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shardul 2011-03-12 13:17

How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
You have seen the topic of my thread, I just want to install wine and how to use it.

scyzor 2011-03-12 13:20

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it.
 
You can't. Wine is only for x86 or x86_64 (obviously). It doesn't emulate the applications, so it can only run on hardware that can execute the applications.

jstokes 2011-03-12 13:21

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it.
 
Hint: When asking a question (even one that you expect no reply to), a question mark (this: ?. On a standard QWERTY keyboard, the button for is to the left of the large shift key on the right. It's activated by holding the shift key and pressing said button) is used to denote the end of the sentence, not a fullstop.

MINKIN2 2011-03-12 13:26

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it.
 
The only way to run wine on the N900 is to rum it on QMEU(?), this has been tried and tested as proof of concept, but is was RREEAAALLYY slow. The videos on youtube showed that even opening up MS NotePad was a painfully slow experience.

Wine will hang in general, and any other application to run on top of that will be practically unusable

scyzor 2011-03-12 13:28

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jstokes (Post 966295)
Hint: When asking a question (even one that you expect no reply to), a question mark (this: ?. On a standard QWERTY keyboard, the button for is to the left of the large shift key on the right. It's activated by holding the shift key and pressing said button) is used to denote the end of the sentence, not a fullstop.

He phrased the question as a statement correctly, even though he missed a 'know'.

jstokes 2011-03-12 13:30

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scyzor (Post 966298)
He phrased the question as a statement correctly, even though he missed a 'know'.

I realised it was a statement after posting, but I still left my post there because it's rather irritating to see topics that look like HOWTOs but in reality are filled with ****

shardul 2011-03-12 13:34

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
But wine is in the extra-devel

retsaw 2011-03-12 13:49

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shardul (Post 966302)
But wine is in the extra-devel

You shouldn't be going into devel unless you know what you are doing. If you don't know what to do with Wine in extras-devel then you probably don't need it. And this has been discussed before, if you want to know more do a search and read through the previous threads about Wine.

Crogge 2011-03-12 14:33

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
I saw on Youtube videos which show that Wine is indeed working on the N900.

clasificado 2011-03-12 15:58

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
wine is on extras-devel, but is almost useless without a qemu layer, thats the only-for-experts part that doesnt work well, and wine is useless (for mortals) without qemu

shardul 2011-03-12 16:43

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
I want to know that if we use ubuntu on n900, then also wine doesn't work. Just asking

clasificado 2011-03-12 23:08

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
@shardul wine works! what doesnt work out-of-the-box is qemu+wine. ive read someone running qemu+wine for statically linked libraries, but things are not so easy for dinamically linked ones

shardul 2011-03-13 05:24

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
I have seen the video on youtube also.Running wine on n900,Thats why i ask.

glabifrons 2011-03-13 09:42

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
The package description sums it up pretty well.

Quote:

Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library)

Wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows applications on Linux.
This version of wine is built for the ARM cpu and can NOT run i386 native Windows
applications. Only ported Windows applications compiled for ARM will work.
Please see http://maemo.org/packages/view/wine/

pagdam 2011-03-13 18:12

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by scyzor (Post 966294)
You can't. Wine is only for x86 or x86_64 (obviously). It doesn't emulate the applications, so it can only run on hardware that can execute the applications.




Oh yes you can! Install from extras-devel repo :cool:

pagdam 2011-03-13 18:14

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it.
 
extras-devel repo has wine

scyzor 2011-03-13 18:22

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pagdam (Post 966953)
Oh yes you can! Install from extras-devel repo :cool:

Read what's said. It only runs windows apps coupled with qemu (which is very slow and impractical). Though honestly at the time of my post I didn't know you could use qemu for that :D

dave1010 2011-03-13 21:59

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
Are there any Windows programs that have been (or can easily be) ported to ARM but not Linux (due to the difference in APIs)? If so then this could be useful. I can't think of any off the top of my head.

shardul 2011-03-14 08:09

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
Thats mean wine could work on n900

Captwheeto 2011-03-14 09:09

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shardul (Post 967342)
Thats mean wine could work on n900

EUGH. Yes. "could". You have to account for the overhead of creating an x86 overhead for your apps plus the memory needed to run them. The n900 nor any other mobile device will be able to do this at this moment in time.

Wine will work. But if you intend to run x86 windows programs then that's something different.

shardul 2011-03-14 09:42

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
I have a question, if we try to install ubuntu then install wine in it,Then we might get it run just ike in real desktop

Captwheeto 2011-03-14 10:09

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
We already can install ubuntu, just use the search feature. And that is not how architectures work. Are you trolling or 3/4's stupid.

SubCore 2011-03-14 10:12

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shardul (Post 967410)
I have a question, if we try to install ubuntu then install wine in it,Then we might get it run just ike in real desktop

No.

Desktop CPU = x86
N900 CPU = ARM

they are not compatible. that's why you can't just take desktop programs and run them in wine on the N900, even if wine itself runs.

that's what you'd need qemu for. and it runs too slow to be of any use.

JadeH 2011-03-20 17:05

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
can wine in extras-devel run Windows CE applications (a lot of PDAs used ARM cpus and ran WinCE)?

TiagoTiago 2011-03-20 17:46

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
Is qemu on the N900 already running the fastest it can, or would there be somthing to be done that could improve the performance? (dunno, some copiler flag, adding libraries for wrapping audio and video calls to use the hardware acceleration avaiable on the N900 etc, dunno really...)

Marshall Banana 2011-03-20 21:06

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
Here's a link to the thread from damion who compiled qemu-i386 for the n900 and created a working x86-chroot with wine:
x86-wine on n900 with qemu
I think it was damion who made that youtube videos of notepad and solitair running on the n900.

Quote:

Is qemu on the N900 already running the fastest it can, or would there be somthing to be done that could improve the performance?
Not sure if damion compiled qemu with neon optimizations but performance will allways be limited because you have to emulate a x86-cpu on ARM.

Qemu-i386 is usefull to run some small linux-x86 binaries on the n900, i. e. console apps without much library dependecies.
If you want to run win32-binaries you need a x86 chroot environment with a working wine installation. If you are lucky or smart you will get it to work but it won't be fast enough to run full desktop applications.

bertolt 2011-06-18 05:31

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
hi, wanted to run palringo on my N900. there is a download file for linux and states it will run on 'wine'. anybody tried this? thanks.

marmistrz 2011-06-28 14:40

Re: How to install Wine on n900 and how to use it ?
 
And maybe could I decompile from x86 and recompile for ARM?


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