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niqt	2011-04-27 12:02

and now

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...=1&sf1382053=1

JohnLF

2011-04-27 12:05

Re: and now

Great - "biggest staff reductions in Symbian and MeeGo R&D"...

figures...

jedi	2011-04-27 12:12

Re: and now

For the sake of everyone else having to click the link to get some clue as to what it is:

Quote:

Nokia announces next steps in transformation

By Phil posted on the 27th of April 2011 at 8:30AM
StephenElop

ESPOO, Finland – There’s no faster moving industry in the world today than mobile technology. Take a sip of water and you’re behind in the pack. Blink your eye and watch the pack move in a different direction. Nokia sipped, blinked, then set on creating a new winning strategy in this redefined landscape. This was Nokia’s first step to transformation.

The second step was creating a clear long-term strategy for profitable growth. In Smart Devices, Nokia will build a winning ecosystem together with Microsoft using their global reach, iconic products and location services. In Mobile Phones, Nokia will realign and increase its investments to connect the next billion people to the Internet, bringing great devices and rich services to the global marketplace much quicker. And beyond great mobile products, Nokia will continue to innovate and invest in future disruptions that will define the industry in years to come.

Today Nokia announced its third and fourth steps in transformation.

Nokia laid out plans to align its global workforce and consolidate its site operations to deliver upon the new strategy, as well as the projected cost savings announced last week. Nokia expects the total reduction of personnel, across all sites and countries, to total 4,000 employees (out of approximately 65,000 worldwide, not including NSN) by the end of 2012. This includes an estimated 1,400 employees in Finland. You can read more about the impacts in Finland in our Finnish blog, Nokia Ääni. Nokian suomenkielinen blogi, Nokia Ääni, kertoo tarkemmin vaikutuksista Suomessa.

Reductions are expected to take place in phases until the end of 2012, linked to the rollout of Nokia’s planned product and services portfolio. The planned reductions will have the greatest impact on the Symbian and MeeGo R&D. In addition, approximately 3,000 employees are planned to transfer to Accenture to support the continued delivery of Symbian software development and support services. In accordance with local country legal requirements, discussions with employee representatives started today.

Nokia plans to consolidate its R&D sites so that each site has a clear strategic role and mission. Consolidating sites and activities will increase speed and accountability as Nokia ramps up capabilities and competence development on each site.

“At Nokia, we have new clarity around our path forward, which is focused on our leadership across smart devices, mobile phones and future disruptions,” said Stephen Elop, Nokia president and CEO. “However, with this new focus, we also will face reductions in our workforce. This is a difficult reality, and we are working closely with our employees and partners to identify long-term re-employment programs for the talented people of Nokia.”

Transformation at Nokia is also about ramping up. Nokia is increasing its capacity for the development of Nokia smartphones based on the Windows Phone platform, as well as increasing its overall investment in Mobile Phones and building a team to focus on future disruptions.

The fourth step is launching a comprehensive social responsibility program for employees and the communities that are likely to be affected by reductions. Nokia will invest time, money and expertise in a program to support re-employment in all the countries where the impact will be felt.

Have an in-depth look at Nokia’s social responsibility program in our next post: Nokia launches comprehensive social responsibility program for employees and communities.

OP: Please change this thread title to something vaguely relevant.

stickymick

2011-04-27 12:16

Re: and now

Well, let's face it, once MeeGo is finished what would they want a team of MeeGo developers for, when it can all be done by a more than capable community much like Maemo is now.

geneven

2011-04-27 12:22

Re: and now

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 996152)

Well, let's face it, once MeeGo is finished what would they want a team of MeeGo developers for, when it can all be done by a more than capable community much like Maemo is now.

I was just daydreaming about an Engadget headline reading something like "MeeGo community fires Nokia"... I wish.

XiliX

2011-04-27 12:40

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You guys do know that there are other hardwaredevelopers that are interested in continuing and using MeeGo, dont you?
trough google translate
Or the original site (Dutch) /Huawei-en-Panasonic-willen-ook-verder-met-MeeGo.html
So screw elop with his arrogance.

luomuhappo

2011-04-27 13:59

Re: and now

Quote:

Originally Posted by XiliX (Post 996168)

I really wish someone else picks it up and doesn't screw it like Nokia. I really like Maemo and would like to see it's successor. It has its own faults and whatnot, but it sure as hell is better than anything else on the market I've tested (Android, WinMo, Symbian, OS X).

abill_uk

2011-04-27 14:02

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OP you still have not renamed this thread, please rename ok.

Daneel

2011-04-27 14:11

Re: and now

YOU TELL HIM abill!

mscion

2011-04-27 14:43

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“At Nokia, we have new clarity around our path forward..."

If Nokia has so much clarity, maybe they should dump the n950 now (maybe they have?) before too many people waste their time on that device and find there is no support. Sorry if I'm being a bit too cynical here...

arash-m

2011-04-27 14:50

Nokia to shed 7,000 staff as part of reorganisation

The firm said 4,000 jobs worldwide would be cut - including a total of 700 jobs from Nokia's UK sites.

Nokia will also transfer a further 3,000 employees to outsourcing and consultancy group Accenture, which will take over Nokia's Symbian software.

The Finnish firm is moving from Symbian to Microsoft's smartphone technology.

The firm recently confirmed the deal with Microsoft last week to jointly develop smartphone technology, which will cut costs by about 1bn euros a year.

Under the terms of that deal, Nokia agreed to start using the Microsoft's operating system on its smartphones instead of its own Symbian platform.

"This is about keeping focus within Nokia on Windows Phone. It helps to get rid of any doubts on where this company is going," said Carolina Milanesi, an analyst at Gartner.

Nokia's response to the smartphone threat from competitors such as Apple's iPhone and phones using Google's Android system has been long been a key investor concern.

'Dark day'

In Finland, where Nokia is expected to cut 1,400 jobs, unions said the losses were not as bad as had been feared.

"This went slightly better than expected, because Nokia transfers Symbian development," said Pertti Porokari, chairman of the Union of Professional Engineers in Finland.

"These 1,400 people to be laid off are mainly MeeGo coders and they should have quite good chances to find new jobs," he added.

However, unions in the UK were not so happy.

"This is another dark day for the British economy," said Tony Burke, Unite assistant general secretary.

"What is very disheartening is that mobile phones and their associated technology are one of the growth areas in the British economy, yet this still does not stop a successful company such as Nokia throwing people out of work".

Nokia hopes that the job cuts and restructuring will also help produce savings of 1bn euros for the firm by 2013.

"With this new focus, we also will face reductions in our workforce," said Stephen Elop, Nokia president.

"This is a difficult reality, and we are working closely with our employees and partners to identify long-term re-employment programmes for the talented people of Nokia."

Mr Elop later told reporters at a press conference near Helsinki that he believed this would be the full extent of the job losses.

He added that the restructuring announcement was the "full plan for as far as we can see into the future".

[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-13207148]

sjgadsby

2011-04-27 14:53

Re: Nokia to shed 7,000 staff as part of reorganisation

Threads merged.

mikecomputing

2011-04-27 14:54

Re: and now

Quote:

Originally Posted by niqt (Post 996142)

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...=1&sf1382053=1

Elop and the rest of the directorsboard is a burning platform.

2013 Nokia RIPDEAD, Microshit owns them.

mikecomputing

2011-04-27 15:00

Re: and now

Quote:

Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 996152)

Well, let's face it, once MeeGo is finished what would they want a team of MeeGo developers for, when it can all be done by a more than capable community much like Maemo is now.

I am not even sure we will see any Meego handset from Nokia anymore...

But atleast we have MeegoDE for N900 which is progressing nicely.

jnack95

2011-04-27 15:33

Re: Nokia to shed 7,000 staff as part of reorganisation

Well...if your management decides it is no longer in the business of innovation (meego , R&D), then why not lash yourself to the slowest horse in the race (MSFT)? Really makes no sense to me....but it is typical of corporate decisions (at least in my experience). Nokia wanted north american leadership and this is what they get......I bet some talented developers at Nokia could take the meego football and score... if they are willing to sever the corporate umbilical (I recommend it).

Dave999

2011-04-27 18:48

Re: Nokia to shed 7,000 staff as part of reorganisation

I can't beleave anyone want to work with or use accenture. Every time I have worked with them they are expensive and useless and have as a policy to add lots of strange things in the contract. They won't deliver. Nokia screwed big time...

automagic68

2011-04-27 19:03

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Nokia stock is rising!

Rauha

2011-04-27 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 996362)

Only if Nokia was actually expecting something relevant to come from Accenture. Nokia allready killed Symbian months ago, what Accenture does with it doesn't really matter.

Nokia is just using Accenture as a place to dump 3000 workers. That way they save bucketloads in redundancy package costs and bad press that would come from cutting those jobs. Shameless bastards.

Dave999

2011-04-27 19:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 996371)

Ok. So accenture don't need to deliver something? And Nokia don't have to pay accenture? If that is the case they can play with the code for a year and the hit the trash and Nokia Will be fine :D

Stonik

2011-04-27 19:24

Re: Nokia to shed 7,000 staff as part of reorganisation

Elop was just interviewed in a Finnish talk show "A Plus". He's a very good talker, said that the Accenture people will be working with Symbian first and then educated to work with Windows Phone and other platforms. Windows Phone device might be coming this year, but it's announced very close on the actual sales day. He really seems to believe that the new strategy is the best way to go.

Also - there was no single word about MeeGo.

I'll post a link for the interview if it comes available online. Elop really knows how to talk, he's very convicing, but personally I believe that Windows Phone won't save Nokia. People just aren't buying WP7 devices.

Edit: The Interview (needs Flash) http://areena.yle.fi/video/1303932100425

buurmas

2011-04-27 19:25

Re: and now

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 996265)

I am not even sure we will see any Meego handset from Nokia anymore...

Quote:

Nokia now tells staff that the majority of MeeGo activities are planned to be discontinued by the end of June 2012, adding: "The Windows Phone organization has started to ramp up its operations and a large part of that organization will be in place by the end of 2011, and Nokia aims to retain as many people as possible from other areas, such as the Symbian and MeeGo organizations.

One question I have -- is this consistent with what we've already been told, which is that of releasing one Harmattan device and keeping MeeGo around for experimentation and future disruptions? Or are they no longer keeping MeeGo around for anything beyond supporting the to-be-existing Harmattan device?

Rauha

2011-04-27 19:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 996375)

Ok. So accenture don't need to deliver something? And Nokia don't have to pay accenture? If that is the case they can play with the code for a year and the hit the trash and Nokia Will be fine :D

Pretty much yes.

Accenture is the hospice where Symbian goes to die, and Nokia saves a bundle along the way. It would cost Nokia more to employ those people for an extra year and then pay decent package once they get fired.

tissot

2011-04-27 20:18

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What's Accenture getting out of this was my first thought? Because i'm sure we all are thinking the same thing that Rauha is.
It has been officially announced that Symbian will be killed and to me it actually looks like it's happening a bit faster than i thought.

Btw here's parts of the interview that Elop did 30 minutes ago.

Also direct link to the 20 minutes video.

woody14619

2011-04-27 20:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buurmas (Post 996386)

I think they will still release a MeeGo device b/c they have promised to do so. I wonder now if they will do the minimum needed to keep this promise and then bug out.

It wouldn't be the first promise they've broken... and I'm sure not the last. Sadly, I see this as the death of the 950, to the point it may not make it past the prototype. Who's going to buy or develop for a device from a company that now has 0 people working on it? You need at least a small core just to do maintenance, since nothing is 100% perfect. If they're really releasing all the engineers working on it, before it even launches, go odds it's vapor.

max_power

2011-04-27 20:43

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i am very sad ... i had this feeling about nokia and maemo/meego when Ari Jaaksi left nokia.

bugelrex

2011-04-27 20:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jnack95 (Post 996283)

Well...if your management decides it is no longer in the business of innovation (meego , R&D), then why not lash yourself to the slowest horse in the race (MSFT)? .

Referring to software only, please tell me what "innovation" these 7,000 laid off developers came up with?

So many resources yet so little accomplished (half finished Maemo, latest Symbian which only competes at 2007-2008 levels). Clearly they are just dead-weight losers or the biggest mis-management EVER (prior to Elop)!

If you're not a developer, you wont understand that 7,000 developers is a STAGGERING number to have so little accomplished.

x61	2011-04-27 20:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnLF (Post 996143)

Great - "biggest staff reductions in Symbian and MeeGo R&D"...

figures...

This further sinks Nokia. Let the Engineers go work for Nokia competitors.

bugelrex

2011-04-27 21:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by x61 (Post 996427)

This further sinks Nokia. Let the Engineers go work for Nokia competitors.

Based on so little they achieved.. I don't think they'll be wanted. I would only hire
- microb developers
- voip developers
- maemo developers

The rest should find a new profession

tissot

2011-04-27 21:09

Re: Nokia to shed 7,000 staff as part of reorganisation

Nokia got by far the largest R&D department and costs in the business.

The plan already announced by Elop earlier was that they will shed 1 billion from Devices and Services till 2013 where i'm sure most goes away of R&D. If that whole billion would go away from R&D Nokia would still be tied number one with Samsung in the R&D department. Way way ahead of Apple, RIM, Motorola etc.

Just maybe it was about time to get some sense to that side that has clearly been running on circles.

Nokia's+NSN combined R&D is $7.8 billion in 2010. More than Google or IBM.

delmar

2011-04-27 21:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by buurmas (Post 996386)

I think they will still release a MeeGo device b/c they have promised to do so. I wonder now if they will do the minimum needed to keep this promise and then bug out.

There is also a leaked memo out there:

One question I have -- is this consistent with what we've already been told, which is that of releasing one Harmattan device and keeping MeeGo around for experimentation and future disruptions? Or are they no longer keeping MeeGo around for anything beyond supporting the to-be-existing Harmattan device?

Dejavu. It is a repetition of what happened with N900 and Maemo.

Rugoz

2011-04-27 21:36

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Oh dear, accenture (!), meego dead. Depending on microsoft tech. Nice.

buurmas

2011-04-28 02:33

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jo21	2011-04-28 02:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mscion (Post 996252)

no i agree, why would anyone buy something that it gotta being stop development after july 2012.

its the thing nokia it's failing to see, u can't convert 100% to a platform never happen. they will jump else ware especially when nokia now known of offering no support and dropping complete in less than a year.

abill_uk

2011-04-28 02:50

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It should be so obvious to everyone now that Nokia are well on the way with Microsoft and Windows and MeeGo and Maemo have been dropped alltogether making way for future Windows OS.

As for the 950 it was only ever a passing thought by Nokia so i think we can safetly forget production will ever happen and just wait for what comes out of the merger.

We are in for quite a shock i am sure from Nokia but good or bad i hesitate on.

geneven

2011-04-28 03:05

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Well, I'm a proud owner of the Timex/Sinclair 2068, which was released shortly before the Sinclair computer became history. The funny thing is, it was a very nice computer, what with COLOR and all. So, if there ever is an N950, it might be worth buying.

abill_uk

2011-04-28 03:21

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Yes i agree Geneven and also for the N900 it is a great little computer that will only function as we programme it to do but what i like about it most is the what could be possible with nothing closed driver wise, only then could we see a device as capable of the Timex/Sinclair 2068.

mscion

2011-04-28 11:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 996549)

Well, given all the improvements and enhanced capabilities of the n900 made by the maemo community, if the n950 is a great device, you folks will make it greater and I would certainly buy it. That is, as long as it has a QWERTY keyboard...

mishmich

2011-04-28 11:55

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None of this makes sense to me any more.

It's like Nokia is doing its best to piss people off, TBH.

vkv.raju

2011-04-28 12:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by geneven (Post 996549)

[could be wrong but] the only difference I see is your Timex/Sinclair 2068 was probably made with good intentions. It is almost sure that N950 won't have that advantage!

vkv.raju

2011-04-28 12:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bugelrex (Post 996438)

Based on so little they achieved.. I don't think they'll be wanted. I would only hire
- microb developers
- voip developers
- maemo developers

The rest should find a new profession

Discussing this now could be a wrong time but I sort of understand and agree to your comment.

Just wished that some significant workforce to be put behind MeeGo. No hopes now! SAD :(

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