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XxJacobxX 2011-03-17 11:21

Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
We have nVidia's Tegra, TI OMAP 4xxx, Qualcomm, Orion, Exynos, Apple A5, ST Ericsson U8500. These all look and sound great, but which is the finest of them? 2011 is the year of revolution indeed. BTW I have something that is unclear to me, how come, for example, a device that uses an ARM Cortex-A9 dual core processor has a Tegra 2 processor? Does it have two processors (Arm Cortex-A9 + Tegra 2)?

retsaw 2011-03-17 11:37

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XxJacobxX (Post 969579)
how come, for example, a device that uses an ARM Cortex-A9 dual core processor has a Tegra 2 processor? Does it have two processors (Arm Cortex-A9 + Tegra 2)?

Tegra 2 isn't a processor is is a chipset, it uses the Cortex A9 for the CPUs and it pairs them with a low-power nVidia GPU.

I don't know which is best, you'll have to wait until someone has done benchmarks which you can compare. I've seen iPad2 vs Motorala Xoom (which uses Tegra2) benchmarks, the iPad2 comes quite a way ahead of the Xoom in GPU performance.

Rob1n 2011-03-17 11:39

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XxJacobxX (Post 969579)
We have nVidia's Tegra, TI OMAP 4xxx, Qualcomm, Orion, Exynos, Apple A5, SE U9. These all look and sound great, but which is the finest of them? 2011 is the year of revolution indeed. BTW I have something that is unclear to me, how come, for example, a device that uses an ARM Cortex-A9 dual core processor has a Tegra 2 processor? Does it have two processors (Arm Cortex-A9 + Tegra 2)?

The ARM Cortex-A9 is a reference processor - ARM don't actually manufacture anything, they just do the core design work. Different manufacturers (nVidia, TI, Apple, etc) then license these designs, add on some of their own stuff, and make the chips. The Tegra2, Apple A5 and TI OMAP4 are all A9 based. Qualcomm, I think, use their own design (though still using the ARM instruction set for compatibility reasons). Not sure about the others - Wikipedia will probably tell you more though.

XxJacobxX 2011-03-17 11:44

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Thanks a lot for the valuable information. Aaaaaah it sure feels good when clearing up dust in my brain.

Capt'n Corrupt 2011-03-17 11:54

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by retsaw (Post 969591)
Tegra 2 isn't a processor is is a chipset, it uses the Cortex A9 for the CPUs and it pairs them with a low-power nVidia GPU.

I don't know which is best, you'll have to wait until someone has done benchmarks which you can compare. I've seen iPad2 vs Motorala Xoom (which uses Tegra2) benchmarks, the iPad2 comes quite a way ahead of the Xoom in GPU performance.

Tegra 2 isn't a chipset, it's a SoC (System on a Chip). ;)

AFAIK, the GeForce ULP is part of the IC.

anders_gud 2011-03-17 12:10

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XxJacobxX (Post 969579)
We have nVidia's Tegra, TI OMAP 4xxx, Qualcomm, Orion, Exynos, Apple A5, SE U9. These all look and sound great, but which is the finest of them? 2011 is the year of revolution indeed. BTW I have something that is unclear to me, how come, for example, a device that uses an ARM Cortex-A9 dual core processor has a Tegra 2 processor? Does it have two processors (Arm Cortex-A9 + Tegra 2)?

You forgot:
* French fries, called "chips" in the UK and Commonwealth countries
* Potato chips (in North America), a snack food made from potatoes, known as crisps in many Commonwealth countries
* Tortilla chips, a snack food made from corn tortillas
* Corn chips a snack food made from corn
* Chocolate chip, small chunks of chocolate, used for making chocolate-chip cookies, among other things
* Banana chips, deep fried or dried slices of banana
;-)

Capt'n Corrupt 2011-03-17 12:32

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Something interesting worth consideration:

As chip fabrication technology improves and production ramps up, I wonder how many facilities will be included on the IC. For example, it may be possible in future to have an SoC specifically for a particular handset, containing all of the facilities for touch-sensing, driving the display, environment sensing, etc!

This would not only shrink the package incredibly, it would lower power consumption, lower costs, simplify development, and lower time to market. The chip specification would be a diagram, with portions of the IC purchased from various companies (as it is now).

But I believe it would have another larger benefit: it would open the door for smaller companies to get in on the action, both on the design and product side. In short, the big players may find themselves in a sea of smaller ones, which could mean far more diversity for the consumer, and interesting new technologies!

Very exciting times ahead.

atilla 2011-03-17 15:23

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
orion and exynos are the same chipsets based on a cortex a9 cpu.
samsung changed the name from orion to exynos

lma 2011-03-17 16:56

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XxJacobxX (Post 969579)
but which is the finest of them?

How long is a piece of string? Which is the "finest" desktop/laptop/server CPU? No one can answer that question if you don't specify your criteria.

vi_ 2011-03-17 16:59

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Capt'n Corrupt (Post 969612)
Something interesting worth consideration:

As chip fabrication technology improves and production ramps up, I wonder how many facilities will be included on the IC. For example, it may be possible in future to have an SoC specifically for a particular handset, containing all of the facilities for touch-sensing, driving the display, environment sensing, etc!

This would not only shrink the package incredibly, it would lower power consumption, lower costs, simplify development, and lower time to market. The chip specification would be a diagram, with portions of the IC purchased from various companies (as it is now).

But I believe it would have another larger benefit: it would open the door for smaller companies to get in on the action, both on the design and product side. In short, the big players may find themselves in a sea of smaller ones, which could mean far more diversity for the consumer, and interesting new technologies!

Very exciting times ahead.

check out cypress PSOCs...

XxJacobxX 2011-03-17 17:00

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 969753)
How long is a piece of string? Which is the "finest" desktop/laptop/server CPU? No one can answer that question if you don't specify your criteria.

Which is the fastest, most powerful in graphical processing? I don't care for battery usage though.

funkmunk 2011-03-17 17:04

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
On paper atleast the ST-Ericsson one seems like the most powerful of the lot....

NOMIOMI 2011-03-17 17:22

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
just click on this link and u will find the information about the which one is best r not

http://androidandme.com/2011/03/news...-with-tegra-2/

ammyt 2011-03-17 17:28

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
The ST Ericsson kicks as*es, it really seems a tough challenge, better than the Tegra according to the spec sheets.

funkmunk 2011-03-17 17:34

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
@ ammyt

Totally agree with u bro but some still say the Mali 400 GPU is not that great compared to the PowerVR..Is that true? Can someone clarify this?

ammyt 2011-03-17 17:52

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by funkmunk (Post 969778)
@ ammyt

Totally agree with u bro but some still say the Mali 400 GPU is not that great compared to the PowerVR..Is that true? Can someone clarify this?

I think yes, and I agree too. But the quad-core GPU is apealing shmexy to me and many users.
The PowerVR SGX543 is claimed to be more powerful x20? times to the mali 400.

ammyt 2011-03-17 17:57

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
I was wondering this today too. In all probability the iPhone 5 will be running the same CPU/GPU as the iPad 2, which will probably be the dual core A5 chip with a PowerVR SGX543 (perhaps in dual configuration). Last year the Samsung used the same chip as the iPhone 4 but a PowerVR SGX540 instead of the iPhone 4's SGX535 so it was a bit more powerful.

This year it's a bit different since Samsung has decided to go with the ARM Mali (in some sort of multicore setup) which no one has any experience with really. Maybe apple has bought so much of samsung's chip that it left none for samsung themselves to actually use in their galaxy 2 lol.

ammyt 2011-03-17 18:00

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4177/s...00-benchmarked
Looks that the Lg Optimus 2x wins with its Tegra II and Gingerbread.
I'm back from where I came, lol.
At first I thought that the Tegra II rules, then the Mali 400 jumped up with its quad core innovation so I followed it, then I remembered the good old SGX543, the monster, but then this test brought me back to thinking that the Tegra II wins.

lma 2011-03-17 18:01

Re: Too much Chips to consider, which is the best?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XxJacobxX (Post 969757)
Which is the fastest, most powerful in graphical processing? I don't care for battery usage though.

Given those requirements, I'd be looking at AMD.

ammyt 2011-03-17 18:02

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
So the battle is settled now as the following:
PowerVR SGX543 VS. nVidia Tegra II
The winner is the best. Period.

funkmunk 2011-03-17 18:07

Re: Too much Chipsets to consider, which is the best?
 
Alright maybe the Mali-400 maybe underpowered but what about the Mali-T604??

That seems to have 5X the power of the current 400's....


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