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Jedibeeftrix 2011-03-30 12:00

Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Yes we get it; Nokia didn't believe it could evolve Meego fast enough for it to become one of the big-three consumer ecosystems alongside IOS and android.

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/20...-qt-and-meego/

They may be right, they may be wrong, but for now Meego returns to being a 'project' rather than a platform........... so presumably there is no commercial imperative to create a lead Meego device that matches consumer expectations of what a next-gen smartphone should look like?

In which case; can we have our NIT's back please Nokia?

In which case i'd really quite like:
5inch 960x540 qHD screen
dual-core A9 SoC
phone functionality like the Dell Streak
you can even throw a keyboard in there

How about it Nokia?

blipnl 2011-03-30 12:17

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Nokia does not care, nor do Nokia employees read maemo.org, apart from a few n900 enthousiasts. I appreciate your effort, but this is not going to work.

MeeGo will be in a Nokia device this year, or at least they strive, bu it will be a undersupported project. You might consider other hardware manufacturors to make hardware capable of running MeeGo like Intel, and possibly others as well.

abill_uk 2011-03-30 12:29

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
This forum is Nokia now so i guess Nokia will indeed see it, the company that brought out the N900 has failed to exsist as it is now called Windows in a phone !.

GigaByte 2011-03-30 12:39

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 978471)
This forum is Nokia now so i guess Nokia will indeed see it, the company that brought out the N900 has failed to exsist as it is now called Windows in a phone !.

If you happened to read a little bit my dear, NOKIA doesn't give a shi*t about TMO.

abill_uk 2011-03-30 12:46

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GigaByte (Post 978476)
If you happened to read a little bit my dear, NOKIA doesn't give a shi*t about TMO.

You totally missed the point dear.

Den in USA 2011-03-30 13:05

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
[QUOTE=Jedibeeftrix;978455]Yes we get it; Nokia didn't believe it could evolve Meego fast enough for it to become one of the big-three consumer ecosystems alongside IOS and android.

http://jedibeeftrix.wordpress.com/20...-qt-and-meego/

They may be right, they may be wrong, but for now Meego returns to being a 'project' rather than a platform........... so presumably there is no commercial imperative to create a lead Meego device that matches consumer expectations of what a next-gen smartphone should look like?

In which case; can we have our NIT's back please Nokia?

In which case i'd really quite like:
5inch 960x540 qHD screen
dual-core A9 SoC
phone functionality like the Dell Streak
you can even throw a keyboard in there

How about it Nokia?[/QUOT

Bring back the NIT! Absolutely a 5 inch screen and Skype with video.

gerbick 2011-03-30 14:11

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
If a MeeGo based NIT comes out, it probably will not be by Nokia.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-03-30 14:25

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
why not?

a 'project' can produce quirky devices to test concepts just as Nokia Internet Tablets have always done.

maxppc 2011-03-30 14:34

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Loving my N900 and the only thing I'm really missing is the screen size so 5inch like said in the first post would be all I ask!
In fact I'm looking for Dell Streak but it runs Android and it's not really free as Maemo/Meego.
Beside philosophical reason I really like to run Debian applications chrooted, not with VNC like Android!

gerbick 2011-03-30 14:40

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 978538)
why not?

a 'project' can produce quirky devices to test concepts just as Nokia Internet Tablets have always done.

Mind you, I'm only stating my personal opinion based on what's going on at Nokia now.

If Nokia comes out with anything (pure) MeeGo based, after their switch to Microsoft Windows Phone 7 as their "flagship" OS, who would trust it? I wouldn't... they might change their mind yet again without explanation.

And by now, after the 770, N800, N810, and N900 having basically been treated as nothing more than pet projects with the support for the OS, devices being (understandably) smaller than Nokia's other offerings, it's not another pet project from Nokia I'm after.

It's either going to be corporate backed and supported fully or released fully open source with zero closed bits. No in-between for me because I had a N810 with closed bits that never got worked around - not to mention a GPS product where "life membership" was relegated to 2 years - and closed bits on the N900 that will invariably cause problems down the line.

As it stands... a MeeGo device would be better off in the hands of Intel. They've at least stayed behind the product when Nokia didn't. That unwavering support in MeeGo is enough to make me want to buy from anybody else but Nokia at this moment.

*Note: This doesn't mean that people within Nokia aren't supporting MeeGo. Not at all. I know there's quite a few dedicated folks within Nokia towards MeeGo. However, the executives are responsible for the current series of decisions and that's where I'll kindly place the blame and point my vitriol towards.

retsaw 2011-03-30 15:51

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 978530)
If a MeeGo based NIT comes out, it probably will not be by Nokia.

Actually if a Meego based NIT comes out it will be by Nokia, otherwise it wouldn't be a NIT (Nokia Internet Tablet) would it? ;) </pedantry>

LTman 2011-03-30 16:48

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Yeah it would probably be a IIT (Intel Internet Tablet)

TheLongshot 2011-03-30 17:44

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 978551)
If Nokia comes out with anything (pure) MeeGo based, after their switch to Microsoft Windows Phone 7 as their "flagship" OS, who would trust it? I wouldn't... they might change their mind yet again without explanation.

Except that Windows Phone 7 isn't a tablet OS, and it sounds like there is no plans to make it a tablet OS.

Quote:

And by now, after the 770, N800, N810, and N900 having basically been treated as nothing more than pet projects with the support for the OS, devices being (understandably) smaller than Nokia's other offerings, it's not another pet project from Nokia I'm after.

It's either going to be corporate backed and supported fully or released fully open source with zero closed bits. No in-between for me because I had a N810 with closed bits that never got worked around - not to mention a GPS product where "life membership" was relegated to 2 years - and closed bits on the N900 that will invariably cause problems down the line.
I can understand that perspective, tho given the life cycle in the market, many are changing devices anyways. I guess when someone else actually does offer what Nokia did offer, we are sticking around. Like you stick around despite your issues with Nokia.

Quote:

As it stands... a MeeGo device would be better off in the hands of Intel. They've at least stayed behind the product when Nokia didn't. That unwavering support in MeeGo is enough to make me want to buy from anybody else but Nokia at this moment.
Fortunately, the open source nature of MeeGo and the overall divorce from corporate influence might actually get you want you want: a device that isn't completely dependent on the whims of a single corporation. Course, we are still a long way from that goal.

That being said, I still think MeeGo's biggest potential is in the tablet market, which we have yet to see the best from.

gerbick 2011-03-30 19:59

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Microsoft is already looking at the tablet market and expanding Windows Phone OS to the tablet market - perhaps with Windows Phone 8.

Pure speculation, but they're not ignoring that sector. The personally designed and shown off version of a possible form factor Windows Phone 7 tablet by that designer (Umang Dokey) was seen and liked by Microsoft.

Don't forget that Microsoft showed off Origami before the iPad. So Microsoft in the tablet market isn't that much of a long shot.

Oh, and since you stated it... I stuck around because of Maemo. Not Nokia.

Benson 2011-03-31 06:42

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 978455)
In which case; can we have our NIT's back please Nokia?

In which case i'd really quite like:
5inch 960x540 qHD screen
dual-core A9 SoC
phone functionality like the Dell Streak
you can even throw a keyboard in there

How about it Nokia?

Why do you want such coarse pixels? That's worse than even the 770/N800/N810 had; at a time when the competition is finally catching up in PPI, it's no time for Nokia to go two steps backwards.

IMO it should be 1280x800 5.6" (like the screen in my Fujitsu U820, only this would be transflective -- a screen to kill for!), but if you don't want to go over 5" at least push for 1024x600!

Otherwise -- yes, I'd definitely go for a larger (and higher resolution) non-phone tablet. Would prefer it has built-in 3G/4G that actually works with a reasonable provider where I live, but it looks like AT&T took that off the table.:mad:

But I can't really see any reason to suspect that Nokia will make thay device at all, let alone before anyone other MeeGo device makers do.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-03-31 09:51

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
i wouldn't object to 1024x600, qHD is merely a minimum acceptable resolution of a tablet.

but 5" qHD works for the NGP, so its good enough for me.

abill_uk 2011-03-31 10:11

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Nokia will indeed bring out MeeGo on a handset that will NOT be a tablet you can guarentee that on both counts BUT like gerbick has stated it will take a hell of a lot of trust to gain any confidence in Nokia from here on after what they have done to us with the N900.

I personally if i was head of development, would not allow Nokia to write another OS, i would put that in the hands of Intel or in this case also Microsoft who both have far better track record of writing OS software, Nokia have not got what it takes to develop software simple as that.

Nokia i think still need to realise the damage they have done to their customers past, present and future as i still think they don't fully realise the amount of people thay have actually upset.

Rebski 2011-04-11 16:32

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
Quote:

i still think they don't fully realise the amount of people thay have actually upset.
Killer quote. I just had to repeat it. Consider me one of the 'burned'.

geneven 2011-05-23 00:44

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
It appears that tablet phones are being priced into oblivion by excessive monthly fees, so this has created a niche for us cost-sensitive common people. I also want a non-phone tablet like my N800, but updated and maybe larger. If Nokia didn't have its head wherever Microsoft lives, it would see that it has a brilliant chance here.

Jedibeeftrix 2011-05-23 14:20

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
i will buy the consumer harmattan device when it arrives, but only because there is no sign of a larger phone-enabled NIT.

Verythrax 2011-05-23 14:34

Re: Now that Nokia has ditched MeeGo as a smartphone ecosystem, can we have our NIT's back?
 
I think there will be no NITs in the future, since Nokia is streamlçining their operations and focusing in less stuff.

So, if something happens will be:

- Windows tablet*
- MeeGo tablet* (maybe, as disrupting device)

* In traditional, iPad sense.


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