Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Since the ban on abill_uk was lifted, he has been constantly been a force on talk.maemo.org that is causing more and more people to leave this place. And to prevent more of them leaving, I'd like to petition the talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk from here.

My key argument against abill_uk is that he is a person that has rapidily changing moods and sometimes even personalities and is flooding the forum with baseless, uninformed discussions and rants. He is often seen baselessly accusing people who actually contributes to the progression of the community one day, then loving them the other day, then hating them on another. He wears out the people who are contributing by endless and unconstructive discussion and currently, this causes them to leave instead.

You can review his post history through this URL and make your own conclusions, please do before voting as to be informed:

http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=finduser&u=33715

(Read answers to his posts ideally too)

In short, your vote will mean:

Yes - you want talk.maemo.org to be a constructive place where people work together in friendly community towards improving their device experiences. Please ban abill_uk as I agree that his behaviour is unacceptable here.

No - the inverse.


My vote will be 'Yes'. I find my own stay here incompatible with abill_uk's stay here. My posting record is published at http://talk.maemo.org/search.php?do=finduser&u=17313 - help decide if you want more of this, or abill_uk's type of discussion.

I'll be on forum.meego.com handset forums if I am banned for this petition, but after all my contribution to this forum, I feel this petition is needed to ensure a constructive future for talk.maemo.org.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

If only you did as much work on MeeGo it would get somewhere !.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

what as TMO come to, this is hilarious :D

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Dont worry if they do i will come back and HAUNT him :p

I have seen everything now omg what is happening here?.
Should i start a similar poll to permanently ban stskeeps too?.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I've spent a long time trying to channel him into correct thinking and challanging him to be creative, I too think I've come to a point where I can no longer benifit the maemo.org community through talk.maemo.org with him around. As much as I hate this kind of movement in any community, he is the only person actively posting I'd agree with banning.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

let admin decide now,simply ,petition has been registered ..hope you dont get the next date of hearing ))
good luck

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

You're not helping your case.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

This is sooooo funny it really is, talk about someone who does something wrong and i would understand but this..... he just hates the fact i started a Poll to get Maemo further devloped as he is direct competition to all that and this just proves everything i was thinking.

What should be happening is clearly not and that is Maemo and MeeGo working together not battling eachother !!!.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

We have heard the prosecutions case why we should vote YES, Now I'd like to hear from The defence before I make up my mind and pass judgement with a YES or NO.
So Abill state your case for a No Vote before the Bench retires.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I voted to ban him, but in all honesty he'll just create another account, it's easier to put him on the ignore list, as everyone sane should, so at least he can be contained, I honestly feel sorry for him, I don't think he's a troll, he's just intellectually challenged.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Vote YES !.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Wish granted its not looking too good for you now abill

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

@abill: I suggest you do a deep personal reflection and analyze why it has come to this point than to just immediately lash out with the first emotion/thing that comes through your mind and dig a deeper hole...

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

And this is his first reply. Do we even need a poll?

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

this is an extremely silly request - every user has their OWN ignore button - if they want to ignore abill - they can. He says negative **** but if ppl dont want to hear it they can ignore him. Who are YOU to make this decision for them ?

I have seen ppl post links to pirate games here. Vi even posted code posing as help that got 1 newb's phone wiped. Both of these are FAR worse offences and I dont see you asking for these guys to be banned.

Not to mention he can always create a new account or use a proxy if he is persistent enough - your request does not solve the problem - it is useless.

I cant believe people here are so thin skinned.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

heheh i am wondering if people living around him in real life would like to do same thing over there as well:P
i am nobody on this forum but i have already saw examples of his post that have convinced me to vote yes:)

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

All you seem to do on here Carsten is bash Maemo and tell everyone how wonderfull MeeGo is and why devs should join MeeGo and not develop for Maemo !.

I on the other hand tried my best to further Maemo and you just hate the fact that it could even be a possibility.

My Poll for Maemo has clearly made you angry because you came straight in with MeeGo on that very poll and started telling people how good it is etc.

This is totally bizzare that a man of your standing as a MeeGo head is trying to oust someone from Maemo.org who is doing his best to further Maemo, now dont you think that is ironic????.

I do not know what qgil seen in you but when he finds out about this he will not think of you as the same i am sure !.

I will give you some advice and that is move your self on MeeGo because many many people have posted how dissapointed they are with it and if this carries on you will probably find yourself out of a job !.

I do think in my honest opinion you are not the man for the job on the MeeGo/N900 work and you should pass it on to a better developer who can carry things along a lot faster.

I do not lose anything even if i am banned and i can follow up on this anytime anywhere i wish WITHOUT your consent so try to understand what you are doing right now and think of the consequences ok!.

I have been around a lot longer than you and quite frankly i have seen far far better developers than your work on Meego.

None of this post is in any way swearing or demeanfull to anyone not even you as it states my opinion without bad language.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I've ignored him in the past, but just because you ignore people's behaviour their effect is still visible to the rest of the community. On IRC, as a operator, I rarely ignore as the next step from an ignore by an operator is other community members complaining about the ignored person's behaviour.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Wrong conceptual proposition - this forum is for a certain purpose, and as soon as people start leaving rather than bothering about "ignore" there's definitely something to be done about it.
Those are "automatically" banned according to the general rules of this forum which you're supposed to have read them. So no need for any "asking to ban" in those cases.

/jOERG

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Tbh I didn't know this guy byt he seems to be a real nutcase so I voted yes. Sure there are ignore features but those of us that are new around here shouldn't have to go through that trouble with the obvious ones.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Hi,

Thank you for concern on behalf of the forum. I suggest that you first make a request for disciplinary action directly to a forum moderator. If your request is or has been unanswered or denied by the moderator, then please return to indicate why you disagree with the decision.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

You have my vote, yes, its true, this sux but he is beyond repair.
If you want to see why i voted yes just look at his post history.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

And what is your contribution to MeeGo abill_uk? I'm honestly curious. If you think you can do better than Stskeeps, why don't you offer to help out instead of whining incessantly?

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

@Abill
It's not your intentions that are of annoyance. We all want to see Maemo being improved and someone to voice that is good. The problem is that the tone often used puts off those who might otherwise support the cause if posts were more polite. It's not just you but you've done some pretty silly things recently, which will prevent some from making contributions (including scripts, code & application s/w). Flame less and think more, please.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I believe in transparency and this is my way to do that as moderator requests are a hidden process. Time for a community wide discussion on this topic.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I don't agree - this abill-case has a way too long history and way too many instances scattered all over the place, so a) it's hard to handle this with a normal request to the forum admins, and b) I bet there have been just enough of those in the last ~15 months

/j

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

The problem on here is you have got a cliche that stick together and have troubled me for many a month and never let up.

I always look at my options and if i were to develop it would have to be for Maemo as i have already stated in my Poll but i want the code released from Nokia before i do so because as a developer i could not work without it.

If i am banned then bang goes any work i would do for this Community so one way or the other it will take its course.

The biggest problem on here is MeeGo vs Maemo and why it allows talk of especially development for MeeGo on Maemo.org is baffling probably a lot of people.

Now we are seeing a situation that i could see some time back of Maemo vs Meego and this should not be.

stskeeps is a MeeGo head and should not be posting the way he does on a Maemo Community as it confuses a lot of people who simply do not know what will happen next.

I stand for the people and owners of the N900 and as it runs Maemo it is the best way forward.

Trying to get MeeGo to run on the N900 is undermining itself as the hardware is not good enough for Meego so that means it would have to be downgraded to even try and run on the N900.

So what is stskeeps doing on this forum? why is he not on MeeGo.com where he should be concentrating his efforts as this IS after all MAEMO.ORG and always will be !.

Totally bizzare situation and if it carries on like this then to be honest i am out of here anyhow.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I didn't say and didn't mean to imply that discussion should not continue. But if you want disciplinary action against a member who you think is abusing the forum, then there is a procedure already in place for you to utilize.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

He is just using his position to get what he wants, he does not follow procedure as he is obviously too angry too as said on my previous posts on here, anyhow enough from me you lot all get on with it and may the best side win hahahaha.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

A long time back we had someone working for us who asked a very reasonable question of one of the managers.

He asked "How come everyone takes an instant dislike to me?"

The manager replied "It saves time."

Now I'm just saying but ....

Quote "If i am banned then bang goes any work i would do for this Community so one way or the other it will take its course."

I am struggling to see the downside here?

rgds

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Wow, and at the same time bang goes any invention that would have ended all wars on earth that you also would have worked on here. A shame really.

This and the N9. I can't wait for all this to happen.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Did you ever stop to wonder why I might be having my opinions?

* The Hildon and Maemo GTK+ line is a dead end and has been announced as such, long ago. The 50k EUR effort by Igalia to bring it up to date seems to give no benefit to maemo.org and Maemo5 which upsets me too.
* There is next to zero chance that Maemo5 applications would be open source, as this requires significant time and effort to clean up code, do legal checks, etc. Time that is better used for other things. In addition to that, the amount of people that can reasonably deal with that code here is greatly diminishing.
* I have intimate knowledge of Maemo, this community and my opinions stem from there.
* I have nothing against CSSU, in fact I was among the first to suggest it for Maemo4 and I've helped when people asked me questions. I use CSSU myself.
* I am of the opinion that we shouldn't push people towards dead ends as it wastes valuable community resources. People can contribute fixes and perhaps new features to CSSU but honestly, if you want a long term solution, MeeGo is the way to go.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Even if I were to agree with abill_uk's point (mostly due to subconscious "the devil you know" desire), his posts do not really rightfully represent such point of view and are more of a chaotic nature. And he has got way too many chances to prove he's really a contributing member of this forum.

He stands for no one. Do not be fooled.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

In response to Acidspunk,

I think that is the crux of the matter. Apart from the senseless petition to Nokia, how has abill balanced his posting with positive contributing actions? i can accept his postings and negative presence if he balanced it up with being a tester or developer.
I would even go so far as to not support this vote if he had contributed meaningfully but for all his posting, and for his presence, i cannot find one instance where he has contributed in terms of development (app, etc) or as a tester.

If you are actively developing/testing or contributing in a constructive manner, then you can be excused for the occasional rant and rave.

but then again, he is part of our resident troll zoo...

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Before going all high and mighty, justice, procedure and all that jazz on Carsten you might want to acknowledge the impact abill_uk rants have had on this community.

I'm personally aware of his trash pushing away at least to people who actively developed for Maemo.

You know, sometimes in order to fix things you might need to get down and get dirty, going according to the book does not cut it.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I can understand frustrations, but honestly I think banning someone should not be done by a member petition. IMO it should be a matter for disciplinary action by mods, and because an user has seriously flaunted forum rules.

I havent been following the situation with abill, although we have clashed in the past, but I have to assume if he had done anything so serious as to deserve a banning he'd be already gone by now.

I wouldnt really like to be involved with the vote so I havent voted either way.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I am here for three reasons:
* Been here since forever, was maemo.org distmaster as well, long standing community member. Have a N800, N810
* People were missing MeeGo info here and were glad to hear accurate information.
* This community used to be a communy of doers, not moaners.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Yes i see the point your trying to make but you do not seem to see my point in that MeeGo will just NOT run very well on the N900 because of lack of hardware criteria that MeeGo developers are gearing up for on future devices.

I say run with what we have got because Linux is a great tool used world wide and can be much further developed for the N900 than MeeGo can.

Maemo is running very very smoothly in comparison with MeeGo and even more the reason why it should be further developed, just because Nokia gave up through lack of coders to do the job properly does not mean this community should.

You clearly have a problem with Maemo now and i cannot dissuade you so you do as you feel fit.

I on the other hand have not said anything to you but my honest opinion and you seem to dislike it sooo much you started this rediculos Poll.

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

Agreed, if anything, this collects arguments for disciplinary action. I do write 'recommend' for a reason

Re: Petition to talk.maemo.org administration to permanently ban abill_uk
 

I think you'd be surprised then - the moderator may agree with you, but if not it can be escalated. But it's hard to handle in this way. There are supermoderators...