n800 vs iphone review
 

Can anyone with both the n800 and iphone do a comprehensive review?
I mean what each can do better than tthe other and ultimately......if you had to leave one .....which one would you chose.
now cut that crapp about they being different and incomparable !!!
Consider an i phone.....vs the n800 with a phone.

THAnks

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Um...they're...not the same type of device...so...this is a cut and dried case of apples to oranges.

Kthxbye.

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get a regular phone with the n800. iphone ain't all that. watch how easily the screen breaks. http://revision3.com/systm/cracked

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Yeah, Apples and Nokias...

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Correct. Apple to oranges. One is a pure multi-media device and sold as such while the other is branded an Internet device, so a comparison would be useless. It comes down to taste. If you like the N800 buy it, if you like the iPhone buy that one as well. There are plenty of comparisons and specifications regarding both devices.

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And N800 screens don't crack. Right. Repair cost for a broken screen in Finland is about $120. Guess why they have prices for them.

As for not being all that, I guess the 525K of them sold in 2 and a half days count for nothing.

Let's compare N800 units sold verses iPhones sold. Personally I like the IT concept but the N800 just ain't there yet. Maybe with the Nx00 or whatever else comes something magical will happen. Until then, if it only costs a few hundred more to get more in the way of an iPhone MOST people don't mind spending the extra cash.

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Products that sell in the first number of days are sold on complete hype and promises. Its after the initial month that the prosyct sells itself. The iphone had one shitton of hype and marketing scheme behind it. How many n800 commercials did you see?

BaBack to the OP : why not buy'em both and tether the nokia to the iphone?
But really i'd pick the n800 over the iphone because it doesn't have to be a phone. It does everything the iphone does and more. It just isn't as pretty and the UI isn't really for the mobile industry . All mt friemds that have any kind of tech. B/g that i've shown my n800off to agree it is better than the iphone annd has a shitton of potential to become one of the best handhelds of 2007

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I would say yes and no. Some people are simply loyal to the brand. There are many here that no matter how many failing the N800 has, they will remain loyal to it and Nokia. Nothing wrong with that. The same can be said of Apple as well. I bought my N800 after just seeing a guy use it in a shop. No hype, no advertising other than him playing with it and it looked cool. However, after some issues I got rid of it because it just did not stack up. The iPhone, on the other hand is a more mass market consumer product while the N800 isn't, however it could be with a bit of help. I am sure Nokia will look at the iPhone, and the N800 and something pretty cool should be in the works. Finns are pretty smart people.

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iPhones can't be tethered, I hear.

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More reason not to buy one.

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Yep, so no way to connect a N800 to an iphone. You need a third phone for that, but I hear it is possible to take out the SIM card from the iphone and use it in another phone.

Well, talk about ease of use in that case :D

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But, but... Don't you have a N95 now?

You should be só bashing the iPhone (<spit!>)...

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have you all seen the N95 vs iPhone videos on youtube? Funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p6Q5QuhQzIE

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I have both and will continue to carry both. Different devices for different applications. While they each have features that cross over to the others target market, they are still different. I need to do certain things while out on the street. The n800 much as I love it isn't suited for viewing in daylight and it isn't always feasable to look for shade. Not to mention that I shouldn't and don't have to. I have a device that I can view in daylight. The n800 has multimedia capabilities, but I don't use them. For me they are too dissimilar to compare.

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Hey Karel, (Don't hate. Appreciate)
:) Yes I do by the way, but I do like the iPhone. Happiness is having a mother that retired from AT&T and can get a deal on the iPhone, however I can not use the outdated, slow EDGE network here in Europe. DARN. :)

I will use the iPhone as I would the N800 (if I had one), until a European version of the iPhone comes out. If Nokia creates another table successor to the N800, I will get this as well. Life is short, and it's only money. :) Gadgets rule..... :)

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((I've used an iPhone, but do not own or plan to own one))

The n800 is an internet viewer, with some other functionality added. It's hard to beat for those specific uses.

The iPhone is a phone, with some other functionality added. It's hard to beat for those specific uses.

Video display tends to depend on the use. The n800 is incredible for video or webcam use, thanks to the very high pixel density (1.4 times that of the iPhone) and slightly larger screen. The screen isn't quite as clear, due to the plastic screen cover, but in normal situations this isn't a major issue. The iPhone's lower pixel density makes it less pleasant to watch less compressed video on, and some web pages will not look as good -- and you'll be horizontal-scrolling on every page you get to. On the other hand, text tends to be more readable without zooming in.

The iPhone currently doesn't support Flash, instead using pre-encoded Youtube files in a different format. The n800 does support flash, although framerate can be far from perfect (usually 6 FPS or above for youtube ime). I'd put this one on the n800's side. Flash is important for a lot of navigation tools on the real net, although I'm not happy about that, it is important to remember.

Control schemes are variable. The iPhone probably wins as a base model, as it's easy enough to type with (with a high error rate) quickly, while the stylus tends to be slower. The n800 is far more improvable, though, either through the USB or bluetooth tricks, and those with large or greasy fingers will prefer the stylus over the multitouch system.

When it comes to expandability, the n800 wins, clear and full. You can install user applications, switch out batteries, or carry hundreds of gigabytes worth of SD cards (admittedly, while being driven insane trying to find the right one). The iPhone can dock with stuff. Kinda.

For voice in general, I'd put a tie. Neither of them have really outstanding microphones, but in both cases they're usable and seldom the weakest link compared to the digitalization methods used. For phone use, the iPhone wins simply because it can be a phone without a WiFi. If you just want a phone, the average 20 USD pay-as-you-go phone beats both in terms of normal use. You just can't blind dial with a touch screen, or juggle a bag with a glass sheet in it.

Dealing with data is many times easier with the n800 (or even 770) than the iPhone. Moving a file is as natural as dealing with the file structure we've all come to know and love, and individual files can be moved. Any recent (98 SE or later) Windows version, most Linux installations, and most Mac OS installations can all deal with it, no software installation required. It even works on 64-bit Windows installs, and very old systems need only find a simple USB driver. iPhone has... iTunes. You have to sync the whole thing at once, using special software. Pain in the backside.

Battery life is surprisingly comparable in some comparable uses -- with WiFi on, web browsing the iPhone tends to get around 3 hours, twenty minutes before needing a charge, similar to the n800's three to four hours, and both last 10 days or so on standby -- but varies outside of that. The iPhone can get 4 hours of video or 9 1/2 hours of music, while the n800 tends to go a little lower on that. The iPhone only gets around 5 hours of talk time, though, pretty pathetic compared to your typical phone. Those who plan to use the devices heavily for both media and phone would be advised to get a phone-n800 combo rather than the opposite.

Both the n800 and the iPhone seem pretty physically insecure. Large screens with no hard covers are not particularly pleasant. I'd personally say the n800's feels a bit safer thanks to the recessed screen, but it's a bit harder to clean. In either case, save yourself the lost hair and grab some sort of case. Alternatively, the 770 is much more capable of surviving impact.

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I have a 770, N800 and the iPhone. I also have a BlackBerry from work.

- The 770 is used as remote to my Squeezebox (SlimServer).

- The N800 is used around the house for browsing the web (great for reading in bed) and playing games. I also bring it with me when I travel. I don't carry it with me when I leave the house, because it is too big for my pockets (I am still looking for the best case for this with a belt clip).

- The iPhone is small enough that I can slip in my pocket when I leave the house. The nice thing about having a cellular data plan, so I can get updates on my stocks and use Google maps to find locations and points of interests (i.e. restaurants) without worrying about a wifi connection.

- If I need to tether, I bring my BlackBerry. When I am at work, I use my BlackBerry. On the weekends, I will use my iPhone.

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I own both, and will probably be selling the Nokia on eBay. Simply put, the two devices are different, but on balance the iPhone gives me everything I need in one gadget.

The iPhone is much closer to the device I have been wishing for than the Nokia. Nokia's vision for the IT was revolutionary, but the execution has been flawed, in my opinion.

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Just get a blackjack with WM6 rom (card index is cool) or htc TOUCH

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something interested me while reading wikipedia - apparently the iphone uses the same graphics processing chip as the nokia n800 does:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powervr

Samsung S5L8900 -- MBX + FPU + ARM11

* Apple iPhone

Texas Instruments OMAP2420 -- MBX + VGP + FPU + ARM11
# Nokia E90 Communicator
# Nokia N93
# Nokia N93i
# Nokia N95
# Nokia N800

both use the PowerVR MBX chip, and the only overall difference between the two ARM processors is that the iphone is clocked at 600mhz (compared to the n800's 330)

i wonder if apple has a better api for the MBX chip that we could port over to the n800 (not like they'd let us... but maybe reverse engineered? probably not worth the effort) because OSX and Linux are both *nix based at heart

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OSX and Linux have very different kernel. OSX uses darwin, and Linux uses, well, Linux.

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It is a horrifically locked in platform and would be difficult to reverse engineer. Also people don't seem to have problems with the display, just the touchscreen and from I understand the two devices have different hardware for managing that.

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*sigh* ...

I feel I should cite this in my blog as an example of what happens when you use the name "Linux" for anything else than the kernel. :D

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what a beautiful and complete review. My own small comment would be: if Nokia and the end-users/developers continue to improve the way development is handled, then certainly the IT has a great future ahead.

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@torx - haha, thanks for the clarification, my bad, i guess i was comparing apples and oranges (no pun intended)

i think this just justifies further development by nokia for the MBX chip, as the iphone shows it has lots of unlocked potential (not sure how much of that 600mhz ARM goes into graphics/UI, but i'm guess it's mainly on the dedicated chip)

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ive used both.

for me, i see 2 main benefits of the iphone. 1. if you own a mac, the iphone is nice to keep consistency with your mac(notes, appointment, phonebook, and other things to come). and 2, the awesome internet experience. if you havent tried, maximazing/minimizing web pages is pretty much instant and fluid.

but the n800 is also good in that you can install your own apps, tether and get 3g speeds, slightly larger screen(but lower resolution) and price.

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Now, I know you iPhone (<spit!>) lovers are special, but you guys really should learn to count. The iPhone's (<spit!>) screen is 160 dpi, but the N800's is 200 dpi, or a full 25% higher than the iPhone (<spit!>).

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Careful dude, you're going to be swimming any time now. I bet when they release a software update it doesn't break more than it fixes.

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Har, har, har. You crack me up.

And for future reference: Please don't add anything if you quote my posts, and that includes adding funky colours. Others may have no problem with it, but I do.

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i personally wouldnt piss on an apple product if it were on fire..... lol

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Quite right, you could get a nasty shock. ;)

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Tough. I was just highlighting. You don't like it, don't post it.

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This forum has no highlight function. What you were doing, is inserting tags into my post that I hadn't inserted in it myself. Technically, this is fraud; and I happen to not take it lightly.

So please, do not change what I've written. I will complain to the moderator if it happens again.

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Hahahahahahaha!

Technically, any time someone quotes someone else they are adding tags to what they typed. Ohh, look, I just did it again. Tell you what, if a mod comes on here and says to me, or anybody else that they can't add color tags to a quote, then I won't. If you're getting that bent out of shape about it, maybe you ought to take a vacation. That's gotta be one of the stupidest things I've read on this forum, right under euchreprof's posts.

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the iphone sure has a crispier display wouldnt you agree?

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It can't have, if its dpi count is lower than that of the N800.

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The quote-unquote tags are around a poster's words, not inside. There is a big difference.

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As long as I don't change what you said, there's really nothing to ***** about. I was making a joke, you got all bent out of shape about it. Which actually makes it even funnier.

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Actually, this video post really belongs in this thread too...

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Dude, that's funny. Cool shirt too. :D