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nedim 2007-06-30 04:45

New release named "chinook"?
 
Go to:
http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com/certified/pool/

Check the creation dates!

Ninja 2007-06-30 05:06

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
We're getting closer...

Ninja

Seb Per 2007-06-30 06:11

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
we certainly can't get farther as time is passing by ;-)

torx 2007-06-30 07:00

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Now what is the hidden meaning behind chinook? Chinook? The heavy-lift helicopter with two rotor? Does it mean we're getting another "rotor"? Could it be Skype? The next rotor, with the previous one being Gtalk? Or could it be the sledgedog it is referring to? Does it mean they made it faster now? It must the Youtube then, yea? Oh my, they made it faster! No wait, it could be OpenGL! Finally a driver for powerVR? It can't be could it! No no, it must be both of them! With Skype! And real Rotors for better wifi AND Wimax reception! Maybe we're getting wireless USB host too? A miltary grade Laser stylus? Transformer-esque stand? OpenGL accelerated Skype with Youtube plugin, and wireless Rotors with lasers???

Oh my, i can't keep track of all these! :eek:

Seb Per 2007-06-30 07:06

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
stop! we can smell your brain frying ;-)

Xyzo 2007-06-30 07:16

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Hi guys!

I think names for all future releases can be found in this page:
http://ggweather.com/winds.html
Search for "mistral", "bora" and then finally "chinook" in it :D

Seb Per 2007-06-30 07:34

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
rigolo....funny.

so this is more maemo world than nokia world

torx 2007-06-30 07:35

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Mistral
Scirocco
Gregale
Bora
Chinoo
Diablo
Elephanta

Here's the code names of stable release.

Seb Per 2007-06-30 07:53

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
how did you come to this conclusion?

aflegg 2007-06-30 08:03

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
It's been announced when Maemo/Nokia were improving the split.

Note two things:

1) I'd be very disappointed with a new major release, given there's been no notification to developers. (But happy as an end-user)

2) Maemo releases are trying to be made separately to Nokia firmware releases.

My call: this is a placeholder, and has been since May.

MimUK 2007-06-30 08:50

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
That directory is empty,
However there are files in this one.

http://catalogue.tableteer.nokia.com...dists/chinook/

Seb Per 2007-06-30 10:12

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
a good explanation here

http://www.slideshare.net/gofull/58688/13

Seb Per 2007-06-30 10:21

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
sorry maybe the 1st link posted was not correct

http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/nokia...obile-context/

N770-Freak 2007-06-30 10:48

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seb Per (Post 55104)
sorry maybe the 1st link posted was not correct

http://www.slideshare.net/qgil/nokia...obile-context/

"...Bora and the 3.x series will be followed by maemo 4.0 Chinook..."

Do we have to expect a major update to maemo 4.0? I don't think so ;)
Next release could be Bora 3.2

...just my 2ct :D

Seb Per 2007-06-30 11:00

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by N770-Freak (Post 55105)
"...Bora and the 3.x series will be followed by maemo 4.0 Chinook..."

Do we have to expect a major update to maemo 4.0? I don't think so ;)
Next release could be Bora 3.2

...just my 2ct :D

maybe maybe
well, why don't you google search Chinook, Nokia, maemo, etc...?
see if a lot of traffic already.. ;-)

chilko 2007-06-30 12:00

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2012/maemohs4.png

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/2383/maemo2xy8.png

http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/9734/maemo3qq6.png

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4369/maemo4df1.png

BlogrQ 2007-06-30 12:03

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
I donno what to say! I'm getting annoyed, excited, happy, angry. Everything is mixed up whaha. Gimme the update!!!

BlogrQ 2007-06-30 12:04

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
That last pic makes me go a bit more wild...

BlogrQ 2007-06-30 12:10

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Btw, do you read the 2nd dot from the first pic:

Codenames dont reveal...

Yeah indeed, that's what we noticed.

PS My apologies for submitting 3 messages after each other. :)

Seb Per 2007-06-30 13:22

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
hello, Chilko,
thx for copying the content of the link above. it s much clearer this way. but, there quite more available on the net ;-)

Seb Per 2007-06-30 13:28

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BlogrQ (Post 55124)
I donno what to say! I'm getting annoyed, excited, happy, angry. Everything is mixed up whaha. Gimme the update!!!

round the corner...

well, the next update. maybe not everything you can see above.

BlogrQ 2007-06-30 13:45

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Ok, i take your word! :)

play2win 2007-06-30 14:49

skype update a winner see link
 
http://blogs.zdnet.com/ip-telephony/?p=1936

this will be great when available

BlogrQ 2007-06-30 15:37

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
<q>Although I wish it had a camera, the N800 is a portable device with many of the features of the iPhone. Camera, multimedia, email, etc. The cost is $399.99, and you know, Skype or Gizmo (which the tablet-like device is already compatible with) is usually cheaper than Wi-Fi.</q>

Uhh... First he makes a mistake in the camera-part and now "Skype or Gizmo is usually cheaper than WiFi" ??? Yeah, a very serious journalist.

Milhouse 2007-06-30 15:45

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Yeah, I'm not really sure what point he's trying to make about "cheaper than WiFi" but at least it's positive overall! :)

Mark S 2007-06-30 16:35

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
So the o/s's are all wind.

Now that explains the stink I smell whenever the o/s "breaks"

Texrat 2007-06-30 16:45

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by torx (Post 55072)
Now what is the hidden meaning behind chinook? Chinook? The heavy-lift helicopter with two rotor? Does it mean we're getting another "rotor"? Could it be Skype? The next rotor, with the previous one being Gtalk? Or could it be the sledgedog it is referring to? Does it mean they made it faster now? It must the Youtube then, yea? Oh my, they made it faster! No wait, it could be OpenGL! Finally a driver for powerVR? It can't be could it! No no, it must be both of them! With Skype! And real Rotors for better wifi AND Wimax reception! Maybe we're getting wireless USB host too? A miltary grade Laser stylus? Transformer-esque stand? OpenGL accelerated Skype with Youtube plugin, and wireless Rotors with lasers???

Oh my, i can't keep track of all these! :eek:

The release names are all appellations for wind. Dunno the relevance. ;)

EDIT: lol Mark. Beat me too it.

Seb Per 2007-06-30 16:58

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 55169)
The release names are all appellations for wind. Dunno the relevance. ;)

EDIT: lol Mark. Beat me too it.

kudos to Laurent, this morning, who noticed the wind analogy. see above in this thread. Diablo sounds cool, but Elephanta?

maxilogan 2007-06-30 21:09

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
are they going to break the app compatibility *again*?!

Seb Per 2007-06-30 21:21

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
i truly dont know. i read a lot of concern over back compatibility.

YoDude 2007-06-30 22:54

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seb Per (Post 55230)
i truly dont know. i read a lot of concern over back compatibility.


Me too. API backwards compatability starting with 'Diablo'...

I'm thinkin' Diablo will be on new hardware leaving the N800 as a another "hacker's device".

aflegg 2007-07-01 14:20

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Seb Per (Post 55135)
thx for copying the content of the link above. it s much clearer this way. but, there quite more available on the net ;-)

Really? Where? If it's stuff on the web, point to it rather than just being cryptic. Users who don't follow maemo-developers, IRC etc. are getting over-excited for no good reason - hell, I'm a developer and there's only a few things slightly exciting in those slides from a developer point of view, and *nothing* from an end-user point of view.

As you point out later, this next update (assuming there is one to support Skype) won't be chinook: there've been no early releases to developers which is *specifically* mentioned on the slides, due to the API incompatibility with moving up to a newer Gtk.

Cheers,

Andrew

chilko 2007-07-01 14:43

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 55354)
Really? Where? If it's stuff on the web, point to it rather than just being cryptic.


these few slides i've posted are from this presentation

Seb Per 2007-07-01 14:47

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 55354)
Really? Where? If it's stuff on the web, point to it rather than just being cryptic. Users who don't follow maemo-developers, IRC etc. are getting over-excited for no good reason - hell, I'm a developer and there's only a few things slightly exciting in those slides from a developer point of view, and *nothing* from an end-user point of view.

As you point out later, this next update (assuming there is one to support Skype) won't be chinook: there've been no early releases to developers which is *specifically* mentioned on the slides, due to the API incompatibility with moving up to a newer Gtk.

Cheers,

Andrew

Andrew,

I don't wish to be cryptic. It s just that I don't dare to quote things and particularlary quite technical threads that are - to my surprise - hanging out on the net. Also you re appearing there as a developper :-) however not in the most concrete ones, be assured.

For 2 reasons
- I don't think whether it s wise to point or copy paste this kind of information
- my technical knowledge is crappier than crap. So I limit myself to be just indicative. As you point out, I can see the community is excited, so don't want to add oil on the fire but rather between the cogs.

I think I posted a few days ago a message where I clearly I indicated how to find information I m relating to: google then relevant keywords. as easy as that.

It is true that end users don't gain anything from this kind of information. But terms and mythological names (Bora, Chinook, for example) create a fuzzy environment that generate mysticism that everyone is prone to absorb and project out.

Cheers

Seb

aflegg 2007-07-01 16:34

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chilko (Post 55359)
these few slides i've posted are from this presentation

Yes, I know. I've seen it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seb Per (Post 55361)
For 2 reasons
- I don't think whether it s wise to point or copy paste this kind of information

If it's on the web, it's discussable ;-)

It just seems like a few people here are being cryptic about the fact that Chinook will be Maemo 4.0; will use the Hildon Desktop rather than the Hildon Application Framework; that the Hildon Desktop will allow home plugins to be written in Python and that Nokia developers are working on it *right now*; they're working on moving it upstream for use with Ubuntu Mobile etc.; that it can be seen in development in Sardine and so on.

None of these changes in and of themselves should be particularly exciting to end-users, yet the mysticism around the future of Maemo is whipping them up into a frenzy.

Nokia are starting to be more open about Maemo's direction and roadmap, and finally trying to separate themselves out. There's no need to be cryptic, it's all public!

This is also how we can be relatively sure there won't be massive UI overhauls in the next firmware: Hildon is the most open source bit of the IT OSes.

Now, sharing information about future Nokia Maemo-based devices, or future N800 IT OS releases and their functionality (specifically in the non-open bits), *that*'s news.

Cheers,

Andrew

Seb Per 2007-07-01 16:52

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 55386)
Now, sharing information about future Nokia Maemo-based devices, or future N800 IT OS releases and their functionality (specifically in the non-open bits), *that*'s news.

Cheers,

Andrew

Touché. I do agree. Not my fault if leaks do appear though.

Texrat 2007-07-01 17:48

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Andrew, awesome post.

Seb Per 2007-07-01 18:09

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
It remains that there is more information around (Internet or outside) that what is officially available.

Building hypotheses does not help, and perhaps create too much trouble.

Perhaps we have to live with that, and just be patient ...

However I ll take as a positive sign of the hope there is about the new release.

Bernard 2007-07-01 18:52

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aflegg (Post 55386)

It just seems like a few people here are being cryptic about the fact that Chinook will be Maemo 4.0; will use the Hildon Desktop rather than the Hildon Application Framework; that the Hildon Desktop will allow home plugins to be written in Python and that Nokia developers are working on it *right now*; they're working on moving it upstream for use with Ubuntu Mobile etc.; that it can be seen in development in Sardine and so on.

None of these changes in and of themselves should be particularly exciting to end-users, yet the mysticism around the future of Maemo is whipping them up into a frenzy.

So in the next firmware I will be able to make a home applet using python code? that's getting me VERY excited!
I say demonstration videos of this in Sardine on the net, and I couldn't wait to be able to do that for my own tablet. (without having to install all kinds of unstable beta code form Sardine).
I consider myself an end-user and not a developper, I'm not a programmer, but I can write python scripts that do very cool things (on PC, IT and S60). It is very easy, so I think a lot of end-users will be able to start making usefull simple home applets (very much like widgets, but in Python).
Right now I have to start python scripts using a launcher applet, making my own home applets would be VERY cool.

Seb Per 2007-07-01 19:00

Re: New release named "chinook"?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bernard (Post 55417)
So in the next firmware I will be able to make a home applet using python code? that's getting me VERY excited!
I say demonstration videos of this in Sardine on the net, and I couldn't wait to be able to do that for my own tablet. (without having to install all kinds of unstable beta code form Sardine).
I consider myself an end-user and not a developper, I'm not a programmer, but I can write python scripts that do very cool things (on PC, IT and S60). It is very easy, so I think a lot of end-users will be able to start making usefull simple home applets (very much like widgets, but in Python).
Right now I have to start python scripts using a launcher applet, making my own home applets would be VERY cool.

:-)
Now, what did I write? Bernard, please keep the excitement alive.

Sometimes enthusiastic believers are needed.
But not to start thinking that Bora, Chinook or Diablo will be the semi gods of our end-user lives

by the way: enthusiasm means "with the god within" in Ancient Greek.


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