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kardz 2011-05-23 17:03

Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900

datjomp 2011-05-23 17:20

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Here´s a guide for the brave ones who want to try it

http://wiki.meego.com/N900

cfh11 2011-05-23 17:41

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
heres hoping this improves on the putrid 45s it takes to launch the browser and the 12s it takes to wake up from idle... still glad to see progress though :)

keithzg 2011-05-23 19:08

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
The speed of the microSDHC card used surely has a fair amount to do with speed as well. I've been eying the Patriot LX series Class 10 cards; they're fairly cheap ($22 CDN for 8GB). Has anyone tried different cards on the DE and noticed any improvement and/or any particularly decent cards?

Sadly the "class" rating is based on speed measurements that don't really correspond to the kind of random access of an OS running on such a card, so it's only a rough estimation of *probably* how fast the microSDHC cards would be for a MeeGo install.

kralde 2011-05-23 19:17

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
How can I install meego in the eMMC with dual boot? :S

AndiThebest 2011-05-23 19:22

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
on my class4 microSD its still horrible slow... *surprising* ;)
telephony seems not working for me.
on wifi, i get an ip, but no network connection/ping is working.

mikecomputing 2011-05-23 19:28

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AndiThebest (Post 1013834)
on my class4 microSD its still horrible slow... *surprising* ;)
telephony seems not working for me.
on wifi, i get an ip, but no network connection/ping is working.

I have always must reboot once before wifi works. FOr some reason the MAC adress is twisted first boot:

https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16119

Maybe a reason for you too?

AndiThebest 2011-05-23 20:05

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1013836)
I have always must reboot once before wifi works. FOr some reason the MAC adress is twisted first boot:

https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16119

Maybe a reason for you too?

Tried a second boot. mac seems ok im terminal. network still won't work. maybe an issue with wpa2?

elie-7 2011-05-23 20:38

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
do you know what would be awesome ? if someone can upload some screenshots, because i have a class 10 memory card and i want to know if its worth using it ;)

object 2011-05-23 20:47

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
It's worth playing, but not worth using. UIs are half done or less, comparing to Maemo. It looks good, anyway, kinda, I think. I was thinking of making a video, but.. it looks more like a disappointment at this state. Daily use? I'd pick a T68 instead.

renowong 2011-05-23 20:50

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by elie-7 (Post 1013901)
do you know what would be awesome ? if someone can upload some screenshots, because i have a class 10 memory card and i want to know if its worth using it ;)

I don't know how to get the screenshots from Meego, but I just tried it.
I installed it on my class 6 mmc and booted.
It takes about 2 minutes to load up and once you get on the desktop, one would think that things will be faster, but I got important lags when trying to even unlock the phone.
Launching applications is also very slow, even the dialer.
The whole system seem pretty stable apart from a minor error, but is unusable as a daily OS for now.

object 2011-05-23 21:58

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
5 Attachment(s)
Here are some quickies, no more from me :p

shadowjk 2011-05-24 01:52

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
I've seen tests of booting Gnome on BeagleBoard using various microsd cards.

All the class 10 were about 5 times slower than the fastest cards (which were class 4 top-ram and class 2 sandisks).

ceroberts75 2011-05-24 02:02

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
pops up with a desktop of the golden gate bridge.

i am using a class4...but still slow.

cant believe it took nokia 2 years to come up with this!

it has a very fast orientation switching, and the ux looks and feels much better, but still way too slow on the class4 card.

was no problem at all to put it on my extra n900. added a contact, tried to make a call outbound was a no go, but the inbound, the phone rang, however, you couldnt answer it...my guess is because it was booted from the mmc card.

internet was a no-go, though it was no problem to connect to wifi. i didnt try again on the hspa connection. email could not be set up. ???!!!

there has to be more to this or for sure it will not be released very soon.

while there is a big difference between the SFDE and the 1.1, it still doesnt function as good as the 9000i communicator did back in 1996! :-o

ceroberts75 2011-05-24 02:04

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
how didyou get the screen shots? ctrl+shift+p?

abill_uk 2011-05-24 03:19

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Some good screen shots from Object but my god is this all it amounts too after all this time?.

ceroberts75 2011-05-24 03:21

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
yup....thats it...two years in the making.

abill_uk 2011-05-24 03:29

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
What with whats going on in the MeeGo conference and looking at the progress todate it does look somewhat bleak, am not suprised people aint happy.
I think we can safetly say Nokia is out of MeeGo for WP7 to be there new OS.

Oh well we just have to keep waiting i guess.

CooL_HunK 2011-05-24 03:33

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
its sad for me that i cannot install that 3.55 Gb raw file onto my 2gb sdcard.. :( can anybody help me with that ? plzzzz

Daneel 2011-05-24 03:37

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Its sad for me that i cannot wear size 8 shoes on my size 12 foot.. :( can anyone help me with that? plzzz

Frappacino 2011-05-24 03:40

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
why the surprise ?

progress has been available to anyone who wanted to check on it

cenwesi 2011-05-24 03:42

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Lol, i wish everyone will just forget about meego. It is not going to happen. We really need to teach nokia a lesson here. Even if there release Meego or what ever they decide to call it, it will not survive the market. I hate to say it WMP7 or which ever one ms is releasing tomorrow has a better chance of surviving that Meego will ever have.

PS: Nokia just like Sony will NEVER get my money again.

cenwesi 2011-05-24 03:44

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 1014122)
why the surprise ?

progress has been available to anyone who wanted to check on it

lol, progress my ***. If this is what you call progress after 2yrs then you really need to smell the competition out there.

TMavica 2011-05-24 03:51

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
how to dualboot with kernel power v47 installed..??

Frappacino 2011-05-24 04:02

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
lol - right now i am being slammed has a meego supporter

rofls tmo has come full circle

CowMan 2011-05-24 04:16

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Just switched 1.2.80 to 1.1.99 DE, currently booting power kernel, stock, & Nitdroid U12/May as well. As it comes up every thread - I followed mostly these instructions (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73146) to get it multi-booting.

A bit slow, likely on account of the SD card. DE is better than the 1.2.80 version, in that it detects screen size properly. Didn't poke too much at it, but was able to make a phone call to the wife and take some pictures. SMS program crashed & wouldn't close so didn't get to try. Also, battery wouldn't charge. Long way to go...

kanishou 2011-05-24 08:09

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
This is not indicative of anything, don't worry. Just something to play with and hack on.

abill_uk 2011-05-24 08:12

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cenwesi (Post 1014123)
Lol, i wish everyone will just forget about meego. It is not going to happen. We really need to teach nokia a lesson here. Even if there release Meego or what ever they decide to call it, it will not survive the market. I hate to say it WMP7 or which ever one ms is releasing tomorrow has a better chance of surviving that Meego will ever have.

PS: Nokia just like Sony will NEVER get my money again.

With comments like this and i know it is a common feeling among everyone who wants progress to happen it is clear proof that MeeGo is just not making the grade and to be honest if the latest release of MeeGo DE is all they can do then i would fold up go home and forget it after this length of time.

I have been critical before with good reason to be and now we see the proof in the pudding so to speak, i am totally shocked at the so called wonderfull progress of MeeGo.

People judge by performance and stskeeps needs to read just how it is and stop dreaming.

abill_uk 2011-05-24 08:13

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 1014122)
why the surprise ?

progress has been available to anyone who wanted to check on it

What progress are you talking about here? or are you dreaming yet again ;)

abill_uk 2011-05-24 08:16

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
If the truth was known then the current state of MeeGo is no more than a days worth of development put together and released.

My god i have done more in an hour than these so called devs have done to date.

tkatchev 2011-05-24 08:36

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
To all the mentally-challenged people posting here:

1. Meego is an Intel project. As of today, Nokia has nothing at all to do with Meego.

2. Meego DE for the N900 is a essentially a volunteer project, not a "Nokia mobile OS".

The point of Meego DE for the N900 is to provide a way for early-adopting developers to start programming apps that will eventually run on Intel's Meego phones.

abill_uk 2011-05-24 08:50

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tkatchev (Post 1014210)
To all the mentally-challenged people posting here:

1. Meego is an Intel project. As of today, Nokia has nothing at all to do with Meego.

2. Meego DE for the N900 is a essentially a volunteer project, not a "Nokia mobile OS".

The point of Meego DE for the N900 is to provide a way for early-adopting developers to start programming apps that will eventually run on Intel's Meego phones.

Tell us something we do not know ! and you talk about Intels future devices, you need to get a grip and realise we are talking about the N900 and yes than means the NOKIA N900 not an Intel MeeGo device.

In a weeks time it will be the 6th month of the year and how long has development been going on in the MeeGo dept?, please do have a look at the current status as it is no more than a very basic ui with nothing going for it at all AND it has to be run externally from an sd, this is no more than maybe a couple of hours work in any developers eyes and yes i was a developer once for your information so i can talk with experiance.

Do something constructive and get the code from Nokia for the 900 and you will be doing something very very usefull for everyone, untill then please stop dreaming as it is now a joke.

Do me a favour now and open your eyes please.

benny1967 2011-05-24 08:54

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ceroberts75 (Post 1014094)
how didyou get the screen shots? ctrl+shift+p?

+1


would like to know how to make screenshots in meego de

abill_uk 2011-05-24 08:59

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Microsoft hold the field and have done so for many years regardless of who hates them and now Nokia have been more or less made part of them you will see only Microsoft products coming out of Nokia and that means Maemo and MeeGo will cease totally, now this has happened we are left with a handfull of devs working on an adaption of MeeGo for the N900 and i can bet you they will soon scurry along to Microsoft and forget alltogether the project because devs go where the money is, a simple eqation no?.

I have said all along Meego is and always will be a no go for the N900 and you look at many of my previous posts you will see.

I have more than one 900 so i once again will repeat myself and say i have a big interest in an os for the 900 as many owners do too.

Maemo is dead MeeGo is nothing more than a desktop so what are people to think now?.

PS i made a typo i spelt equation wrong now look at that.

qwertyberty 2011-05-24 09:08

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1014200)
What progress are you talking about here? or are you dreaming yet again ;)

And what of your progress ?
A member here since Feb 2010 and you are still the same whining dirt bag over a year later.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk;
My god i have done more in an hour than these so called devs have done to date.

Now who's dreaming.
I've never before responded to the ridiculous posts you spew out, Nor will I do so again.
But it is views such as yours that damage the community and the enthusiasm of developers.

You want some progress from maemo/meego?
Then leave here and don't come back.
This Community will blossom without you.

Today you are joining my ignore list so don't waste any of your time replying.

longcat 2011-05-24 09:09

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
Okay, can anyone help me with dual boot?

I've flashed meego san francisco image to mmc, flashed vmlinuz with flasher, tried it and it's okay.

Now, I have power-kernel-47 and multiboot. As far as I could see there is no way to set up meego to dual boot with multiboot, or I'm missing something.

Uboot procedure is again incompatible with 47, right ?

Help?

object 2011-05-24 09:13

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
I ssh -X to run the xwd script on a PC. It was wrapped in a script coz I didn't know how to type | and > in xterm.

I didn't pay much attention to the completeness of the UI as I'm more interested in making Objective-C based mobile development environment with GNUstep. And I found Meego a good ground for that. The UI may not a well done coz it wasn't designed well. Designing a good UI needs more contributions from HCI people and it could be worth waiting before the actual implementations so they don't need to redo it over and over but even that it still could end up looking and feeling like Maemo.

PS. I failed to get import working that's why i use xwd.

abill_uk 2011-05-24 09:15

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
If i had the original code for the N900 then even i would have a crack at it and do a hell of a lot more then has been done so far but there is the problem you see and untill the day Nokia release everything for their abondoned device we will have the same thing over and over with nothing more than a put together that does not work very well at all if at all.

TMO is for the N900 so why does it not push for the code needed? have you any idea at all what difference it would make if it was available?.

object 2011-05-24 09:26

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
The problem with Maemo was that the application layer was poorly designed and end up mixing layers that should be separated so the lower level architecture could be discussed in a different context.

tkatchev 2011-05-24 09:31

Re: Nokia900 1.2 meego DE released (san francisco release)
 
We are talking about Meego, which is a Linux OS targetted for future Intel smartphones.

What you are talking about I'm not sure, you're not always coherent.

Anyways, to reiterate:

1. The Meego DE is interesting only if you want a sneak-peak at how future Meego phones will work under the hood, or if you want to get a head start on programming future Meego apps right now.

2. The Nokia N900 is a fantastic device, but it is finished, in all respects of the word. If you're waiting for a new OS for the device or for extended support -- please don't, it's never gonna happen.

3. There will never, ever be a Nokia Meego device. There's no point in even discussing this possibility.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1014222)
Tell us something we do not know ! and you talk about Intels future devices, you need to get a grip and realise we are talking about the N900 and yes than means the NOKIA N900 not an Intel MeeGo device.

In a weeks time it will be the 6th month of the year and how long has development been going on in the MeeGo dept?, please do have a look at the current status as it is no more than a very basic ui with nothing going for it at all AND it has to be run externally from an sd, this is no more than maybe a couple of hours work in any developers eyes and yes i was a developer once for your information so i can talk with experiance.

Do something constructive and get the code from Nokia for the 900 and you will be doing something very very usefull for everyone, untill then please stop dreaming as it is now a joke.

Do me a favour now and open your eyes please.



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