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glassflag 2011-05-25 17:31

Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
According to Eldar Murtazin.

debernardis 2011-05-25 17:40

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
I thought 42 was a much more interesting number.

jerryfreak 2011-05-25 17:45

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
so it will be $600 then...

zdanee 2011-05-25 17:53

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Oh, joy. Now I wish it had a name like N950-00a, so nobody would buy it just because N9-is-higher-than-N8, only those that know what it is. Like me :)

cfh11 2011-05-25 18:04

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
it might as well say "according to the homeless guy i met yesterday" - that would be just about as credible as a tweet from eldar these days

Mentalist Traceur 2011-05-25 18:12

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Maybe I'm just old like that, at 20 years old and all, but when something shows up on Twitter, for one, my first thought isn't that it's reliable factual information.

Second, Eldar Murtazin? Really? Really? I think experience shows us he's almost always wrong, except by rare coincidence.

yodawg 2011-05-25 18:21

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
if its true then this is horrible news

it will probobly get no support, have bugs, and all the like since they branded it a "niche device"

i was hoping they would have healthy production, spend plenty on a marketing blitz and all that jazz so we the buyers know we have a winner on our hands with strong support from Nokia

glassflag 2011-05-25 20:08

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 1015306)
Maybe I'm just old like that, at 20 years old and all, but when something shows up on Twitter, for one, my first thought isn't that it's reliable factual information.

Second, Eldar Murtazin? Really? Really? I think experience shows us he's almost always wrong, except by rare coincidence.

Funny that because when I read opinions posted by pundits on forums my first thought isn't that it is worth taking any notice of.

Twitter isn't the source, it's the medium. Eldar Murtazin is the source.

And from what I've ever heard he's rather accurate. For example Nokia has just announced the Oro -- which he said November last year was coming.

The fact that Nokia had Russian police raid his house says everything I need to know about his credibility.

Mentalist Traceur 2011-05-25 20:35

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by glassflag (Post 1015446)
Funny that because when I read opinions posted by pundits on forums my first thought isn't that it is worth taking any notice of.

Twitter isn't the source, it's the medium. Eldar Murtazin is the source.

Cute, though I concede you're right that forums and twitter are equally credible as mediums. Either way, Eldar Murtazin is not that reliable.

Quote:

And from what I've ever heard he's rather accurate. For example Nokia has just announced the Oro -- which he said November last year was coming.

The fact that Nokia had Russian police raid his house says everything I need to know about his credibility.
The fact that that's a mistatement of what exactly happened with the Russian police thing is rather informative regarding your qualifications for what you need to know.

hawaii 2011-05-25 22:40

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
As unfortunate for many of you and sad as it may seem, that number is an accurate estimate.

The Dali is aimed at developers. The Lankku is the consumer slate. Anything non-WP7 has taken an extremely, extremely low priority. MeeGo is going to sit under a heat lamp in the back while WP7 is put on main display.

volt 2011-05-25 22:54

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 1015306)

Second, Eldar Murtazin? Really? Really? I think experience shows us he's almost always wrong, except by rare coincidence.

That's just your hatred for the man, right there. A lot of his rover leaks were dead on, and he was the only one who got anything right. I'm amazed at all the hate he's been getting here, but his intel is better than anyone else's, as far as what I've seen.

Maybe the man isn't all that likeable for some, but he has connections.

IsaacDFP 2011-05-25 23:03

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 1015306)
Eldar Murtazin? Really? Really? I think experience shows us he's almost always wrong, except by rare coincidence.

Out of curiosity, when has he been wrong? Most of the things I've heard in the past he has been right. I can't really recall him making a mistake...

jakiman 2011-05-25 23:05

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Do we know how many N900's were made/sold??

GreatGonzo 2011-05-25 23:19

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Personally I give rats about having a 'niche' device. As long as it is open enough to do things with and TO it that is all I need.
Feeling pretty comfy in my niche - Fxxx the majority.
Fact is nokia makes the best hardware so I'd like to stay with it.

uppercase 2011-05-25 23:47

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
First he said the N9 will be dropped, now that we've seen the leaks he claims for funny low production numbers. Three month from now he will say that the handset is full of bugs and not ready for market. How can you even predict production numbers ? Do they break the molds when 92,000 has reached ?

volt 2011-05-25 23:50

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Nokia has like 20000000 models, it's not like it's the first time they'd end a production run to make something else at the same factory. As to the source, it seems to me like his contacts are closer to the production sites than Nokia management. That could mean he'll get fingers on prototypes without knowing what they really intend to do with them, or that he'd be able to get info on things like how many screens ordered, etc.

Also, I don't mind being in a niche except that I know niches get left behind all the time.

microe 2011-05-25 23:56

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 1015588)
As unfortunate for many of you and sad as it may seem, that number is an accurate estimate.

The Dali is aimed at developers. The Lankku is the consumer slate. Anything non-WP7 has taken an extremely, extremely low priority. MeeGo is going to sit under a heat lamp in the back while WP7 is put on main display.

I'm with you. When I saw that number my first thought was, How many N900s were made? I bet that there weren't that many made.

nwerneck 2011-05-26 00:04

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jakiman (Post 1015606)
Do we know how many N900's were made/sold??

Unfortunately, not. The closest we ever got from an estimate was when Gartner reported only 100,000 devices would have been sold in 5 months, but then someone at Nokia said it was actually 100,000 in 5 _weeks_, not months.

http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/it...s-100000_i.php

volt 2011-05-26 00:11

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
That's probably because we forum users had three each on preorder, and bought up the whole production stock - they ALL sold out in less than 5 weeks! :p

shmerl 2011-05-26 00:19

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
No, it should be 92,304. Or may be not? Where does that number come from anyway?

volt 2011-05-26 00:24

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1015644)
No, it should be 92,304. Or may be not? Where does that number come from anyway?

Sounds like it came from a part order to me. Or from someone's donkeyparts.

sony123 2011-05-26 01:33

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
eldar (yet again) have said slightly more than 100k N900 were sold.
(And how many of them are used as developer device is another thing...)

ARJWright 2011-05-26 01:49

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by uppercase (Post 1015629)
First he said the N9 will be dropped, now that we've seen the leaks he claims for funny low production numbers. Three month from now he will say that the handset is full of bugs and not ready for market. How can you even predict production numbers ? Do they break the molds when 92,000 has reached ?

Yes, he did say that it was dropped. The first N9 (remember, that's a marketing name, not the system/internal name) was rumored not just by him but by folks here as being put on the back burner. It wasn't long after that the MeeGo alignment came to light.

His initial comments about the N9 were that he loved the hadrware, but the software was too rough to make assumptions towards. Most recently, he called the entire product garbage. There's about a 9 month outlay between those. If anything, he's *not* said that its an immature product - only that its late, and its management is one of the many ills that Nokia's current product run has going against it.

Production runs, especially on the scale that Nokia tends to release devices, are always approximated. Many times, these numbers aren't that far off, with the exception of successes (the 5800 was a bit unexpected because it was late, the N900 got a bit more run even though it was late and unfinished, etc.) Any company that's been running things for as long as Nokia has plans and rolls pretty efficiently (remember, they've essentially defined leadership in mobile for a decade, and technically, they still lead even after bleeding 10+% of marketshare while increasing sales). It is a rare case when Nokia isn't able to meet production needs for their products, and usually, its so far down the line in terms of components that they can usually get another contractor to fill what is missing - companies of all kinds would kill for that kind of logistical efficiency.

So yes, they break molds at 92K, they even break molds at 1000. It all depends on what the market is, what the company wants to bear/support, and in the end, whether the mark is worth it to the shareholders.

I say all of this not because I'm a fan of Eldar, but because he has been more right than wrong. And normally, its his attitude that comes across to many as a cancer, not his facts.

gerbick 2011-05-26 01:53

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Since Nokia never gives out numbers of anything sold since the N95 and 5800 days and devices, there's not going to be a way to verify this.

So... I say it's 92,001. I've decided.

mscion 2011-05-26 02:01

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
So, say they were sold at $500 to $600. Here I've assumed just as unlocked phone with no contract. At 92,000 units thats about $50 million gross or so. What would be a good estimate of their net?

frostbyte 2011-05-27 16:14

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
@gerbick, you are absolutely correct. 92,000 + the one shown on the leaked video. Take that Eldar.

casper27 2011-05-27 17:02

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
I always wish there was a yawn button/face everytime I hear about the Oricle that is Eldar.........zzzzzzzzzz

Radicalz38 2011-05-28 02:03

Re: Only 92,000 units of N9 will be produced?
 
Eldar Murtazin = Family Radio
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Epic Fail
http://www.independent.co.uk/multime...ng_587187a.jpg

:D


Quote:

Originally Posted by frostbyte (Post 1016858)
@gerbick, you are absolutely correct. 92,000 + the one shown on the leaked video. Take that Eldar.

You forgot another one... The one I saw on the trash can at nokia factory because the GPU chip was bitten by a stray dog :p


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