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arash-m 2011-04-16 18:18

MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 
Just checked release schedule page of MeeGo. It seems that 1.2 will be released at 2011-05-25!

http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2

cutehunk04 2011-04-16 18:35

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 
i dont think it will ever be realised..they are just playing with us....

xRobby 2011-04-16 18:42

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Good! means it won't be rushed, a bad rep for meego is the least they want from 1.2

PartyboyXP 2011-04-16 18:51

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I prefer to wait 1 month more but only I hope that the version will be stable and fast

bandora 2011-04-16 19:02

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Lol, why am I not surprised by this news. hmmm.

Bratag 2011-04-16 22:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 990063)
Lol, why am I not surprised by this news. hmmm.

Its one month man and its not like this is the first OS to ever be delayed. Better a delay than a half baked OS

gerbick 2011-04-16 22:39

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oh noes... 30 days of a delay...

y'all can't be serious...

Kangal 2011-04-16 23:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 990209)
oh noes... 30 days of a delay...

y'all can't be serious...

I blinked at your avatar, then I read that...
...
...
... in Cleveland Browns voice
(scary)

Cue 2011-04-17 00:29

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 990202)
Its one month man and its not like this is the first OS to ever be delayed. Better a delay than a half baked OS

This was my reaction when the N900 itself was delayed. Not anymore, not sure if I'm happy with the outcome of that delay because it still lacked polish.

nilchak 2011-04-17 01:09

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I thought Meego had a fixed release schedule - in the sense that as on a release date - whatever degree of polish it had would be released. The release cycle was supposed to be based on dates and not a degree of finish.

Si how come now its being delayed. As such there was no promise that the Meego 1.2 release was still consumer ready - so what does this delay mean ? Is it that after the delay the 1. release WILL be ready in some sense of consumer usefulness ?

bandora 2011-04-17 01:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 990202)
Its one month man and its not like this is the first OS to ever be delayed. Better a delay than a half baked OS

I am not saying anything about the OS, or the 30 day delay.. But since we're talking about Nokia and their usual delays.. I am just not surprised that there's a delay on this too.. It's pretty standard by now (the delays I mean).. Nokia even knows about it hence them naming one of the new Windows Phone devices as "W8".. Cuz we will be W8ing for it for a while till it actually gets released.. xD

F2thaK 2011-04-17 02:03

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Suprised? No.

Pissed? Hell yes.

chase15 2011-04-17 02:57

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I thought of this.. same like Maemo... yep it wasn't a surprise. I am not pissed right now.. but when it comes out next month and it is not stable and fast.. then, ill be surely get pissed!

Bratag 2011-04-17 03:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 990253)
I am not saying anything about the OS, or the 30 day delay.. But since we're talking about Nokia and their usual delays.. I am just not surprised that there's a delay on this too.. It's pretty standard by now (the delays I mean).. Nokia even knows about it hence them naming one of the new Windows Phone devices as "W8".. Cuz we will be W8ing for it for a while till it actually gets released.. xD

Given that Meego != Nokia you can't go round making the comparison.

ZogG 2011-04-17 03:12

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at least they do tell time. i think it's good and fair enuf.

wzwilliam 2011-04-17 03:32

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if it solves the problems listed on the meego website, the postpone is a good thing, isn't it?

abhirajsoni 2011-04-17 03:34

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i got news that meego 1.2 is coming on 28 april for N900 :-o

Bratag 2011-04-17 04:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abhirajsoni (Post 990284)
i got news that meego 1.2 is coming on 28 april for N900 :-o

Source?

Extra stuff for length

jotoco 2011-04-17 05:47

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Do you guys really believe in a stable and complete version of meego for the n900?

Only if it is NOT made by Nokia...

Stskeeps 2011-04-17 08:31

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MeeGo 1.2 being delayed has a very good reason, that cleaning up organisationally after Feb11 in MeeGo project took like 30 days, so nothing really productive got done then. Lot of plans rewritten, etc.

I see it as a plus, personally, even though it now digs into my own vacation schedule..

ysss 2011-04-17 08:58

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Fool me once, shame on.. shame on you.
Fool me... you can't get fooled again.

mikecomputing 2011-04-17 09:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cutehunk04 (Post 990047)
i dont think it will ever be realised..they are just playing with us....

who is they?

mikecomputing 2011-04-17 09:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 990253)
I am not saying anything about the OS, or the 30 day delay.. But since we're talking about Nokia and their usual delays.. I am just not surprised that there's a delay on this too.. It's pretty standard by now (the delays I mean).. Nokia even knows about it hence them naming one of the new Windows Phone devices as "W8".. Cuz we will be W8ing for it for a while till it actually gets released.. xD

Since when was this a Nokia project only!? your are free to contribute to the project! send bugreports, fix stuff and test images etc. But most people here prefer sitting at Maemo forum and whining like a bunch of kids :(

I begin too think its not Nokia that will kill meego on handset instead its totally lack of people who tests meego handset, and too many people in this forum who prefer to whining instead of help contribute to the project.


Remember this: Meego is a open source project that means the community (= users users of maemo/meego) can contributes in some way.

Thats how Open Source moves forward. If no contibutions in form of testers, coders, documentation bugreporting the projects dies.

Meego on n900 will not move forward by people who are "Pissed" or stupid whining about Nokia. Don't blame the few employers at Nokia who still got a chance working on n900 version. Blame the board directors for stupid decision :(

Personally I think the blog about Nokia support develversiion of Meego was a mistake, cause many here take it as we will get a full featured Meego with flash, multitouchhscreen and maybe also capasitive screen on N900 and wordpeace.

Ele-Mental 2011-04-17 09:44

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Whats wrong with releasing it now as originally planned, and making an update availible in a month? But 30 days isnt long to wait. Compare that to the time we've waited already since 1.1.

tebsu 2011-04-17 10:31

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to all those who are pissed and dont understand this. i am a developer by myself and when i delay something, then its with a good reason. mostly caused by some unexpected problem which can always occur. if the release would be now, you people would piss your pants because only half the **** would work maybe because of something small. now, the is delayed only one month. one month is nothing,.. i expected something like 6 month to be true so be happy, sit down and enjoy. you dont pay for the meego so dont complain. i think your maemo still runs very good, doesnt it? if not, its your fault.

@Ele-Mental: you obviously have never done anything about marketing, havent you? If i have something i am developing and i am proud of it, i dont want to listen to people who complain about a shitty product, just because they only tested the broken beta version and think thats close to a final version. Too much people think 2D. Think twice next time and you see why there is a delay.

mishmich 2011-04-17 10:51

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So, to the guy who, when I said it wasn't happening, said I was ignorant, and it would be released in April. You were talking crap. Waited a couple of months to be able to say that, and does it feel good...

mishmich 2011-04-17 11:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tebsu (Post 990413)
to all those who are pissed and dont understand this. i am a developer by myself and when i delay something, then its with a good reason. mostly caused by some unexpected problem which can always occur. if the release would be now, you people would piss your pants because only half the **** would work maybe because of something small. now, the is delayed only one month. one month is nothing,.. i expected something like 6 month to be true so be happy, sit down and enjoy. you dont pay for the meego so dont complain. i think your maemo still runs very good, doesnt it? if not, its your fault.

In my experience. something is not released because...

it doesn't work properly. Period.

Duh!

The release date was April, are you seriously telling me they figured out it wasn't going to cut the mustard just now? If there was a project plan, and stuff wasn't happening, they should have said something a month before the release date, not this late in the day. Sure, we aren't paying - why would we? Bunch of cowboys.

bandora 2011-04-17 14:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 990385)
Since when was this a Nokia project only!? your are free to contribute to the project! send bugreports, fix stuff and test images etc. But most people here prefer sitting at Maemo forum and whining like a bunch of kids :(

I begin too think its not Nokia that will kill meego on handset instead its totally lack of people who tests meego handset, and too many people in this forum who prefer to whining instead of help contribute to the project.


Remember this: Meego is a open source project that means the community (= users users of maemo/meego) can contributes in some way.

Thats how Open Source moves forward. If no contibutions in form of testers, coders, documentation bugreporting the projects dies.

Meego on n900 will not move forward by people who are "Pissed" or stupid whining about Nokia. Don't blame the few employers at Nokia who still got a chance working on n900 version. Blame the board directors for stupid decision :(

Personally I think the blog about Nokia support develversiion of Meego was a mistake, cause many here take it as we will get a full featured Meego with flash, multitouchhscreen and maybe also capasitive screen on N900 and wordpeace.

Before ranting about me like that I suggest you take a look at my posts in TMO, I don't whine, and also if you read my post(s) again in this thread, you will see that I'm not whining.. I also suggest you also go see, my posts @ the MeeGo forum (although I don't get technical as I don't know much about linux) I try to help out as much as I can.

Also, AFAIK the DE version of MeeGo is a Nokia initiative and not Intel's..

I will clarify my post again for you, I am not whining, I am just not surprised there was a delay (either if it's a good thing or a bad thing).. That said, I can't wait to test it out when it's ready.

cjp 2011-04-17 16:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 990253)
I am not saying anything about the OS, or the 30 day delay.. But since we're talking about Nokia and their usual delays.. I am just not surprised that there's a delay on this too.. It's pretty standard by now (the delays I mean).. Nokia even knows about it hence them naming one of the new Windows Phone devices as "W8".. Cuz we will be W8ing for it for a while till it actually gets released.. xD


What has Nokia got to do with MeeGo?

I think its mainly Intel developing the Meego.com Meego thats in question here.

droitwichgas 2011-04-17 17:54

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Does it really make that much difference that Meego 1.2, which at best is going to be used by Developers/Power users, is delayed by a month? Looking at this thread it seems none of the end users that Meego 1.2 is aimed at are moaning about the delay so I can't understand why the users on this thread are taking issue with Meego about the delay.

However if they weren't on this thread whinging I assume they would be only clogging up another TMO thread.

In my view I would sooner wait another month and have something useable than Meego release 1.2 when it is not even ready for the users it is aimed at.

bandora 2011-04-17 18:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cjp (Post 990581)
What has Nokia got to do with MeeGo?

I think its mainly Intel developing the Meego.com Meego thats in question here.

Prove me wrong but isn't MeeGo DE was announce and headed by Nokia employees?

Like Jukka Eklund, Harri Hakulinen (both @Nokia)..

Anyways, I am done posting more things in this thread as I don't want to seem like I'm "whining", so my final thought is for the MeeGo HW adaptation + DE teams: Keep up the great work you guys are doing! It's amazing how fast MeeGo went from nothing to something that looks really amazing and full of great potential! And I can't wait till the DE gets released and even MeeGo 1.3.. :)

maxximuscool 2011-04-17 21:38

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Is it me or MeeGo 1.2 RCs are currently removed from the repository?

http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/t...-armv7hl-n900/

Fabry 2011-04-17 21:46

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No files removed, simply MeeGo 1.2 RC3 ARM's images have never been released.
Log file reports a fatal error during build process and until now noone has fixed it.

MeeGo 1.2 RC3 images exist only for x86

maxximuscool 2011-04-18 01:31

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Ah I see didn't read the logs.

buurmas 2011-04-18 02:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabry (Post 990723)
MeeGo 1.2 RC3 images exist only for x86

This seems like a good opportunity to once again remind those who are still stuck in the MeeGo = Nokia thought pattern, that Intel is pushing MeeGo, as opposed to Nokia which is tinkering with it. Intel wants badly to get caught up in the tablet game, and is pushing its latest Atom processors. But I'm guessing that, particularly this year, it's got a problem: Windows 7 probably isn't going to be especially satisfying on an Atom tablet and Intel is beholden to Google to get Android Honeycomb running on Atom & Atom might be trailing ARM a bit on performance. So I think Intel needs MeeGo to be sure there is a compelling platform for Atom.

Stskeeps 2011-04-18 05:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Fabry (Post 990723)
No files removed, simply MeeGo 1.2 RC3 ARM's images have never been released.
Log file reports a fatal error during build process and until now noone has fixed it.

MeeGo 1.2 RC3 images exist only for x86

If anyone has been following the mailing lists, PulseAudio was upgraded and that broke parts of N900 audio stack. There's trunk:testing images already available with fixes in. ARM repositories are there and sysroots for SDK.

Don't worry.

Bratag 2011-04-18 06:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 990814)
If anyone has been following the mailing lists, PulseAudio was upgraded and that broke parts of N900 audio stack. There's trunk:testing images already available with fixes in. ARM repositories are there and sysroots for SDK.

Don't worry.

That can't be it Stskeeps. I mean where is the Nokia conspiracy in that? What you meant to type was "Somehow Nokia inserted a patch to pulseaudio which on closer inspection had the comment 'Screw you N900 users' in it and it broke Meego"

(On a sane note. Thanks for the info)

nuknuk 2011-04-18 06:03

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i have seen meego runnining and its very fast.

cjp 2011-04-18 06:05

Re: MeeGo 1.2 release postponed for a month
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stskeeps (Post 990814)
If anyone has been following the mailing lists, PulseAudio was upgraded and that broke parts of N900 audio stack. There's trunk:testing images already available with fixes in. ARM repositories are there and sysroots for SDK.

Don't worry.

Thanks for updating this thread with some real information.

Stskeeps 2011-04-18 06:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Bratag (Post 990828)
That can't be it Stskeeps. I mean where is the Nokia conspiracy in that? What you meant to type was "Somehow Nokia inserted a patch to pulseaudio which on closer inspection had the comment 'Screw you N900 users' in it and it broke Meego"

(On a sane note. Thanks for the info)

Well, there is a bit of conspiracy in it :) We originally downgraded PulseAudio to 0.9.19 to fit with the audio stack and well, Intel upgraded it to 0.9.22 without telling anyone in advance, so ..

SNAFU.

:P


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