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Black Plowman 2011-05-01 16:22

Apple bans it workers the right to commit suicide.
 
Better than Monty Python:D

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...ted-inhumanely

bandora 2011-05-01 16:58

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lol 10 character limit

droitwichgas 2011-05-01 17:15

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"There was a copy effect. If one commits suicide, then others will follow."

First time I've heard anybody say that before!!

gerbick 2011-05-01 20:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 998363)
Is there such thing as a 'right to commit suicide'?

Yep. Kevorkian thought so.

ceroberts75 2011-05-01 21:03

Re: Apple bans it workers the right to commit suicide.
 
Quote:

Excessive overtime is routine, despite a legal limit of 36 hours a month. One payslip, seen by the Observer, indicated that the worker had performed 98 hours of overtime in a month

youve got to be kidding me! dont tell the westerners about the rough hours they are putting becuase they are working 40-70 hours PER WEEK here.....not 134/mo.

Hootenholler 2011-05-01 21:04

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Woo said: "Suicides were not connected to bad working conditions. There was a copy effect. If one commits suicide, then others will follow."

... Thought the last part was Apple's latest slogan.

Also, if I jumped out of a window, I'd probably shout "Wooooooo!"

canabal 2011-05-01 21:31

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The copy effect is very real for suicides. Read the book "The Tipping Point" and there is a long section about it.

maxximuscool 2011-05-01 21:51

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ahaha buying an Apple "i" product is like buying blood dimonds from Africa :)

stlpaul 2011-05-01 22:11

Re: Apple bans it workers the right to commit suicide.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ceroberts75 (Post 998504)
youve got to be kidding me! dont tell the westerners about the rough hours they are putting becuase they are working 40-70 hours PER WEEK here.....not 134/mo.

The article says their standard work week is 48 hours/week. Extra 24.5 overtime per week would be 72.5 hours per week. And that's assuming they are actually getting credit for all hours worked, which I doubt...

Where do you get this 134 hours/month figure?

stlpaul 2011-05-01 22:15

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Before you make fun of Apple, know that Nokia also uses the same factories from foxconn in china

stickymick 2011-05-01 22:16

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"....workers were asked to sign a statement promising not to kill themselves and pledging to "treasure their lives".

Read as "You die and you're fired". http://fc03.deviantart.net/images3/i...f_stab_YAY.gif

scribbles 2011-05-01 22:18

Re: Apple bans it workers the right to commit suicide.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 998363)
Is there such thing as a 'right to commit suicide'?

In China, you have no rights... Not even to kill yourself.

HellFlyer 2011-05-01 22:18

Re: Apple bans it workers the right to commit suicide.
 
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full...-humancentipad


And you here dare to talk about suicide :D

ceroberts75 2011-05-01 22:24

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Quote:

Excessive overtime is routine, despite a legal limit of 36 hours a month. One payslip, seen by the Observer, indicated that the worker had performed 98 hours of overtime in a month.
oops... i goofed... this was just the overtime. appologies. :/

jedi 2011-05-02 07:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scribbles (Post 998544)
In China, you have no rights... Not even to kill yourself.

You do realise that in many countries around the world suicide is illegal and is a criminal offense?

scoobydoo 2011-05-02 07:57

Re: Apple bans it workers the right to commit suicide.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jedi (Post 998697)
You do realise that in many countries around the world suicide is illegal and is a criminal offense?

as far as i'm aware suicide in uk is legal but attempted suicide is illigal so my understanding is fail and your breaking the law

blipnl 2011-05-02 08:11

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This is all too logical. Apple people have a long history of copying each others, I bet the poor fellas were still on 3GS..

ejasmudar 2011-05-02 08:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobydoo (Post 998717)
as far as i'm aware suicide in uk is legal but attempted suicide is illigal so my understanding is fail and your breaking the law

Hahahah, the absurdity of this statement!!!
So, if suicide is illegal, what are they gonna do? Fine that corpse's jive ***???

casper27 2011-05-02 08:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by scoobydoo (Post 998717)
as far as i'm aware suicide in uk is legal but attempted suicide is illigal so my understanding is fail and your breaking the law

Wiki says
"The Suicide Act 1961 (9 & 10 Eliz.2 c.60) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It decriminalised the act of suicide so that those who failed in the attempt would no longer be prosecuted."

Mentalist Traceur 2011-05-02 08:20

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Doesn't matter if anyone has a right to suicide (ethically, I mean; legalities are either in line with an ethic you can logically argue for, or they're just the product of sociological norms and have no meaningful normative merit).

The only right anyone has to stop people from committing suicide is making their conditions better so that they don't feel that life isn't worth living anymore. Failing that, preventing the suicide is effectively proactively contributing to prolonging that person's suffering.

stickymick 2011-05-02 09:11

Re: Apple bans it workers the right to commit suicide.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by casper27 (Post 998731)
Wiki says
"The Suicide Act 1961 (9 & 10 Eliz.2 c.60) is an Act of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It decriminalised the act of suicide so that those who failed in the attempt would no longer be prosecuted."

They still are though. AFAIK 3 attempted suicides have been charged with public order offences in the past few months.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 998732)
Doesn't matter if anyone has a right to suicide (ethically, I mean; legalities are either in line with an ethic you can logically argue for, or they're just the product of sociological norms and have no meaningful normative merit).

The only right anyone has to stop people from committing suicide is making their conditions better so that they don't feel that life isn't worth living anymore. Failing that, preventing the suicide is effectively proactively contributing to prolonging that person's suffering.

Only in the ideal world, sadly. The majority of people who take their own lives are either under extreme pressure from outside interference, i.e Divorce or personal tragedy and mental illness, which in turn is heavily discriminated against.


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