'A handheld computer' (and not a 'smart' phone)
 

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If you define the category as anything between a PDA and a laptop, OK. But there are several significant differences between the iPhone and the Internet Tablet. When you are focused on internet tablets, that is what you will see as a comparison point.

Actually, the iPhone is first and foremost a phone and most clearly is a modern update to the Nokia 7700 and 7710 touch screen phones of a few years ago that got overtaken within Nokia by S60.

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To be honest, the iPhone is what in the UK is called a Feature Phone. A halfway way stage between a basic mobile and Smart Phone. Despite what appears to be a very impressive user interphase the actual features offered are limited. In particular there is a walled garden for third party applications. The slight relaxing for internet based programs is still incredibly limiting.

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I think that -- even though the iPhone can make calls on a wireless network and the Internet Tablets can't -- that the iPhone is more like the N800 than a cellphone.

And don't argue with me -- it's Walt Mossberg who has millions of readers and who calls the iPhone a "handheld computer" in the headline of his review. (And not just at the Wall Street Journal -- at his own website too.)

And, um. what cellphone do you know of that has a 700 MB OS? When you talk about being able to add new features via applications, a device with a general-purpose OS like the iPhone and the N800 will blow away a device with a mobile-phone OS.

Just my opinion, of course.

Roger

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WinMo is a big OS. What distinguishes the iPhone isn't its OS; it's the concept and design considerations, including the oversized display and touch screen centric interface with minimal buttons. Are you familiar with the 7710?

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For a 1.0 product it seems pretty solid so far, all the limitations that people are citing can be corrected with software and Apple has a great track record of supporting their hardware. Apple is a very large company, and it seems they are focusing a lot of their effort on their new platform. We can probably expect great things to come from the iPod and iPhone lines.

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It seems to me there is more "hype" in the Iphone and more "density" in the IT.

Meaning

- The Iphone is presented a a cool mix of everything (Ipod, Phone, Internet access ...) , including a fashion item, that aims at pleasing - rather well - the consumer satisfaction, but in a centered way. No modularity.

- The IT is an elegant platform focusing (hence the name) on Internet based applications, with a lot of evolution potential, aiming at becoming the node of a modular organization of our IT lives.

Personally, I think the IT concept has an advantage, because one can always leave it at home and keep the modules in one's pocket ( a cell phone, a camera, a pen). One can't with the Iphone (or invest in a second phone, back to square one).

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I heard on the radio today in an article on tech that the COO (Cost of Ownership) of the iPhone is at least $2000 when you include the service contract payments you need to use it. The iPhone masses are going to get plundered! Let's see.. for that I can get at least 5 n800s - I could almost consider them disposable twice a year! I be a happy buccaneer with my Tab!

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Oh, you heard on an unnamed radio show that the iPhone really costs $2,000?

I heard from an unnamed Microsoft sockpuppet that it will cost $3,500 if I factor in the "hidden" costs of converting my music collection! ZOMG! They use "locked into one music store" as code for "not locked into Microsoft DRM." I also heard it has smudges (unless the incredibly bright screen is turned on at all) and scratches (except no it doesn't) and an evil battery and on and on and on.

On the other hand, I also saw all the tables at
http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/26/h...in-total-cost/

showing different devices on different plans. Looks like it will cost me an extra $10/mo to use an iPhone over my current device/plan. Also, I may wind up leaving the n800 at home more because iPhone will give me better browsing than my current phone. Maybe I'll be able to view it in bright sunlight, unlike my n800.

The thing that really gets me is the predictions by financial analysts. Apple predicts sales of 10m by end of 2008, but two analysts quoted here

http://www.marketwatch.com/news/stor...64BDD135547%7D

indicate that estimate may be conservative.

Now, if you're like me, you check the imdb entry every time you watch a movie. On the n800, I have to stop the movie page before it loads completely, or it sends me to an ad page. With 10m users, the iPhone is not going to let problems like that hang around for very long.

It's nice to hope for adherence to browser standards, but it's vastly more likely that problems will be fixed for a large audience.

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I have not seen that happening on my N800. (Last checked today, to make sure.) Maybe because I have set the pop-up settings in the browser to "Only requested"...

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I've had my 770 since release, have had several Blackberries over the last decade, and just got my iPhone. The 770 largely languished for me, despite much of the utility that it offered. It simply crashed too often for me to be able to consider it a necessary item.

The iPhone will actually me $15/month by ditching the blackberry, and give me some more interesting features. It makes a better web browser, if only for the fact that I can have multiple windows running.

As much as I love the 770 and could have gotten an N800, the value of all the extra applications was negated by the size and instability. I hope Apple realizes the opportunities that are available from Nokia's experience in allowing more open development on the device... but I am also hoping they are successful in improving stability over where Nokia stands.

It's going to be interesting to see how the industry develops around these palm-top computers.

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Not the sealed battery... which is one of my big sticking points.

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No biggie: Just write a prog that'll make the iPhone's (<spit!>) clock run gradually slower and slower so that its battery appears not to lose any capacity. It'll fool any iPodder out there.

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How much does a developer license cost? :D

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In a couple years when the batteries don't work so well anymore iPhone 2 or 3 will be out anyway. I've only been using cell phones for 3 years now and am on my second one. Right now I'm not too impressed with it, but maybe after the first software update, I might like it more. Unfortunetly even being a mac certified technician I still can't get the service manuals for it.

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I just can't look at this as a disposable device.

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" Nokia of Finland, whose N95 is probably the closest competitor to the iPhone in the United States, said it also plans a touch-screen cellphone called the Aeon, though the company has not said when it will go on sale."

if the 800 could make calls sans internet, they'd have it. Perhaps this Aeon is the n900.

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That's the way Apple rolls. Planned obsolescence. Though to tell the truth, I still have my old original iPod. It still runs, for about an hour.

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Could this help?

http://geektechnique.org/projectlab/...ash-based-ipod

It's about putting flash in a disc-based pod, but there's some stuff about batteries as well.

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I am absolutely no apple fanboy but let´s now look on the iPhone from this side:

1) It´s been "hacked" ... http://nanocr.eu/2007/07/02/unbricking-the-iphone/ and
http://www.tuaw.com/2007/07/02/tada-...-enabled-ipod/

So, after 4 days of the release, they found out how to use the WiFi/Music capabilitie without registering @ AT&T

2) It´s still too expensive, but hey, the way you control it is so unique, from the videos I´ve seen it just rocks. (BTW: I´m a N770 owner and very happy with it!)

3) The battery... When the iPod came out everyone screemed: Noooooo, no replaceable battery! And after a few months, eBay was full with new batteries for the iPod. I swear, you can open that case as easily as the iPod cases. The guys @ their customer service have to do the same when they need to replace it!

4) I guess it´ll need another few weeks or months to fully unlock the device. I myself won´t buy one, but this device got huge potential!

It can open *.doc*.pdf and others! Not even the Nokia devices are capable of opening *.doc files... The iPod IS a good music player, even if the hype about it is just scary... So, when the prices drop in a few months or years, this device might be a very capable one (if it´s fully unlocked then!)