Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Honestly, I'm Starting To Hate Maemo Right Now. With All Do Respect To The Development Team Of Maemo, This Problem Is Not Going Anywhere. I Am To My Tows With This Damed Problem And I Am Really Getting Pissed Off At It.

I Have Been Facing This Issue (Hildon-home) Crashing, For Over 3 Months Now, Yet There Is Totally No Support Towards Fixing This Problem. I Did Post A Thread Concerning About This Problem, All I Got Was Remove Problematic Apps And Wait For Updates.

But Now, After Months Of Facing This Problem, I Dont Think It's An App Issue. I Suspect That This Has Something To Do With The Pr 1.3 Update.Why you may ask? because i realized the hildon-home crashes even with no apps/widgets running.

The Problem Is Not Just Hildon-home Crashing, But Because Of It Happening The Os Tries To Recover It And Causes The Processor To Shoot Up To 50%, Which Then Eats Up The Phone Battery Like A Well Known Bunny On Steroids.

To top it all off, The idiots in nokia decided to scrap the maemo project and move on the Microsoft W7 mobile. Knowing that, i dont think there will be anymore updates for the maemo system. (do correct me on this).

Now, some one please fix this god dam *+#€#-# issue!

Re: Fed up with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

First Of All Please Dont Type Like This..Its Painful for The Eyes.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Hope this helps!

Re: Fed up with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Hildon-home crashes if widget is misbehaving.

Flash your device and do not install anything that releates to widgets.

To give support you have to find that misbehaving widget by yourself and write bug report to devel of that widget.

From what I see bugzilla hildon-home entry is that Nokia engineers say that their test device (devie that does not have anything 3rd party stuff installed) works as it should.

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--or maybe not--

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Has it ever come to your mind that you are pretty much alone with your problem. Or maybe there is couple of hundred users with same problem as you are having and still most of users do not have problem what you have. So painfull fact is that you have to help yourself and try to debug where the problem lies.

Re: Fed up with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Wow, that was a long headline.

Anyway, define crashing? What happens when it crashes?

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I don't think that this is a dam problem. This is a dam problem: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfW5MqT7CSA And yes, they're trying to fix the dam problem.

However, did you try to completely flash it? Did you try deleting all your desktop widgets (maybe its a widget crashing)?

Re: Fed up with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I have flashed my phone about 3 times already yet the problem persists. And no, i'm not the only one there are quite a number of them having this same problem, i guess they are just living with it. But i cant! I cant stand my phone crashing or lagging.

Re: Fed up with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Well, every single object on the screen stops responding except Contacts shortcuts. Nothing will respond to the touch, and if you continuously tap the screen the task manager will ask you if you want to terminate hildon-home.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

If you've flashed it 3 times and the problem still persists, then maybe it's a hardware problem. Time to return it to Nokia "care"?

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Never had that kind of problem :| If it does that with factory default device that has only your contact data imported then quite likely it´s HW-fault.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Haha! sorry for the lame spelling, i was using my phone earlier so yeah. Anyways, Yes! i flashed it 3 times.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

btw. You do realize that there is some modifications that are not traditional apps but they might be running in background or do some tweaking to default system:
For example: Recaller (this is widget), Apemfo, Catorise, battery level monitor, shortcutd and many many more.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Have this problem, even my allarm has stopped registering lol, i'm running alot of experimental/devel app though, problem started after using Theme Customiser and CSSU for me.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I have catoris and battery level running. But i dont think this causes an of the problems. If catoris were to crash the entire threaded menu should show "No icons found"

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

*sigh*
In your position I would try to run n900 with default settings and only contacts data imported for a week and if there is no problems then I would start installing stuff one by one and wait for awhile again.

I have catoris and app search (widget) installed and currenlty I'm having trouble with hildon-home virtual memory size sky rocketing after couple of days usage. The only fellow who is mostly responsible for debugging this possible problem is guy starig at me from mirror. Then again I have possibility to not use those apps and everything works fine.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I did run it on factory default. no catoris and battery level. Yet hildon-home still crashed. The wired part is, when hildon- home crashes, all messages or any sort of incoming notification get stuck and wont show up.

anyways, the big question is why is there no one out there bothered to actually fix this =.=

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I've also catorise installed and lot of devel stuff.
Haven't had a hildon crash a single time!
I think that's a hardware related problem, like some N900 are able to overclock easily up to 1.2 ghz (like my N900) and some have USB connector problems and so on.
Contact Nokia Care and get a replacement N900 or directly from your supplier (probably faster than Nokia Care).

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Why haven't you bothered to send it back to Nokia "care" to get it fixed?

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Did you flash BOTH images because no way you get crashes of ANY kind when it is working at "stock" level.

You need to completely flash and get back to square one before you can complain because i can tell you nobody on this forum is having problems you describe AFTER as you say flashing it.

Go back to begining and start again is the only way and if it still the same problems you describe then get it back to Nokia care cos no one can help you any further here.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Deja vu? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=904509

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Good question! And who is the most likely person to do the fixing? That would be the one who has total access to your N900 -- you.

Send it to me (and pay round trip shipping to California) and I'll work on it. As long as you have it, the primary work on fixing it has to be done by you.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Yep i looked at that DeJaVu and i reckon he is trolling for sure.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

What a whiny post, do you expect people to be mind readers? You started a post on this problem and told everyone two months ago that you had found the problem app/widget was DCEW. You never posted a follow-up on that thread, saying that that wasn't the problem. How do you expect your problem to be solved, if you told everyone your problem was solved by removing a problematic widget, just like they suggested?

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Hey guys,

I had the same problem from time to time. Mine had a problem with as-daemon and sometimes other stuffs I don't even know of.

My solution was to 1st back up everything with the backup app, then delete the calendardb (which seemed to be grosely big for me around 200mb sometimes) or back ip up as calendardb.bak using FileBox app and replace it with an original one from when you flash both rootfs and eMMC (without restoring anything).

But the inconvenience is the problem seems to come back from time to time.

I hope this can help. Let me know.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

No no, it works fine on stock. But obviously i need the standard apps,
which are :
FB widget
e-mail
conversation inbox

Just earlier today, hildon-home crashed twice with in 15 min. I just dont understand why! If there are problematic apps, why aren't they fixed? Why are this apps not fixed and are still available for download?

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

The only answer i got back from every one was the same.

Find problematic apps and stop using them. Now how is that useful you tell me?

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

If i had knowledge on programming python and Linux i would have fixed this problem my self. I'm here asking for help because i do not know how to fix it and i am already really pissed off with it.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

You don't need any programming at all. All you might need in Linux is the ability to follow instructions.

I'm with those who don't believe you have flashed your phone properly.

If you are sure absolutely you have flashed it completely and properly, it's time to get another phone. What is happening to you doesn't happen to hardly anyone. Flashing would fix it if it did.

I suggest you start over. Flash, and describe to us exactly how you did it. Then don't reinstall ANY programs and tell us how your N900 is working.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Out of all of those I think conversation inbox is the only not supplied by a major company (e.g. coming from a developer on maemo.org). Facebook widget coming from Facebook. And e-mail coming from Nokia.

And as to why it's not fixed. Because developers either don't have the time or they don't care. Or they've moved onto greener pastures (another device).

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

This is actually useful information...

First off, do you have e-mail setup to auto-check your mail? If so, have you tried turning that OFF to see if it helps? 15 minutes sounds like a nice interval to check mail... Or a multiple there of. If your ISP is having issues, or you're having connectivity issues it could in fact lock up things over time.

Second, when you've done your flash and reinstall have you restored from a backup? If so, DON'T! A backup tars up system essential files, including several databases for email, contacts, settings, etc. If the problem is a bad database, doing a restore could put you right back to where you were. (Have you tried purging your sms database by removing it via xterm? That causes lots of problems like this when corrupted and you get new sms.)

What I would do it I were you is as follows:

• Sync with another device (Outlook, Google, another phone, etc).
• Reflash the N900 with a custom flash image.
• Do a forced push/sync from the device you synced with (this will restore your contacts and calendar without restoring the whole database).
• Setup email without auto-checking.

If that works, slowly turn things on, like email auto-check, adding apps, at the rate of one or two a day.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I can confirm with you that i have completely flashed my phone properly. About the Email part. I'm not to sure about it, but i know i have it to receive automatically when there is an email. But i will try your method.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

This is what i did, I can confirm you that i flashed it 100% correctly.




Step 1 Download the update files here - http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
Step 2 The product id will be the IMEI number.Press *#06# for your device id number
Step 3 Download "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin" & "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" files & rename the files R.bin & RE.bin respectively.
Step 4 Extract and install the Maemo flasher tool
Step 5 Copy R.bin & RE.bin files to C:/Program Files/maemo/flasher-3.5 directory
Step 6 Connect your phone to your computer using USB cable. Then press the power button to turn it off

Step 7 Press and hold on the letter " U" key on your phone qwerty keyboard while powering up your phone.

Step 8 A USB LOGO will appear on the top right of your screen.After the USB logo appeared you can let go of your finger.

Step 9 On your computer Access to your command prompt (CMD) for windows 7 Start > type cmd in search bar & ENTER
Step 10 Type the following code (IMPORTANT NOTE: This command is case-sensitive)
CODE
cd "C:\Program files\maemo\flasher-3.5"
then
CODE
flasher-3.5.exe -F R.bin -f

http://i.imgur.com/J1xgh.jpg

It will start flashing your phone.

Step 11 Type the following code (IMPORTANT NOTE: This command is case-sensitive)
CODE
cd "C:\Program files\maemo\flasher-3.5"
then
CODE
flasher-3.5.exe -F RE.bin -f -R

http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/5...kkkkkkkkko.png

It will start formating your phone

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

These instructions are wrong... you should always flash eMMC first. Also, make sure your battery is fully charged first.

http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I stated nothing about flashing properly, I asked if you restored a backup, that has nothing to do with the flash process. My question was have you been using the backup/restore app on the N900? If so, it may be restoring a corrupt database (contacts, settings, sms logs), which could be the root cause of hildon-home having issues.

And yes, getting email automatically would indicate that it's set to poll getting your mail. It may be that has something to do with it. You may want to try turning that off in the mail settings. You can always manually refresh in mail by hitting the top bar for the menu and selecting send/receive. If it is your mail refresh causing the issue, then you know where to look for the issue (network connectivity, ISP issues, etc), or you can eliminate that as a culprit.

You need to stop being defensive about this. Repeating constantly that you've "flashed properly" doesn't help. Describing steps you've taken and what you're using when things go bad can. Try a clean install without restoring from a backup and see if it persists. There's something clearly happening in your system that's not happening for everyone else. The challenge is finding it, and eliminating uniqueness is the first step of doing that. Once it's found you can ramp back up to full usage. Yes, it's painful, but it's required if you want this issue fixed.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

But I DID mention flashing properly. You aren't the only one in the thread. Good comments otherwise.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Yes, but he's replying to my post with "I flashed properly". Which indicates he saw I said the word "flash" and didn't read past that, otherwise he wouldn't have replied about "flashing properly". I get that others were harping on procedure (which is good because apparently he was doing something wrong). But assuming everyone is just because they suggest you try it as part of, or in concert with, a different method will lead to people not helping you pretty quickly. :P

Hopefully the silence indicates he's trying a sync/reflash/sync and seeing how things go. I know what it pain it can be to try to track down a rouge file/app causing issues. I had a corrupted IM/sms database for about a week, and every time my phone got an IM it would spike the CPU for about 40 seconds. One mv command and a reboot fixed it entirely, but it took a week to figure out what was going wrong and how to fix it. :P

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I DO have this strange behaviour also from time to time. And I do not have any clue, which widget could force this.

But I get out of this with
sudo killall hildon-home
or sometimes need also a
sudo killall hildon-desktop (99% no reboot necessary)

But this may remove all Your widgets from desktop. Location will be stored, so it is possible to make a backup of home.plugins
cp /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins.save
Do this after adding a new widget as backup.
After this phenomena oocured, just restore with
cp /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins.save /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins
and all Your widgets are back in position.

Furthermore I have noticed the hildon-home (also hildon-desktop) to drain battery sometimes. Check with conky, top, htop. If hildon consumes about/over 5% Cpu for more than a few seconds, it is time to kill...

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

while this does temporily fix the problem it doesnt get the root cause which is the widgets (specifically ones coded in python IIRC). so restoring your widgets will just put you back at square one.

whats that they say about the definition of insanity? something about trying the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results :p

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

calendar home widget crashed mine

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

I'm just fedup! I just want a proper fix for this. In pr 1.2 everything was fine and smooth.

Re: Fedup with hildon-home crashing and lack of support
 

Same here. However, this happened only once to me and i've been using nicolai's widget for months. So i think it was probably a combination of things and not one widget in specific.

I have a lot of widgets running and hildon home crashing only happened once. I also had the widget disappearance syndrome but that stopped happening a while ago when i became a bit more careful with number of widgets running.