should people who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

i'm talking about this kind of behaviour

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...542#post980542 (scroll down to the end)

anonymous trolling sucks the energy out of projects

giving trolls the power of anonymity?

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I've mentioned that to reggie before, I don't know if they are willing to do something about it though.. :s

But yeah, whoever is tag trolling should really stop as it really isn't funny anymore..

EDIT: Look in this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71246

EDIT2: I think it would be nice to have a "Report Tags" at the bottom (where the tagging area is at)..

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

i'm all for freedom of speech, but a system that's not fair that gives a**holes an anonymous trolling 'advantage' just because they've contributed 300 comments of txt speech needs to be changed. either remove tags completely, or as you suggested, a 'report tag' feature, or the best solution a link on the tag that shows you who posted it.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Those people aren't anonymous. The forum mods/admins know who left what tag at all times.

Now, I think honestly, and this is a bit of a stretch... that this might be misconstrued as a limit of the freedom of speech. And that's a slippery slope.

Not that I agree with the tag usage nor the perceived anonymity; however it's not anonymous at all. The mods/admins have allowed it to continue because they can be removed if found offensive and/or reported.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Just get rid of them. It's so spammed out, the tag cloud is wothless

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

bag it tag it

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

i would hope the forum admins have more access than the rest of us. however tag trolls cause bad feeling amongst the other 99.9999999999% of the community because they are anonymous to everyone other than a moderator. let them have free speech in tags if that's the way they need to express themselves, just let the rest of us know who's doing the talking just like in normal forum posts.

i'm no longer contributing to getting gnash working as a protest.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I think it should be best if only I could add tags.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I generally don't read the tags. That seems pretty effective.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I've never felt the need yet to tag a thread.
Whilst some here (as in any environment) will bemoan the loss of their "right to free speech", some of the junk being put on tags makes me wonder if the mods appreciate that "moderating" should include all user contributed content, not just the stuff posted by our usual array of in-house trolls......

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

ha! ha! now we've got a tag on this thread by another anonymous genius saying 'poor leetnoob', as if to underline what i've been saying.

my last contribution to this community a few days ago was getting hardware video acceleration video playback working in easy debian.

i'm now saying adios completely, and any other further breakthroughs like getting video playback working higher than
864 x 648 i'll doubt i'll be sharing.

and that folks is the power of tags.

goodbye.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Don't get me wrong.
Sometimes I found these tags amusing, sort of funny. After all its just Tags.:rolleyes: I prefer Power Search. There's no need for taking them personal.

But on the other hand expressing them (trolls) they are d**kheads, just opens the door for doing what they do best. (trolling) ;)

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

mate. I made a comment on another thread.
"smartphone != smart people"
It's unfortunate that those with the most to say, often have the least worth saying.
And those of us who should be saying thanks to the wonderful contributors in this community, don't do it enough.
there's clowns in every circus. Don't let their childish behaviour undermine the rest of the good this forum does for Maemo.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

As said above, admins know who made tags. If the tag violates the code of conduct, then they can take action. If you want to report it, just report the first post in the thread with a message indicating that the problem is with the tags.

If you're against "useless" tags, then you may as well ban "useless" posts too. You're also going to have to define what "useless" means. Humour (or bad attempts of it) are not against the code of conduct IIRC.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I would rather make it so that people who can post tags can also remove all tags - not just their own. This would create a large degree of social enforcement regarding tags. Also, re: freedom of speech - that argument has the same validity as saying all posts should be completely uncensored, un-moderated, and so forth. That's freedom of speech too - but freedom of speech is A: A very western-world notion - it's barely recognized as a right in most nations, and even in places where it is, such as the USA, it's got nothing to do with forums. The US Government is obliged to its citizens not to infringe on their right to expression so long as it doesn't in turn infringe on or severely endanger the rights of others. There's no such dictum on the internet - you can argue for it on ethical grounds, but it's not hard to put counter arguments to that - if you want to be a dick, that right is your so long as you don't cause harm or impinge on what other people are trying to do - which in the case of talk.maemo.org is trying to have discussion about internet tablets/smartphones, computery things, and the like, with a focus on Linux derived Maemo OS. Banal troll lolz is not at all condusive to that, in tags any more than in posts.

I also reject the notion that there's no anonymity in admins/mods being able to see the tags. The fact that there's no transparency from user to mod level means that we have no way of knowing whether the moderators are doing their jobs or if they're part of the people getting cheap lolz from tag trolling.

This is further worsened by the fact that if I recall correctly there's a running "points" count for against-the-rules behavior in the entire talk.maemo.org forum for each account - which of course us users can't see.

On my end, I am publicly happy to admit, as of a day or two ago I decided to start putting "trolling tags" and "tag trolling" (haven't settled on one or the other yet) as a tag on which I find other tags to be irrelevant and anal/dickish at the same time. Irrelevant humor I don't care about, and anal commentary that's actually indicative of the thread content I sometimes understand, but both at once is bs. For instance, at the time of this writing, the tags are "offemsive tags" (looks like someone made a typo) and "this is a tag". I would not tag that as trolling tags because, well, the first actually covers the topic, the second seems to be a joking remark of some sort, but it's not intentionally aiming to be dicking (it could also be trying to be informative, like "this thing you're reading now is what we're talking about". Not sure about that interpretation being likely, but it's feasible).*

Since the forum system doesn't give me any way of expressing discontent with BS tags (beyond directly PMing moderators/admins, which I haven't tried but I would be happy to if that's what the forum staff actually want done and it would get useful results), there's no way to clean up tags from the user end, and there's been no or little response/action to this from staff of TMO when this same issue has come up in threads before, it is kinda my own way of responding to the people who so enjoy tagging threads with useless bs, and I hope would also contribute to moderators noticing the thread's tags and wiping them (my trolling tags one included).

At the same time, people on the receiving end - why does this have to get to you so deeply? Some - lots - of people are *******s. You can still focus on being secure in your own positives. Like in the GNASH thread - yeah it's been slow going, hard and thus far fruitless compiling work - but how does the fact that some people can't appreciate the fact that you tried in any way change the merits of those actions, or you for doing them?

For instance, threads where I post have a tendency to get tagged with tags involving "babbling" - i.e. "babbling", "stop babbling", etc. I don't know if that's directed at me; at least once a thread with "babbling" was tagged "more babbling" after I voiced my disagreement with that tag. But other than that I don't know if the tags are directed at me or not. And at the end of the day, so what if they are? I'm secure enough that I consider what I have to say mostly useful, and relevant to some people even if some others have some knee jerk reaction to it because ... well, whatever it is some people don't like about commentary like that.

At the end of the day a dickish tag can't touch you. It can't detract from your self-worth or merits, and all that emotional response it brings up doesn't have to bother you if you're secure in knowing that the tag is wrong. It's not fair that some people are *******s and get away with it, but it doesn't have to - and shouldn't - bother you enough to stop what you're doing.

The problem with such tags is their utter uselessness, and indirectly that they encourage the wrong kind of attitude most of the time. But the tag upsetting you is a separate problem, and should be dealt with inside yourself first. Curbing the behavior of dipshits should never be personal, because when it is you risk being needlessly cruel and unfair yourself.

- Edit -
* What do you know, bs tags got posted while I was writing my post. Surprise surprise.
- End Edit -

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

What did Mentalist just say?

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

No tl;dr ; read it yourself.

...

I think leetnoob is correct and either the tag system gets disabled completely, or their authors are made public for everyone. The 300-posts-to-create-tags system is clearly faulty, given that the very senior members who should set the example on how tags are used are clearly abusing the system.

None the less, given the abuse and non-standardisation on the tags system, it has clearly turned useless, and is nothing but an anonymous comment tool; some witty, but usually remaining in the trolling territory. Examples? The ever-present Bada-whatever tags.

I'm all for tags removal. Also, I'm all for a public tool for viewing who are the people who added the already-present troll tags; I'm sure we'd be in for a surprise.

On a more personal note... Truly, these forums have been lacking in moderator activity; lots of newbie bashing these days... Widespread, actually.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Additionaly: I'm reporting this thread to the moderation; I think they need to read this, and get to action.

If you agree... Report this thread; we have moderation material on the tags, and I think mods need to review our claims.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I've been here for around a year now and I still haven't figured out how to tag a thread.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Noooooooooo!!!!! Pick a different project to boycott!

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

i dont read the tags, unless someone points to them.. theres just no usefull information for noone... if tags bother anyone.. just dont read them?

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

You don't have enough posts to do it. Tagging only becomes enabled when you reach 300 posts.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Personally, I think the tags should be done away with altogether. For most of the time I've been here (Since 2008), I didn't even LOOK at them, didn't even NOTICE them until very recently (like maybe the past year). heh They're very pointless.

More importantly, if all it takes is a few mean words in tags to hurt your ego and make you quit a project, it makes me wonder whether you're looking for a convenient way to make it look like quitting wasn't your own intention. It makes one ponder whether you're either genuinely thin-skinned or else fickle and looking for ANY excuse to make it look like it was someone else's fault.

I'm sure there'll be better people around who'll be interested in scratching their itch and solving things long after you're gone. They might even have a genuine interest in it and give the doubters and the haters who post these cynical tags less reason to look like they might have a point.

In any case, as much as I can appreciate criticism and appraisal either way, I can agree that those tags in the flash thread were unnecessary and demoralizing--but I'd either rather let them go ahead and post such things (as long as they're not personal attacks) or else get rid of the tags altogether. (I'd be in favor of the latter option, myself)

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Umm, I've always been able to edit tags even though I have a pathetic^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H restrained post count of 18 including this one. If anyone is really offended by tags that do not necessarily breach the rules, or just think they're useless, then write a GreaseMonkey/Userscript that hides them for you.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Problem is some of the tagging are personal attacks and guess what... thay are there to be read always and not one single moderator deals with them.

This forum has duel standards and the rules only count when it suites them.

Take a look at this thread that is full of attacking tags and you will see just how much rules count on this forum !.
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...305#post980305

I am afraid to say it is them verses us on this forum and as much as i want to respect moderators i cannot because they do not implement the rules, only when it makes them look good.

Many many posts on here are attacking and nothing is done, WHAT RULES ?????.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Revoke tag privledges or remove the tag cloud, PLEASE.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

THere you go it has started yet again because now we have the tag "adick_uk" so what is the moderators going to do ?

My guess is.... NOTHING.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

No-life saddos with nothing to contribute.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

WHO are you reffering to ?.

For your information, every problem that is discussed about on here is a contribution as it highlights problem to be looked in to.

Just because not everyone is a programmer on this forum does not mean they do not contribute.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I added the tags "controlable" and "issue" just to let everyone know.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

The subject(s) of this thread. The "d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags". Been on the receiving end of this myself - and it can be a cowardly way of being offensive. But, as somebody else has said, they are best ignored. It would be best if the facility were disabled. Tags are intended to be useful and informative, to highlight the subject matter. When they are used in the way they are in this situation, and on other threads, they are unhelpful and have little value.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

If you look at the tags below (there are at the moment 10), they refer to only one thread - this one. What is the point? Somebody needs to get a life, bro...

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

'controlable' will not link with anything - because there is no such word spelled that way:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/controllable

just as with 'offemsvive tags' - no such word as 'offemsive':

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/offensive

half of the tags might be intended to be useful, but they'd need to be spelled correctly, at least.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

The issue needs to be looked at for sure as it is not just for this thread, it is a global issue on here and when i see the rules set on this forum being abused it makes me realise the comments i made a long time ago on the rules issue thread that there are 2 sets of rules on here, one for them and one for us on the recieving end of the abuse.

The abusers look on it as fun and short of actually hacking this forum it is impossible to find out the mindless thugs that do this.

Hacking is the name of the game on this forum so i think if Reggie has any sense he will look into this issue once and for all.

Tags should most definetley be traceable by all members of this community because that IS one way to stop them !.

IT HAS NOW BECOME A SERIOUS ISSUE AND I AM ASKING THE FORUM REGULATORS TO LOOK INTO THIS ISSUE.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

[QUOTE=mishmich;980719]'controlable' will not link with anything - because there is no such word spelled that way:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/controllable

just as with 'offemsvive tags' - no such word as 'offemsive':

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/offensive

half of the tags might be intended to be useful, but they'd need to be spelled correctly, at least.[/QUOTE

I have now corrected the word, i had to delete it then re-add it to change the spelling.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

Oh is ship filtered too?

Wtf.

All I can say is... I'm tired of bada jokes. I'm tired of newbie bashing. Let's get our act together, guys...

And if mods refuse to outright do their job... Troll the phuck out. Flooding is fine, too.

As said... If contributing to the current status quo won't help... Get the chaos going till all hell breaks loose.

Let's get discussion going,

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

I think as YOU are one of the bullies on this forum who CONSTANTLY tagg threads should now realise that this IS AN ISSUE,

The Tag Trolling issue
 

Hello.

I'm a somewhat new here. Still, I'm fully commited to this community. While I can't offer code, such as MohammedAG of freemangordon might, I'd like to offer a take on a current and bothersome issue:

Tag trolling.

This community has flourished in many ways, as well as had it's fair share of popcorn threading. Well... Popcorning seems to be invading all else.

Trolling through the anonymous tag system has become widespread; it has become fairly common to see others getting attacked, as well as no use tags getting addec to a thread's tag clouds... Up to the point where the tag system becomes no more than an anonymous mean through which people might bad-mouth others.

This is surely outrageous.

I can upon all members of the TMO forums to deal with this. Let not apathy dominate this forums, for they have turned a lackluster, undersupported smartphone device into the ultimate mobile phone device, that while lacking the sheer number of buttock-kissers in android, sure as hell outdo it in every possible aspect...

So.. Let us not give up now.

Everyone who agrees... Jump in this ship.

I'll abide to whatever the mods say, nonetheless... But I sure as hell wanna hear them out.

Re: should d**kheads who anonymously troll via tags have their tagging privileges revoked?
 

We're here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...742#post980742