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Maemo - Android Rant (only small)
Today,
I was installing eyes's new 2.3.3. Mounted /and and proceeded to rm rf the partition, something went wrong, I ended up removing all the files in my /home.. Whoops! Good for a laugh. I was lucky enough not to remove my root files (multiboot kernels). The only system I had access to all day was NITdroid 2.3.1. Great work from eyes and nitdroid team.. But... ANDROID JUST STINKS! It's fun for a play, but abysmal as a main OS. I HATE iOS (I do have an iPad, good for net). Droid is virtually the same, but with a terminal. There are no decent mobile OS's around. I do not think I could live with any OS other than Maemo. It's not that I'm a crazy little Nokia/Linux/Maemo fanboy. I'm far from it. I am just a person who loves functionality. I love my maemo! I used to have an Xperia X10, got rid of that and forgot why. Using Droid today, I remember why I hate it as a main OS. Why the rant? WHAT NEXT!?!? Where am I going to go once Maemo is completely gone? No Nokia, and what about when people tire of the system? No user help or support... I fear the day. I despise Symbion and iOS. Meego could be a solution for a future problem.. But how can it be without decent hardware? :) Maemo is just a flawless (albeit flawed) system! Sorry for the pointless post.. I just need to vent and rant! BTW: My N900 is back and running with Maemo! :cool: |
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Thank you for writing this. I was about to create a similiar thread
but was afraid of all this flame posts. I tested android(nitdroid) too. First: Two thinks are really awesome: 1. The work of e-yes and all the other nitdroid developers. 2. The N900, it is just great to see what is possible. It is fun two play around with android. The UI looks clean. Most apps "just works". But after two days it just gets boring. Android is great for people for which the applications are the most important part. But not for people who likes to work with "the system". |
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If you loooove hildon UI then follow this project:
http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/cordia:start http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56822 http://maemo.org/community/council/w...in_april_2011/ |
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Android is basically, for people that want iOS devices, with a lot more freedom (customizing springboard? icons and resources only. on Android, you have Widgetlocker, LauncherPro, etc.). I mean, I picked up Nitdroid N11, and was surprised that it looked, felt and acted so much like iOS. Except that Android has a dedicated back button, which I like (on iOS, not all apps show a "back" button, your only option is the Home button)
Maemo, however, feels like it was really built for the N900. Smooth, real-time multitasking with previews, smooth animations, responsive UI as long as you don't queue up the IO's, yeah. My only problem is, a desktop-class operating system such as Maemo needs better hardware to really perform. Sure, we can open up 30 apps at once and not have them lag, but once you start using desktop apps (*cough*Easydebian*cough*) the device really starts to slow down. I'd like to have a N900, with an OMAP4 and 1GB of Mobile DDR2, and a 128GB eMMC, running Maemo 5/MeeGo. That would be a "shut up, and take my money" moment. (Not to downplay the Nitdroid team's achievements, big thanks to e-yes for new releases, huge steps forward from 0.0.9. I just feel like Maemo is better than Android on the N900, however, I do see a lot of people loving Android more than Maemo.) |
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tl;dr different strokes for different folks :)
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Android is great. Kind of ;)
Droid and iOS are good for the general public. No the nerds! We are many! I just got into a small funky hit of "depression" today when I realised how hard it would be to use a phone without the functionality of Maemo/PROPER Linux! Droid/iOS are the same - They're restricted... Horrible. Why can't companies see this! Nokia should open Maemo completely! I hate the "word" APP! It's all I hear all day "what apps has the phone got". I installed this "app" on my computer (windows based).. hahahaha. Edit: @ Slender: Is there a download link for Cordia (X86/Netbook) available? I'd love to have a play with it. |
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i made the mistake of buying an htc wildfire for work cos im on the scooter running around all day and i dont want to ruin my n900 cos of work. so i bought the wildfire....what do i say?5 months on.... its soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo boring i ended up hating android, really? what is the use? other than to make phone calls easier, but thats about it! i even went out and bought an extra sim for my n900 so i can at least have an incentive to use it more often. the way it stands, as far as i know, no one in the world has an n900 that looks like mine and i love that! no android or ios for me thanks , just gimme maemo!!!!! and with the new cssu it rocks even more! i love the community here, you guys are wicked! and i love you all.......PEACE!
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Ahhh!! More closet fans and haters! We are all coming out! ;)
N900 is so personalised! Same hardware, yet no one has the same software! n900 lover, you are 100% right! Good man! |
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I'm really worried about finding a Maemo replacement as well.
Android, iOS, Bada and Symbian are all operating systems that let you play a games, and place phone calls. That's it! Maemo is whatever you want it to be. I think the N900 is the best and most honest example of "What computers have become", the ultimate convergence device that can challenge the use of a personal computer. AND make those phonecalls. Everyone keeps talking how mobile is the future and how internet plays a huge part of it. But still we see phones that come with browsers that only support mobile websites, aren't really meant to for manipulating content (such as posting on forums). For me it sometimes seems there's no real alternative either. |
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Sometimes I just wonder why Nokia keeps Maemo 5 locked down. Why not let the community fix up the source, update it, and let the device last as long, if not longer than the original NITs? I understand that there are a lot of proprietary kernel-related components (in regards to drivers), but look at the MeeGo team, they were able to use 2.6.37 on the same device. CSSU still has a long way to go, and IIRC Nokia fixed a lot of bugs in PR1.3 (internally D: )
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For what it's worth, webOS is a lateral move when you're looking for a similiar experience on new hardware.
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The problem with android is that it does not use standard linux libraries (e.g. glibc) but uses its own custom libraries instead.
Basically, this means that porting linux applications is next to impossible - you'll have to rewrite from scratch (sucks). Even their bluetooth stack is reta5rded. AFAIK: You have to download a third-party app to get decent bluetooth support (e.g. use a keyboard and mouse). You can install chroot version of liniux onto android but does mean installing a custom kernel but I'm not sure how mature this is. Meego & webOS are the last "full-features" mobile OS surviving today and are probalby our only hope of getting a full-function mobile device. |
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I was actually also thinking of posting a new thread like this since i have been messing around with android lately.
Well i have never been so board in my life well aside from messing around with apple/mac (now an again since 90') And when the H**L has it been a good yard stick of how good a platform/os is based on how many apps there is avaible???? There are over 250,000 apps in the andriod marked and it is just stupid, i spent about an hour looking for video players, it is just about 95% crap in there, and whats the point of that. We might only have a few 1000 apps but they are generally good, an how needs apps when you have a real terminal. + this is the best forum i have ever been in, the level of good people here and of course the high level of nerdiness :D You can't help and feel that you are part of something special when being part of the maemo community, and it is cool to have something that is basically rare (N900). People that leave here in favor of iOS or Andriod i don't understand, maybe it is a low IQ thing or something, we know that iOS is built around being user friendly so even Ret**ds can use it. But this hole experience have given be the thirst for more, what i want in the future is a 7" tablet running PURE ubuntu on an x86 based CPU, a 4.3-5" device like the N900, also with pure ubuntu and with these specs: Display: AMORLED or Color I-INK with 1280x720 CPU: Dualcore + Graphics chip Hardware keyboard (A MUST HAVE!!!!) As good audio speaker system as the N900 or better And of course a BIG battery (you know me :D) I really like maemo it is really a good system, but i would only require a few "apps" like phone book, sms system, dialing pad etc... on ubuntu to make i work as a phone The weird thing about my N900 is that it is really my "precious", i have things that are much more expensive but the 1 care is the N900. A hammer could fly through my flat-screen and i would only duck and cover my N900 even if it was in the other end of the room :D |
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good thread!
when is saw the thread title, i thought it would be a rant in the opposite direction. lol@dr_frost_dk |
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i dont like iOS (specially iPad....just a gigantic iPod touch) in my case.
Android.....just okay....for phone use.... Maemo changed my whole life....i can even kill just by smashing my n900 on someone's head! (kidding) but yeah.....maemo rules for me....with the freakin' multiboot, easy debian, ported games, partitioning memory to the sizes that fits you, overclocking that maybe capable of frying eggs :D and everything else is awesome!!! |
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Just imagine a "phone" with, for example, "Samsung galaxy s II" 's hardware (plus keyboard) and Maemo. It would be the best phone in the world! No one could compete with it.
Nokia could have supported Maemo and its community. Most of N900's buyers are people (geeks) who love computers, programming, Linux... and would have helped Nokia to develop the best mobile OS. I thought my next phone would have Android but I installed Nitdroid yesterday (good job, Nitdroid's team!) and well... it's fine but something is missing: the power and freedom of Maemo. If Nokia had sold more phones with Maemo many developers would have supported it by creating good (and bad) applications, so us, the geeks, would be happy because Maemo would be still alive and "normal users" would be happy too because they would have thousands of apps. (I'm Spanish, and when reading the last sentence, with so many "would" I think it's not well written. I hope you can understand). |
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Some people here are just... ignorant.
Don't get me wrong, I love Maemo and I really hope Meego will take off with or without Nokia. But right now Maemo / Meego are years behind Android. If you don't want to hear the truth, I will just shut up. But I still have hopes for the future of Meego. |
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So its really a case of (informed) opinion, isnt it? I dont mean that this would mean that youre wrong, but it doesnt mean anyone writting n this thread is wrong either in liking Maemo over Android. |
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Since Meego has not been released yet, I was unable to form an opinion on the OS, including whether it can compete with Android or not. With Maemo this can be done however, so please elaborate, how is Maemo years behind Android except for maybe, say, voice guided navigation (although some hacks are available for Nokia Maps that enable this feature)? Also, if the TS did not intent this discussion please ignore my post ;) |
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Phones became so smart that people couldn't use them properly - TooSmartPhones. Thats why iOS is popular, thats why windows mobile 7 was released without multitasking, thats why android is killing running apps as he likes.
They created mobile phones that were computers and it was too much (orginal windows mobile, old symbians, even present symbian). Smartphones became more stupid again and now they are trying to figure out how to add more power to os in a way that will be accessible for 'normal' people. We are using N900 and we are not normal people!:) Anyway i do think that there is place for open, pc like os on the market. For now maemo is the best anserw but still not perfect. I hope MeeGo will become powerful, open, limitless operating system for the future. PS. i have to admit that i sometimes miss in maemo smoothness and better looking apps :p PS2. We should create petition to Nokia for opening up Maemo source. They wouldn't loose nothing on it and make us all happy:) |
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Thanks for this thread. I was wondering what I would do if my n900 died one day. Only looked at other people's iPhones & Androids - a couple of times they need it to do something & they don't know how, and for some reason they hand it to me (who knows nothing about them) and ask me to figure it out for them. My impression was that it is easy to find your way around, and download apps - but like somebody else here, I do wonder what all the apps they have are for. The biggest thing I miss is something to read and write word documents in Maemo - but I can have that with Open Office on Easy Debian (I'd prefer something like Ubuntu or Fedora, and Libre Office, but hey, I ain't complaining). Anyway (says this is a rant, so guess it is On Topic to rant on), I was not inspired by either of them. I have four screens, with the Milky Way stretched across the four, with the launcher icons and stuff placed in groups where I want them, at the top and bottom of the screen, so I get the luminous part of the galaxy showing, and the bigger widgets at screens 1 & 4, the outer arms of the galaxy. That is pretty neat in my book. So, maybe WebOS, or MeeGo, one day. If we can have a kind of Maemo on top of a MeeGo core, a kind of pukka linux, and despite my frustrations a couple of months ago, if this does happen, then I'll be happy. If it finds its way onto a new phone with keyboard, then I might go for that. But not if the screen is so small. The n810, in terms of dimensions, was better - easier to look at, better size keys/keyboard, slimmer. But, for a bigger screen and keyboard, even if it were as fat as the n900, that would be fine. I'm no lover of the terminal - I used to be, but I got lazy and have trouble retaining all that stuff as I get older. Can't say the look of apps has bothered me. But then black is my favourite non-colour, so most stuff ends up black anyway with me anyway, apart from text. The more I hear about WebOS, the more tempted I am. I think if nobody comes up with a decent (and available) linux tablet computer soon, I'm going to have to look at an HP one eventually. I don't think I will be able to take MeeGo seriously until they get rid of those badly drawn cartoon characters. I really don't get that, and it puts me off.
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I have always had a similar opinion - that I would switch to android after maemo. I figured there were more apps, and generally a better experience. After I installed it though, I was kind of bored, and honestly didn't find many apps that my n900 didn't have.
Maybe it is an issue of power users vs not like someone mentioned above. Regular users want what we call a 'boring' phone. They want to be able to make calls, use a few apps, text, and that's really it. We want a mobile computer. |
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Has better memory management or multitasking or whatever? I don't know. Today it's possible (Google has been working hard) but two years ago, when Nokia killed Maemo, it weren't. I think that Android is a good OS, I'm going to install it on my sister's phone (HTC HD 2) and my next phone will have Android, but I'm sure that if Nokia hadn't killed Maemo and used it as the main OS for their phones (and their developers adding features and debugging), today it would be the best OS. |
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Hope the new hardware they bring out looks as "nice" and "basic" as the N900. I hate weird shapes, too thin phones. I would rather not capacitive, too. |
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Well I am not going to repeat the same thing as the majority though it's also my opinion (installed nitdroid in october and get bored in about two weeks, installed the rc3 too and using it only to play chess, my daughter has an galaxy gti7500 with froyo installed so I get used to know a little bit of android) but I would like to know the thoughts of someone who made the android to maemo road without knowing maemo before. Does he have the same feeling as most of us ??
And anyway I think that is not bad having more and more OS options outhere...the more choices we have the better should be.... |
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Maemo for ever!!! Not android, not iOS, not meego (maybe with the hildon ported 100%) in the future for me
i only accept maemo 6 |
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