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Does anyone have any idea what the f**k just happened to MeeGo 1.2 official release for N900, the conference is already done.
So where the f*** is MeeGo?

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that is not an official release its de germany one if you goto this site http://wiki.meego.com/Release_Engineering/Plans/1.2 there you can see there release plan which is changed a few times already

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LOL. It's not for you

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i know dude its developer edition

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MeeGo = Fail :D

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careful or you might gt a petition to ban u put up !!!

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What's crippled/missing/subpar in the version that got released?

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Small percent of its users. I will direct you to a perfect specimen in this very thread.

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I know you're just being humorous and/or snarky, but I genuinely am interested to know what the difference is. My more dominant skeptical side wants to remind everyone about how Nokia has, in the past, rammed closed-source down our open-source gullet despite pleas from developers' and consumers' to open everything up. My optimistic side is preoccupied with bleeding out, tied up against a chair begging not to be shot again in the arm or leg every time Nokia makes another "WONTFIX" or "FIXED IN [next OS]" gunshot wound.

I assume the DE is good, since it's really open-source. What's the big deal with the official version, then? What's the be gained in it?

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Dan,
there is no "Official" version for N900.
Handset Ux is available for arm and ia32.
There is a Developer Edition for N900 which contains bits and peices from the Handset UX (trunk) and the N900 Hardware Adaption Team's work.
Closed source components include BME, SGX, wireless and some sysinfo stuff specific to the N900.
Current build provides for BASIC telephony and SMS functionality.
Calender (buggy), contacts (V Basic), xterm, wifi, bluetooth etc,picture, music and video (all a bit buggy) etc.
you can make and receive calls and send/receive sms.
Update via xterm using zypper works, but there are some issues woth some packages.
It's a classic alpha/beta release and should not, in any way be seen or assumed to be a "complete" release.
the people working on this are doing a great job and I expect, given time and more community developer input, this will become a viable alternative OS for the N900, and not just for devs/hackers.

Just my .02c

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There are a couple of detailed video reviews of this version on youtube.
Check it out for yourself:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4vN_Xn0jq0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDfIfOeT0fU

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Thanks! That's what I'm looking for. So, I'm assuming all this tempest in a teapot is over the fact that there's no finalized consumer-release version, then? I was under the impression it was still a work in progress and long from a real release (as you seem to confirm to me), but all these announcements and the angst made me wonder if I missed something significant.

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One of the big challenges is that, unlike the netbook/tablet builds which have had Intel to support driver development for their harware/chipsets, providing rapid ability to deploy onto existing hardware platforms (many of which are the same/alike), the handset builds are only really available for a small amount of devices, thanks to proprietory drivers and hardware.
as a result, there isn't the "market" to entice developer support and the UI supplied with the vanilla handset UX builds is very basic. the design of the UI is pretty straight forward and allows for some big changes without a massive amount of code. what we need is some of the talented theme makers here at TMO to dedicate some time to contribute to the n900DE project.
"prettying" up the UI will go a long way to enticing more people to contribute, if only, like me, as testers/bug reporters.
those who have already developed qt apps for fremantle could look at doing builds of their stable stuff for Meego, which in turn will provde enhancement for the project, leaving the N900 Dev team to focus on getting the base build 100% solid.

as an aside, i'm using one of the latest images on my N900 as a daily phone (restricted, of course!) and the phone app is more responsive than the fremantle debacle....

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yup, i have the same opinion here. i polled yes for abills poll, still i agree with u in this matter. i would like to have the open sourced meego running perfectly on my device with out any bugs licking it and scratching its *** now and then.
the bug problem in n900 now is told to be because of the closed source code for it, if maemo source code wont be released and no further support from nokia will be available to uplift maemo, we should think of working out meeGo for n900.
how ever i am waiting for the consumer release of meeGo in n900.

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Well there was always the 'Cordia' project to port hildon UX to meego.


oh wait, that died too.

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i have a doubt related to installing meeGo as dual boot in a seperate SD card.
The question is, can simply install uboot and not install MeeGo till i am ready to install it?
like, now i am not ready to install MeeGo, but to start with i want to install uboot,will it cause any harm?

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@vi_
with all due respect mate, that's unfair on smoku.
the cordia project hasn't died. What's happened there is smoku has a full time job that pays the bills. Cordia is a project that, it would seem from comments like yours, gets nothing more than criticism from the community, because it isn't happening fast enough.

@thashku

installing uboot without meego won't cause a problem.
If uboot doesn't see a boot file and image on the sd card, it will default boot the maemo image.

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It's not DEutsch,but Developer Edition. ;)

And it's as official as you can get. This is Nokia sponsored project to bring usable MeeGo adaptation to N900.

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Can you please post this on the Poll thread as it will give hope and maybe pull a few devs?.

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but abill you were looking out to nokia to release the source code for maemo,right?
stick on to it,thats our fight,lets not leave it.
MeeGo DE at consumer end will be a secondary option for maemo users. as for me MeeGo is just at its infant stage. an embryo can grow in a womb from a sperm to child in 10 months but after which the growth is slow, similarly meego did grow faster for now but its not yet ready to battle with maemo. MeeGo is just fantasy and facination.( no offence to meego; i like it too).

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got it its not germany one but who cares why only developers?? and even if only developers why not with full features and stuff what about the release plan
that so lame you say 25 april and then its 25 may and then never
ban me up or remove my account but meego is a failure big time even nokia ditched it God knows how much they regret on signing a contract with meego to manufacture a meego fone for them

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How much did you pay nokia for having meego on your n900?
How much will you pay nokia if you get meego on your n900?

Why would nokia ever do that?
Devs with a new OS build applications for the ecosystem of the new OS. It's good for nokia. Consumers who have a new OS on their old phone slow the purchase of their next phone. It's bad for nokia.

Unless of course the new OS is on a new phone, so the consumer buy a new phone. It's good for nokia.

Use your head more and whine less.

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On the other hand, the question could be asked about Ubuntu, Debian, CentOS, SuSE, etc. on your laptop. I paid nothing for my OS's on all the computers in my home (running various Linux flavors), but I keep getting top-notch updates, constantly. I've come to expect this from open-source, now, and I've not really seen the same from Nokia--paid or otherwise. Nokia, near as I could tell, were supposed to be selling a PLATFORM to run an open-source operating system, but it's proven to be little more than either a ruse (LOTS of closed-source gotchas) or a let-down (MeeGo seems like all promise, not a lot of delivery).

Man, if only there were a more genuine attempt to support a full-fledged Ubuntu instead or something.

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MeeGo is as close to 'full-fledged Ubuntu' as you can realistically get.

The problem is that Ubuntu targets standard, off-the-self commodity hardware.

No such standard exists yet for handsets, so the Ubuntu model is unrealistic for handsets.

(This may change once handsets with Intel chips start appearing on the market.)

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True enough, but that doesn't change my opinion just the same. It's still a shame.

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Free Software != Open Source Software

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the problem is many people assume that because a corporation builds something based on open source (or FOSS) components, that corporation has some obligation beyond generating profits for itself.
Meego is moving along at a good pace as far as I'm concerned.
Just installed the latest daily build of 1.2 and screen unlock functionality is dramatically improved (much faster) and team appears to have optimised a lot of components, with the UX appearing much more responsive, even on first boot.
APN settings config ui has been added ( I haven't tried this yet) and gui package manager has also been added.

Will try out the apn config and report back shortly....

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That old saw again? :P

In fact, it does have an obligation beyond its own profits (says as much in the license that there ARE obligations to be met in the license that aren't necessarily in line with profitability)--but the two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive. The greatest shame in the whole Maemo/MeeGo affair has been Nokia's shameful disregard for the spirit of free and open-source software (feel better, smoku?).

The fact that you're touting one of the greatest features of the newest MeeGo is that it can unlock faster indicates to me that I wasn't far off with the paraphrasing of the Tai Kwan Leap skit in another thread (where I said, "MeeGo is not a path to a door, but a road leading forever toward the horizon.").

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Agreed, but I can still forget about nokia driver updates for the dell specific version of my laptop's graphic card (windows and ubuntu alike). And there are still many peripherals that will never work, because of no drivers.
But the situation for PC is still much better indeed.

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@dan
"we're on a road to nowhere" lol
while I agree that open source comes with a responsibility to give back, it doesn't stop corporations from profiteering.

i don't know how many people are still working on Meego (or more specifically DE) but any progress is good progress. in my view.

edit: oh and if i was to tout it's greatest feature..... that would be the fact that Nokia is continuing to support development of meego on the N900 at all. that's something that under the gpl, the ARE NOT obligated to do.

edit2: typed from my N900 Meego device ;)

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dudes dudes dudes
dont be selfish all of you developers
why should i pay for MeeGo i have already paid for N900 and if nokia cannot support its own operating system (Maemo) like not making applications updates and stuff then they must provide an alternate (MeeGo) free of charge.
I am anyways bored of this phone me buying myself a new one
Its for geeks i am not an iFan but Apple is really keeping its consumers happy
like not only non developers but look at you guys you all are also waiting for dumb MeeGo and all you get is a developer edition after all that long wait and still you're supporting it and developing applications for it just for free :p
Anyways good luck guys i might have two new phone while you guys still waiting for MeeGo to release :D and i am sure about it

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lolz

don't let the door hit your ar*e on the way out.

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Many of us share your sentiments trust me !.

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onethreealpha hwich daily are you using - acceptance or sanity?

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actually cut back to the 07 June build of acceptance. i had screen rotation issues with the 08 June image but it may have just been a dirty write to the sdcard when i dd'd it.
will try the 08 June image again tomorrow.

FYI APN is only a placeholder at the moment. package manager fails due to de-testing repo being unsigned.
if you want to try packagekit, in terminal, run as root:
#zypper clean
#zypper refresh

the refresh will ask for confirmation of acceptance for unsigned repo.
exit terminal and re-open package-kit from menu.
i found you need to long press icons in packagekit to move throught the application menus.

regards

edit: fennec still as slow as a wet winter weekend, but general responsiveness seems improved, esp. after a reboot

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Yup. You cannot automatically apply Free Software mentality to any software you have source code access. ;)

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there you go again, speaking on behalf of the community. or by "us" did you mean "uninformed lunatics"?

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Do you ever give up or is this your way to just ruin everything on here ?.

I dont give a stuff what you say to be honest so carry on as it falls on deaf ears.

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right back at ya buddy :)