this and thought - hmmm do we have any chance making tons and tons of apps for MeeGo, and do it fast?

The answer was NO

Then all these cries for ecosystems. Again - any chance of making a great ecosystem with MeeGo, and do it fast? - NO
I've laughed so much I almost wet myself! What a prat! Like blaming the guy that had his car stolen for having the car!:D:D:D

daperl 2011-02-15 20:35
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
http://www.thesniper.us/wp-content/u...i1-298x300.jpg

zimon 2011-02-15 20:40
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 947267)
I swear. All this cries for apps and apps and apps. Nokia saw this and thought - hmmm do we have any chance making tons and tons of apps for MeeGo, and do it fast?

The answer was NO

Then all these cries for ecosystems. Again - any chance of making a great ecosystem with MeeGo, and do it fast? - NO
The license for Alien Dalvik costs surely less than a license to WP7.
Also, why not develop FOSS Dalvik for Meego.

Android has two years of ahead start with application development. There is no chance it can be archived if Meego won't be able to run Android-apps. Now there is at least one solution: Alien Dalvik.

Besides, there are lots of developers who chose Android just because they can develop in Java. But many of them would like to have "real" Linux on bottom, and not the cribbled Android-Linux.
I would assume, Meego+Dalvik would be a real winner if the hardware was right (dual-core CPU, 1GB RAM, 8MP camera, digital compass, gyroscope, xyz-accelometer and so on.)

alcalde 2011-02-15 21:00
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 947317)
Hey, mr-just-one-device genius: just so you know, Qt happens to be the most popular and widely known desktop GUI toolkit in the world, and that's including Microsoft offerings like MFC and .Net.
You're dreaming. :rolleyes:

alcalde 2011-02-15 21:09
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 947393)
The license for Alien Dalvik costs surely less than a license to WP7.
Also, why not develop FOSS Dalvik for Meego.

Android has two years of ahead start with application development. There is no chance it can be archived if Meego won't be able to run Android-apps. Now there is at least one solution: Alien Dalvik.

Besides, there are lots of developers who chose Android just because they can develop in Java. But many of them would like to have "real" Linux on bottom, and not the cribbled Android-Linux.
I would assume, Meego+Dalvik would be a real winner if the hardware was right (dual-core CPU, 1GB RAM, 8MP camera, digital compass, gyroscope, xyz-accelometer and so on.)
Compatibility makes no sense if you're on the bottom. If you're the dominant player, you can say "See, we even run the other guy's apps, so we run everything! There's now no point going with the other little guy" If you're the minority player, adding compatibility with the big guy is seen as just acknowledging your minority status. If Meego runs Android apps, why not just use Android? Why develop specifically for MeeGo? And if no one's developing specifically for MeeGo, consumers will want to know why they should by a MeeGo phone instead of Android. As Harry Truman said, "When a Republican runs against a Republican, the Republican wins every time." Or as Michael Kinsley wrote "The slogan 'I'm just like the other guy, except a little bit different' is hardly inspiring."

And lastly, why should Nokia pay all the R&D costs to build and maintain MeeGo, pay to install Alien Dalvik, and let Google make money from the app store sales that they'll then channel into competing with you? Why not just put Android on for nothing and save all the R&D costs and licensing fees?

zimon 2011-02-15 21:20
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alcalde (Post 947425)
Compatibility makes no sense if you're on the bottom. ...

And lastly, why should Nokia pay all the R&D costs to build and maintain MeeGo, pay to install Alien Dalvik, and let Google make money from the app store sales that they'll then channel into competing with you? Why not just put Android on for nothing and save all the R&D costs and licensing fees?
As I said, I know couple of Android-app-developers, and if they could get "real" Linux instead of Android cribbled Linux, they would change, only if they could still develop with Java. Meego is "real" Linux.
Meego is ready. If Nokia makes GUI to it for smart phones, it doesn't have to release for free for competitors, if it writes the GUI on top of LGPL resources, and besides Nokia owns Qt.

And Alien Dalvik, as I said, surely costs less than license to WP7. So, if they (Elop) is willing to pay for WP7, why not Alien Dalvik, when it would be the winning strategy. Meego-phones would immediately get enough apps to go over the "critical mass".

And there is no reason why Ovi couldn't have Android-apps also, if they get installed cleanly to Meego-device and works after that under (any) Dalvik VM.
Besides, selling apps currently is not profitable to Google either.

One more extra option would be to develop QTJambi futher, so those who absolutely just want to develop in Java, could also use Qt to make them more efficient Java-apps and skip Android-oddities.

windows7 2011-02-15 21:28
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
i hear that google earth is made with qt.

ndi 2011-02-15 21:55
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Picture posts already?

I'll get my shovel.

tebsu 2011-02-15 22:00
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
i am sorry but,.. it was my fault.

m4r0v3r 2011-02-15 22:10
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
so... why the **** did they move to an OS that barely has any applications?...

danramos 2011-02-15 22:21
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy.

JamesBond@ge 2011-03-19 18:50
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
I killed it may'an.

Holy guacomole.

retsaw 2011-03-19 19:38
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 947393)
The license for Alien Dalvik costs surely less than a license to WP7.
That's questionable. According to rumours Nokia is getting $1billion to promote and develop WP7 handsets, and we don't know how much Nokia is paying per handset to license WP7, it would fit Microsofts MO to give it to Nokia cheap to secure the deal in the same way they started doing cheap versions of Windows for netbooks to kill off Linux on netbooks.

sak500 2011-03-19 20:25
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
No NOkia should have listened to you and developed another N9xx for a platform which would have been used by 0.00002% of cell phone owners and 0.0001% of devs to make something decent for people to use other than making calls.

gerbick 2011-03-19 21:42
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Yes, it deserved to die... and I hope it burns in hell!

Sorry... I had to do it. I don't think that Maemo/MeeGo/Qt was utilized to the best of it's potential, it didn't gather enough 3rd party vendors that would have stayed with it, and Nokia didn't market it well to help increase the adoption rate.

Simply put, I'm not surprised it "died", any parts of it. But I think Nokia is to blame. Not this community... Nokia.

arkanoid 2011-03-20 00:58
Re: YOU have killed MeeGo/Qt
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by alcalde (Post 947425)
Why develop specifically for MeeGo? And if no one's developing specifically for MeeGo, consumers will want to know why they should by a MeeGo phone instead of Android. As Harry Truman said, "When a Republican runs against a Republican, the Republican wins every time." Or as Michael Kinsley wrote "The slogan 'I'm just like the other guy, except a little bit different' is hardly inspiring."

And lastly, why should Nokia pay all the R&D costs to build and maintain MeeGo, pay to install Alien Dalvik, and let Google make money from the app store sales that they'll then channel into competing with you? Why not just put Android on for nothing and save all the R&D costs and licensing fees?
First question: same reason: porting Unix apps is more easy and flexible way.

Second question: because we do not need yet another Android phone, just labeled "Nokia". I won't buy it.


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