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augustya 2011-06-07 09:00

is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Has Nokia Scrapped the Meego project ? I heard that Nokia has tied up with Microsoft for all its upcoming phones for OS. Inshort is Meego Dead ?

kingoddball 2011-06-07 09:03

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Nope. Still going. Be patient.

danramos 2011-06-07 09:07

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kingoddball (Post 1023869)
Nope. Still going. Be patient.

Yeah yeah, "patience." How long will that take?

abill_uk 2011-06-07 09:12

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
As far as Nokia is concerned MeeGo IS dead as they gave up on that idea to join with Microsoft.

Erazor 2011-06-07 09:18

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 1023873)
Yeah yeah, "patience." How long will that take?

sry but when you think you can make a better company, then create your own ;)

all companys show to get still alive in the world.
there are many changes every hour.

so i understand nokia.
its not nice what they did with Maemo and so.
but its opensource.

Better than nothing ... i think..

so dont be angry with me. but this must be said for a long time.
because everyone hacks on nokia. other companys are not better.


;)

ajack 2011-06-07 09:19

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1023876)
As far as Nokia is concerned MeeGo IS dead as they gave up on that idea to join with Microsoft.

Not true, MeeGo is changed from a "next generation OS to succeed high end smartphones thus pushing Symbian to mid-tier and low-end phones" to a "project in Nokia" aka "we are going with WP7 but will keep MeeGo in case WP7 turn into a turd..."

lohner 2011-06-07 09:19

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
As long as there is Elop to promote WP7 (which is his job, which is his mission), MeeGo isn't going to be on any Nokia phone.
We'll see what Intel does with MeeGo. But Android also runs on their Atom Processors, hence I don't expect much.

F2thaK 2011-06-07 09:21

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ajack (Post 1023881)
... in case WP7 turn into a turd..."

WHEN WP7 turns into a turd...

Reffyyyy 2011-06-07 09:22

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Erazor (Post 1023879)
sry but when you think you can make a better company, then create your own ;)

all companys show to get still alive in the world.
there are many changes every hour.

so i understand nokia.
its not nice what they did with Maemo and so.
but its opensource.

Better than nothing ... i think..

so dont be angry with me. but this must be said for a long time.
because everyone hacks on nokia. other companys are not better.


;)

Your opening statement is ridiculous. By your logic, I can't criticize a musical artist because I don't have a successful record deal.

9000 2011-06-07 09:33

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by augustya (Post 1023867)
Has Nokia Scrapped the Meego project ? I heard that Nokia has tied up with Microsoft for all its upcoming phones for OS. Inshort is Meego Dead ?

Nokia cannot scraped the MeeGo project on her own. It's a joint project with Intel.

And Elop promised there are _2_ MeeGo devices from Nokia by _2014_. That's very promising and exciting news for Nokia fans.

Of course, Elop didn't promised these particular two devices are mobile phones. It could be a tablet and a toaster, or two toasters. But still, general public is overwhelming excited upon hearing the news, and rushed to express their good-wish in the stock market.

Erazor 2011-06-07 09:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Reffyyyy (Post 1023888)
Your opening statement is ridiculous. By your logic, I can't criticize a musical artist because I don't have a successful record deal.

everyone likes final versions and not alpha or beta

so you dont here to music, when it have only one note.
you listen to music when its done.

so when you want a beta and then critisize the bugs go ahead and download what you want ^^

that what i want to say is

no one is perfect. and everyone do his best.
they who think they are perfect... quit your life ^^

the bad words over companys are ridiculous.....

tissot 2011-06-07 09:34

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
MeeGo becoming some kind of Android competitor is certainly out of the window.
But Nokia's R&D money will shrink a lot as Symbian is being killed(while still largest with Samsung) and i do honestly believe that this time they will do what they promised and keep MeeGo as future testing bed. That might mean that no devices after N9 or two devices next year, but i do believe they will develope it internally and see how N9 ecosystem gets on.

MeeGo being part of future distripution means just that, part of it. Though i'm certain that harmattan is by far the most developed inside project in Nokia.

stickymick 2011-06-07 09:36

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ajack (Post 1023881)
in case WP7 turn into a turd..."

Personally I don't think it will, not outright anyway.
There are lots of WP7 fans out there who are eagerly awaiting a WP7 device from Nokia.
What I think will happen is they'll buy their WP7 Nokias and realise that they've just bought an iPhone in disguise when they realize they can't install anything unless they go through Ovistore (or whatever it's going to be called). They'll realize they can't rip CDs straight to the device unless they do so via Windows Media Player while connected to the web (so the DRM can be verified). They'll realize that anything other than M$ Thisthing and M$ Thathing will be crippled. Then those that do like to have a choice and don't like someone holding their hand while they use a bit of technology will realize they bought the wrong device.

But it could play out any way any how.

lohner 2011-06-07 09:44

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1023903)
Personally I don't think it will, not outright anyway.
There are lots of WP7 fans out there who are eagerly awaiting a WP7 device from Nokia.

Don't make a mistake here: People like us, well informed about what runs on their devices are the minority.
The mass market doesn't care too much. Much is deceided between carriers and network operators as well as retailers. What's on display in the stores, but also what is in the media, gets bought.

But I must admit, those gadget review sites have some influence too.

Erazor 2011-06-07 10:00

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
vote for close this thread ^^

such threads should be closed immediately after they where created


bubor 2011-06-07 10:18

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 9000 (Post 1023900)
And Elop promised there are _2_ MeeGo devices from Nokia by _2014_. That's very promising and exciting news for Nokia fans.

new people, new promises! Where is nokia suit for mac, official flash 10, voice navigation for maemo? After 3 years, nobody will cares about Meego, it will be just another broken promise.

LTman 2011-06-07 10:32

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if it is an iphone in disguise then the users will invent a jailbreaker in disguise
hehehe

9000 2011-06-07 10:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bubor (Post 1023940)
new people, new promises! Where is nokia suit for mac, official flash 10, voice navigation for maemo? After 3 years, nobody will cares about Meego, it will be just another broken promise.

What is a new guy for if he couldn't make more promises that so many would believe? ;)

abill_uk 2011-06-07 10:59

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ajack (Post 1023881)
Not true, MeeGo is changed from a "next generation OS to succeed high end smartphones thus pushing Symbian to mid-tier and low-end phones" to a "project in Nokia" aka "we are going with WP7 but will keep MeeGo in case WP7 turn into a turd..."

Keep thinking that but i can tell you one thing... whatever Nokia and M/S do IF it takes off then no way will either company invest in MeeGo in any way or form, rather it will be as it is now for further development by other companies certainly not Nokia thats for sure sure.

augustya 2011-06-07 11:00

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
So is the N9 ever gonna see the light of day ?

abill_uk 2011-06-07 11:04

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by augustya (Post 1023972)
So is the N9 ever gonna see the light of day ?

Dreams are made of this ;)

And i think this thread will be a right good MeeGo bashing thread hahaha.

abill_uk 2011-06-07 11:06

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
For WP7 to succeed it needs Nokia to build the hardware and that is exactly why the merger.

augustya 2011-06-07 11:11

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1023975)
Dreams are made of this ;)

And i think this thread will be a right good MeeGo bashing thread hahaha.


So be it they deserve it...Nokia in the last 2 year so has I feel taking a massive beating on their company reputition in being the Pioneers in Mobile Technology...The Samsung's The HTC's have left behind the Nokia's way...way behind...What a Pity Nokia ! I made a Huge mistake buying this compass Box called N900...Regret it very badly !

abill_uk 2011-06-07 11:14

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by augustya (Post 1023981)
So be it they deserve it...Nokia in the last 2 year so has I feel taking a massive beating on tehir company reputition in being the Pioneers in Mobile Technology...The Samsung's The Htc's have left behind the Nokia's way...way behind...What a Pity Nokia ! I made a Huge mistake buying this compass Box called N900...Regret it very badly !

Do not regret in fact never have regrets because in life we always learn to appreciate even the bad times.

The N900 has brought out a lot of good and will pave the way for future devices i feel, nothing even gets close to this device so no need for regret but look to what will happen in the future because of it.

abill_uk 2011-06-07 11:16

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
MeeGo is dead only as far as Nokia is concerned as they never have or will be a software company but it will most likely come to good from other company development not by individuals.

lohner 2011-06-07 12:55

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by augustya (Post 1023972)
So is the N9 ever gonna see the light of day ?

My guess is no. At least not before any significat batch of WP7 models is out and selling enough...

cfh11 2011-06-07 14:31

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lohner (Post 1024068)
My guess is no. At least not before any significat batch of WP7 models is out and selling enough...

you guys obviously haven't been paying any attention to the 4000+ post thread about the n9 teaser video...

nuknuk 2011-06-07 14:46

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nokia is dying

lohner 2011-06-07 16:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 1024176)
you guys obviously haven't been paying any attention to the 4000+ post thread about the n9 teaser video...

I will believe it once it's on sale...
And I blame the CEO (and his WP7 strategy) for every week of delay.

ajack 2011-06-07 16:34

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1023978)
For WP7 to succeed it needs Nokia to build the hardware and that is exactly why the merger.

Nokia hardware without the software makes for an expensive paperweight... Looking at WP7, I will say... "Nokia hardware with WP7 makes for a very expensive paperweight..."

abill_uk 2011-06-07 16:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ajack (Post 1024324)
Nokia hardware without the software makes for an expensive paperweight... Looking at WP7, I will say... "Nokia hardware with WP7 makes for a very expensive paperweight..."

Do you even realise the potential of a Windows OS? and that is IF they bring out a WP7 device.
Sorry but i do not share your hate for MS :p .

shmerl 2011-06-07 16:58

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Their potential is to hurt competitors by whatever means. Let's hope WP7 won't get enough market share to hurt others. It's enough that MS monopolized desktop field already.

lohner 2011-06-07 17:02

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1024353)
Do you even realise the potential of a Windows OS? and that is IF they bring out a WP7 device.

Sure they'll bring out one.
But what's the potential of a Windows OS? Being potentially more nailed down than iOS?
OK, good news for carriers (if they get rid of skype too, that is)
But bad news for me. I'm out. Live free or die.
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1024353)
Sorry but i do not share your hate for MS :p .

Nobody's perfect ;)

mohi2k7 2011-06-07 17:02

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
if there is a meego/harmattan phone from nokia it will have the EXACTLY the same fate as the n900 being a niche super geek phone with a limited market and a community to pick up the support slack...

thats because maemo and meego are treated like frankenstein theres no love for the OS from its creator

ajack 2011-06-07 17:05

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1024353)
Do you even realise the potential of a Windows OS? and that is IF they bring out a WP7 device.
Sorry but i do not share your hate for MS :p .

I am a warrior of GNU... :p

Quote:

Originally Posted by lohner (Post 1024358)
Sure they'll bring out one.
But what's the potential of a Windows OS? Being potentially more nailed down than iOS?
OK, good news for carriers (if they get rid of skype too, that is)
But bad news for me. I'm out. Live free or die.

Nobody's perfect ;)

Agreed...

Not to be OT, I think MeeGo will be the Android of desktop... but will just be one of many variants in the x86/x64 market. It will shine in cars, devices and phones IMHO...

abill_uk 2011-06-07 17:08

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lohner (Post 1024358)
Sure they'll bring out one.
But what's the potential of a Windows OS? Being potentially more nailed down than iOS?
OK, good news for carriers (if they get rid of skype too, that is)
But bad news for me. I'm out. Live free or die.

Nobody's perfect ;)

That made me laugh but the potential is the availability of apps for Windows let alone games.

MS have got more dev's than probably any other company in this world and that makes a difference for once but please don't give up on Nokia, wait and see what comes?.

ajack 2011-06-07 17:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1024366)
That made me laugh but the potential is the availability of apps for Windows let alone games.

MS have got more dev's than probably any other company in this world and that makes a difference for once but please don't give up on Nokia, wait and see what comes?.

A whole lot of good that did to the WP7 platform... :cool:

augustya 2011-06-07 17:15

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Android ! Android ! Android !

"THE GREEN ROBOT IS SWEEPING THE ENTIRE WORLD"

Android is the way to go !! Android Rulezzzzzzz anytime !

abill_uk 2011-06-07 17:15

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ajack (Post 1024371)
A whole lot of good that did to the WP7 platform... :cool:

Probably because the hardware was not right ;) and Nokia could very well make the "ideal" hardware platform for the OS whatever they decide on.
We already know it will not be MeeGo or Maemo but i have a feeling it will not be a WP7 OS either or at least not the WP7 we know.

lohner 2011-06-07 17:15

Re: is Meego Dead for Nokia ?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1024366)
That made me laugh but the potential is the availability of apps for Windows let alone games.

Yes, but Windows Phone != Windows, even != Windows Mobile. So all your old software base is useless with the new Windows (ARM) platform.
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1024366)
MS have got more dev's than probably any other company in this world and

True, they are the biggest software company. But there are more free software developers, releasing GNU or BSD licenced software than there are developers releasing MSEULA software.
Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1024366)
that makes a difference for once but please don't give up on Nokia, wait and see what comes?.

I am as curious as you what's going to happen. Of course I may be wrong and they'll beat even Apple with there WP7 phones (not even talking about ther shabbily treated MeeGo phones). I only find it hard to believe.


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