Request to Nokia, give us back our tablets!
 

I am asking Nokia, to build us a tablet again. I have a phone, I tether to it, and its cheap. I want a 810 replacement, with similar form, but faster cpu, more ram.

Go make your MS phones, give me back my Nokia tablet!

Please? Seriously?

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It's a nice thought but if they were to start producing tablets again what would the OS be?

Symbian wouldnt work on tablets, MicroSoft don't have a tablet OS ready for Nokia to borrow. We know about Nokia and Maemo/MeeGo, that's possible but unlikely. Also they wouldnt choose WebOS or Android/Chrome, and wouldnt be offered iOS by Apple.

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I think that Nokia is too busy running its business into the ground to worry about us.

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I'd vote in favour of completley open sourcing maemo, instead; can't see why they are refusing to now that have moved on.

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I'm with you -- I have no desire for a smartphone b/c I have no desire to pay a large monthly fee. But we seem to be in the minority. If Nokia's next MeeGo device is a tablet, I'm guessing that it will be ten inches, not pocket-sized.

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Did they lose money on the 770/800/810?

Who cares what OS it runs, if they were smart, they would make it easy to run Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora and join the party.

If you build it, they will come :D

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They have probably sinked ludicrous amounts of money to Maemo and Harmattan/MeeGo. Trollech/Qt that's a solid piece of it all costed them alone 220 million euros and that's probably a drop in the water they have spent to this whole Qt rounded projects as a whole.

They are still a company.

As for a tablet i have been lusting a Nokia designed tablet running MeeGo for a long time. Would have had great to see Nokia's take on these larger than 7" tablets. It's certain that Nokia will still have a tablet, but i'm totally lost on what OS that could be and when(4 months or 5 years).
Android did not get much of help from the phone side and they got ~40 apps for a 3.0. It would not sound totally out of this world still to have MeeGo tablet along with WP phones from Nokia.

But who knows. I have already pre-ordered Asus Eee pad transformer.

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just give us a high-end hardware maemo phone... im still with maemo.. loving it until now...

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It's pretty straight-forward to assume Nokia's tablets will run Windows 8. Microsoft is pretty busy these days developing Win 8 with full tablet support. And in light of the Nokia-Microsoft partnership, I assume a Windows-powered Nokia tablet is on the horizon.

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am waiting on kubuntu mobile to take off

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A cell phone should be small enough to wear like a watch, a tablet should fit easily in your pocket (5 inches max display).

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Here here! WTH Nokia? When I bought into the INTERNET TABLET form factor, with my N800, I specifically was NOT buying a smart phone and I was not buying from a smart phone line of products (770, N800, N810, N810WE). They were labeled all over the boxes as a TABLET. Going the phone route with the N900 was a good way to piss all over a market they virtually dominated at the time with almost no competition until they decided to ME TOO it against iPhone and Android, while those guys started in on their own myriad of wifi-only and cellular-enabled TABLETS with larger screens, faster processors, more memory... meanwhile, the N900 performs poorly as a phone and Maemo grows older, less enticing and less useful in light of its competitors.

I'm with you... they should never have left the TABLET form factor and if they ever hope to remain relevant as technology keeps moving on, they need to get back into it. I do fear it's far too late for them, though. Idiots.

And this is yet another reason why I think it's possibly too late for Nokia. Microsoft is NOT a compelling operating system for phones and tablets. Microsoft has been trying for YEARS--more than a decade--to come out with a good tablet. Nothing. Nothing. If Nokia expects a Windows or Windows Mobile to run on a tablet, it will compete again the far more mature and better made iOS and Android devices--and though they're the strongest competition, there's still also RIM's OS (Playbook) and HP's WebOS out there to keep in mind... and even those two are ALREADY is far more customers' hands than Microsoft's Mobile OS much less any kind of a Microsoft tablet.

I'm glad you repeatedly used the word "should" to indicate a variable opinion. :)

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Actually I was just saying this to a colleague at work yesterday morning when he was trying to get an ipad2.

I would love a beefed up N810 or N800 with a faster CPU and more ram. They are both slightly different beasts for slightly different market segments, and for a brief period it seemed that Nokia had a really sensible idea about having a product range larger than one device.

They were years ahead of their time, and apart from the CPU/RAM compare very favourably to devices like the Dell Streak 5.

Don't get me wrong, I love my N900, but there is definitely a place in the market for a tablet device(s) running Maemo, which I think is the best mobile OS so far.

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Heck, if they would just build a faster, RAM-richer N810, I'd be satisfied if they just stuck Diablo on it again!

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I would buy one. But even a modest success of such a tablet released by Nokia would be a humiliating sign of the huge profit opportunity Nokia handed to Apple by giving the tablet market to Steve just as he was ready to take maximum advantage of Nokia's lapse.

Nokia was King Midas in reverse -- just as it dropped tablets, they turned into gold.

(I wonder where that opinionated guy went who kept insisting that book readers were just a niche product while we were arguing that the N900 should have more tablet-like and ereader features? By rejecting tablets, Nokia went from a niche to the ditch.)

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This statement is false. I could tell you why but you would choose not to believe me. Regardless, here's an opinion from someone that actually owns and uses an n900 as their primary device for both computing and communication:

For being portable and pocketable, the Maemo 5 n900 is the best phone and tablet ever created. There is nothing that is better, and there is nothing that can replace it. And here in the U.S., when combined with T-Mobile and T-Mobile plans, it is the untouchable mobile computing champion.

And importantly, I'm a happy owner of an n800 and an n810. Also, I'm a former satisfied Verizon customer of over 8 years.

The Nokia tablet story is very sad; they could have owned the world.

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I'm looking for a second N900 myself -- I already bought a second one, but sold it on my friend's insistence. My short and mid-term plan is to keep the N900 as my phone but get a tablet (probably the EEE Pad Transformer in a few days). Longer term, I might replace the N900 with something like the Veer.

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Unfortunately... only we got owned by Nokia...

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Maybe we should just bind together and purchase some hardware ourselves?

http://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?...oduct_en&fsb=y

Here is a 10" running meego? specs are too low for me though
http://www.alibaba.com/product-gs/44...ive_touch.html

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I would be happy with the Galaxy Tab 7'' hw, provided it runned a full gnu-linux with X along with Android.
And, I'd add a better camera since the stock one sucks, and usb host.

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@penguinbait: can we just repurpose a popular existing device and just 'purchase/negotiate/beg for' the drivers instead?

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Just keep out the (stupidly) "top secret" propietary stuff and let me install mandriva/mageia/ubuntu/whatever on it.

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Again, can't we people be arguing that Nokia should've done both, a tablet and a phone? The N900 is damn fine as a phone if used right (which in my experience involves tweeking kernel settings for virtual memory and I/O, but still); it's just that Nokia should have realized that there is a market in both. That said, succeeding in business management beaurocracy and being actually wise enough to practically apply rudimentary understanding of humans to your products rarely is compatible.

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Again, no--not really. Concentrating on a me-too iPhone competitor diverted resources away from what was becoming a successful market of its own where Nokia was already ahead and Apple's iPod Touch (and later iPad) was the me-too device.

Besides all that, I thought the N900 wasn't a phone? At least, that seemed to be the defense for EVERY criticism put against it about all the lack of features and problems it has with being a reliable phone. The mantra been repeatedly, "It's a computer first, with phone functions." As a phone, it's pretty bad by most accounts I've read and from the known problems--your anecdotal experience aside.

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Ask Microsoft instead if they will allow Nokia too release a tablets with linux.

I dont think soo... Nokia is now working for Microsoft and they decide whats allowed. Just look at the PC market Microshit always control this.

So I guess in the future we have to bye a tablet with some Microsoft crap OS and the tweek it to make it work with some Linux dist like Meego.

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Nokia saw the n900 as a me-too iPhone competitor? Not even close for so many reasons. Here's just one of them:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YY3MSaUqMg

And the iPod touch was a 770/n800 me-too device? Again, not even close. Apple didn't even have to look past their nose for the iPod and iPad touch ideas. They got it for free:

iPod touch = iPhone - GSM - GPS - camera

iPad = iPod touch + size

Please, take off your hate colored glasses. Clinging to stale, knee-jerk, year-old comments is just conjecture.

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I always try to stay quiet with these kind of threads but I can't help it with this point.

1. I was not owned by Nokia. I am very thankful that they released such a wonderful device and I had the opportunity to use it. However I resent them for abandoning this platform. i honestly don't think there is an upgrade worth considering after the N900..I just wish it had more RAM..

2. If you don't own and use the N900 as a daily device you shouldn't speak. People will only post problems. No one will post: "Hey my N900 hasn't dropped a call in over a week!". My N900 serves me perfectly as a phone. Never had a problem with it. And I don't use features like speed dialling and whatever else is missing from normal phones. I actually don't know the features because I don't bother using them..

3. As a browser? Nothing and I repeat nothing comes close to MicroB. It is fairly fast, can handle almost any website I tried, can handle a lot of content and it hasn't been updated in at least 1.5 years. It is beyond me why Mozilla are developing Fennec and not using MicroB.

4. I like that the N900 is also a phone. I don't like having many devices. I wouldn't buy an internet tablet just like I am not considering a notebook or netbook. The N900 can do almost anything a laptop and netbook (in a smaller scale) can do, and when I need to do more powerful stuff I can use my desktop. It is very portable and for me at least replaces: mobile, notebook, mp3 player, camera, video player, GPS navigator etc. However Nokia should have continued with tablets too and release phones and tablets.

5. I hope Nokia release all the source code for Maemo and someone with more sense builds a device with updated hardware using Maemo. You say Maemo or the N900 is outdated? How can you say that when there are features missing from competitors today? Hostmode? FCam? Packet Injection? Compatible with most video formats. Browsing? And don't bother mentioning flash. that's Nokia's fault not Maemo's shortcoming. Just to name a few. When the N900 is outclassed in everything..then you can call it outdated. If you can that is...

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I've said it before and I'll say it again - Apple, like it or not, single-handedly created the demand for these so-called tablet devices. MS had been saying every year for the past 10 years or so that "this year is the year where tablet/slate computers take off". So what if Nokia had been peddling NITs for years, there just wasn't any demand for them from the general populace. Even if Nokia had been successful early on with the NITs it still could have gone the way of its smartphone business if they don't wise up to the competition.

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I didn't say Nokia said as much. They didn't have to. They took a tablet and tried to pawn it off as a phone. "TA DA! It's a computer AND a phone too!" Isn't that what a smartphone is? Isn't that where Apple clearly was ahead when the N900 was being developed and released? Isn't that where everyone else seems to be doing far better, or are you claiming this is neither a tablet nor a smartphone? :P What is it, pray tell?

Correct... a me too TABLET device--pretty much where Nokia HAD been before that.

Please, take off your peril sensitive sunglasses and take a look at the numerous complaint threads, old AND new, posted on this very forum. Numerous, I say. Speaking of knee-jerk reactions. Did they ever get around to fixing those USB ports for customers? At least on newer issues of the N900? How well are they taking care of customers? Well?

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If the n900 and the iPhone were to both be labeled "smartphones," they would be at opposite ends of the spectrum. No confusing the two, unlike Samsung Galaxy products. SNAP!

What are you going on about? The side topic was how good is the n900 when used as a phone. Stay focused.

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Please take my anecdotal experience into account also -- there's nothing wrong with the N900 as a phone in my experience.

By the way, how can you charge someone with relying on anechdotal experience who at least has an N900? Are you relying on scientific studies of the N900? What journal printed them?

I would say that for most purposes, personal experience would trump about anything. The thing that doesn't trump personal experience for sure is the kind of experience you have -- none.

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This is essentially a meego vs maemo thread. The only reason why anybody would want a nokia tablet is if
a) they prefered maemo over meego
b) brand loyalty
or
c) Investment in Nokia

I mean, we have plenty of tablet manufacturers now so it doesn't make sense to me why anybody would rely on nokia to re-enter the tablet market other than a) or c). I say this because b) isn't a rational reason at all. Before anybody says "But Nokias are built like a tank" I'd say sure they use to be but these days it seems everybody wants a higher margin since the N900 has it's fair share of problems; namely USB port (never had this problem myself), white spots on screen, camera cover popping off, stand flexure mechanism breaking, magnet coming off. Still love my N900 though.

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danramos is abill_uk with a spellchecker.

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This has nothing to do with maemo or meego, its about ME. :D

I want what I want, I never wanted meego or maemo, I want a x86 linux like experience on a small tablet. That was NEVER what was intended from the devices. Usage was somewhere between. My point is as others have asserted there was a tablet market before the n900. Make your MS phones, give us back the tablet. maemo, meego, I do not care. Hardware is all I ever asked for?

rely? no it was request

I never owned an n900, but my Nokia equipment was built solid. I would take n810 size, we just need that dual core arm :D

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Shhhhh! You don't just TELL everybody! Foreshadow it... hint at it.. see who else starts to get it too. ;) Besides--I don't rely on a spell-checker much. It helps that I had studied journalism and worked a bit in publishing for some time, too. I can't say whether abill_uk even knows that English is a capitalized proper noun. I eagerly await his scathing reply! (Hold on.. let me log out and log back in...) ;)

Well said, man! Well said!

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@Penguinbait: why not the wetab - they promise open hw and sw and from online videos it seems fully functional

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Are those even being sold? I haven't seen any anywhere so far. They did look really good!

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It's not pocketable.

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That Dell streak is 379 on Newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16834200283

Here is meego, somewhat running on it
http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/meego:streak

Some promising progress with ubuntu
http://tomasz.sterna.tv/2010/09/runn...n-dell-streak/

Its got the speed and ram and its booting linux, seems already 1/2 done to me? I would really like to find the same thing for about 200$, it would make me feel a little better about wasting money to see what may come of it. Of course if the community were to get behind a device I would be less worried about spending 400$

This place, this talk, this forum still belongs to us, the community. Maybe ITT's time for the community to set its own direction.

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they're too busy hiring [ex] Microsoft employees whose sole aim is to hijack Nokia, making it their platform to rule the mobile world.

I jest.