Poll: Does Maemo.org need more Moderation?
 

With all the recent Departures, EPIC threads, and off topic rants, I recently got into a "friendly" disagrement with one of the Moderators here.

I think the Mods should be tougher on the ranters, threads that invoke Chuck Norris for adding to the post count, and the threads that get away from the original topic. I would NEVER want to see this site turn into a propaganda page, but the number of posts that go nowhere and helps no one needs to be addressed!

That's my opinion, but maybe I'm wrong. What do you think?

(Without getting into a 10,000 post, Chuck Norris, filled rant...ok maybe a few funny gifs :D).

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All the recent departures? I can only recall two recent departures - one was voluntary, the other not.

I think the mods are doing a great job and don't see a need to add more. Besides, adding more doesn't necessarily make it 'better'.

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No, I think its enough if they are around posting and are visible in the threads from time to time. You can't force the law!

I think the are doing an exellent job.

Except when they give me infraction points for nothing ;)

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Sitting around here doing nothing is the number one re-- er, IN fraction.

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All cool here. No need for stay-on-topic nazis. ;)

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We can't have anarchy here. We need strict moderation with rehabilitation program for trolls. Those who refuse to obey the ruls should be locked into a stricter sub-forum with popups of elops picture evry ten seconds. We need a team of mods to monitor troll activity on other forums and a system of reward to those who report negative activity. Chuck Norris will monitor all forum activity and assign the mods to enforce the punishment. It easy for him, that's why he was known in the army as "Hawk"

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I rather have too little moderation than too much. Freedom you know. Constant abuse and insults is another thing. For example I wasn't too distressed with giving some timeout to that abit_uk guy.

But think about it for a moment. You couldn't have even mr. Stephen Elop here discussing with us if too strict rules were enforced. The guy can't stop talking about (Windows Phone) ecosystem no matter the context. Nevertheless, he'd be an asset to this forum. And he's quite a nice guy in my experience, I can assure you,

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If you want to help the admins here, try writing down what exact rules you want them to enforce. It's not as easy as it sounds. What's 'obvious' to the human mind may be hard to write down into legal/concrete rules.

Ps: they already do have rules against trolls.

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Anonymity => Total ****wad
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/3/19/

Happening since dawn of bulletin boards. But hey we like to have it different around here...honeypot for trolls. If you can´t stand teh heat go to IRC & other places that are A. too difficult to use by simple minded and maybeperhapsyes have some kind of moderation.

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So everyone understands my original post.

I'm not calling for severe moderation, just an end to the 5 page plus arguement threads, the yea i'm the 2000th post threads, and the threads that start talking about the N9 and end up talking about Elop's nationality threads.

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I think the Mods here have done a great job compare to some other forums I'm on(which will remain nameless ;) ) I don't seen the harm in a few jokes in threads to lighten the mood. And a few jokes from the mods from time to time. Make it seem like they are humans and not mindless robot that's ready to ban you at any given Sunday. Sometimes threads get out of hand and that's when they step in an well "mod". So to the OP imma tell you like my grandfather told me don't take life to serious cause no one ever makes it out alive anyway ;)
Cheers

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Yeah, send all off topic posters to the hall of destruction for summary judgement and combustion!
Seriously, don't worry about it. The important threads aren't getting spammed, that N9 one is destined to gain like 100 posts a day no matter what, so if we don't learn anything today i'm afraid it's 95% junk again :)

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When threads get Chuck Norrised they tend to get shuffled off to Off Topic anyway.

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The moderators actually encouraged the main Chuck Norris thread by renaming the thread in honor of Chuck then putting it in off-topic.

Anyway, the poll is tremendously skewed by the "what are you talking about, things are fine" sarcasm in one of the options. How would you like a Presidential poll with a "what are you talking about, Palin would be great!" comment after one of the choices?

No fair putting a comment like that in a poll and expecting it to be taken seriously, unless you work for Vladimir Putin or someone similar.

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And another thing. If you really want to encourage good threads and don't have a yearning for jackbooted moderators prowling the aisles (which we luckily don't have here), you should support the Thread Spotlight thread I recently posted.

Anyone who has studied psychology knows that negative reinforcement (i.e., jackbooted moderators) is the WORST way to stop bad behavior. The trick is to find ways to POSITIVELY REINFORCE good behavior. That was the whole intent of my thread.

Just search on Thread Spotlight and you should find it easily enough. Write about threads you want to encourage.

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I think moderation here is a bit too much on the light side of things (hey, did abill_uk get banned or something, considering the "invonlutary departure" mentioned earlier?), but I don't agree at all with enforcing strict on-topic rules.

I've seem worst, man. This forum feels like heaven. Obviously, though, since I've seem worst, I'm biased.

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I'll take a moderator job :D I'm always here and impartial...

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Well, in the absence of real news, it is the Chuck Norris who keeps your topic on top. It gives you a sort of publicity. :D

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The Forum does not need more Mods, the Moderators need more minions :) After all, its the users that keep a Forum alive, and I am not saying everyone should simply obey (wish it was that easy), I mean that YOU http://www.ooooooo.be/images/stories/we-want-you.jpg can help the Mods out by reporting evil or sending a PM when the latter seems more appropiate. Did you know you can block a user, to never see posts/PM's from him/her again? Thank you for your time.

Regards.

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I just wish to be able to create an ignore list not only for certain users, but also subfora.

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Thread spam is all-right if it stays confined in one or two threads.
Actually most issues are all-right if they stay confined.

Aggressive posts are sometime of a problem around here, but most poster tend to behave even with strong disagreement.

I think the number of moderators as well as the rules in place are sufficient. Maybe there is some time a bit of a too much tolerance, but it's hard to tell without being a mod.

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I'm scanning this mentioned thread once a day for posts with more than 4 or 5 Thanks and read only this posts. Moving it to Off Topic would break my quick read scanning tactics. :(

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We try to encourage at least a little bit of this thing we call "fun" here.

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The simulation of a "community" falls short on several social aspects typical of a community, mostly through technical reasons of interaction only via the software.

I think a very useful feature would be an area which showed statistics across the userbase, particularly a ranking of the most ignored users to help newcomers identify trolls which are not otherwise moderated.

In any other community, you can tell who is ostracized as anti-social, but not in this environment. It is a behavioral observation loop that allows both the individual and community to be objective about social behavior and modify it if desired.

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This place is fine. It doesn't need more moderators.-

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...but less FUD, Trolls and useless "chat room like" postings would be sometimes really nice. :rolleyes:

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The perceived picture is that you need more moderators, so developers don't leave.

I think it needs more developers and more support from Nokia. Based on the lack of the second item, this place is bleeding on the first item.

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I'll vote either No or relax and have a beer.

I think too many people here lately are focusing on a couple well-respected people leaving, and blaming a few individuals for their departures. Personally, I feel (no matter what was said by who) that these people would have left shortly anyway, blaming a few "trolls" was just an easy excuse.

Speculation threads will happen no matter how much moderation goes on, and by their very nature will tend to wander off-topic fairly easily.

Trolling is much harder to enforce. There is obvious trolling, that almost everyone would agree on. Then there is posting that some here jump on quickly as trolling, and others see as reasonable posts (perhaps poorly worded, etc), but not trolling.

Case in point, a couple months ago, I'm sure many here would have called for infraction points or banning of some posters due to trolling or spreading of fud. The posters in question were spreading those evil rumors that microsoft was going to partner with Nokia. As I recall these posters were quickly condemned as trolls or spreading fud. We'd all look pretty silly having banned these posters for trolling or spreading fud, being as they were actually spreading the truth.

I guess, I'll go with sit back relax, report offensive posts, let the mods do their job. And if you see a trolling post, or a thread you don't agree with, please don't jump in and comment about it. The more comments it gets, the longer it goes on. Ignore it and it will drop out of site.

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I agree with everything you said.

My initial point however, which I'll say again, there is a difference (to me) with a little, some, a lot, and overboard moderation. I'm not calling for more moderators (bodies), but a little tighter standards on the Chuck Norrises (:D) that run wild here.

I was reading a thread that asked "Is Meego dead for Nokia?" . In the first 5 posts the initial, honest question was answered politely and accurately. That thread is now 17 pages long, and the only redeeming value of all that blather is that it started this thread. And don't even get me started on that n9, Chuck Norris filled, 5000+ post monstrosity of an anticipation thread....I like funny joke threads too but keep in mind that thread started May 11 th, and had so much misinformation spread around it deteriorated into a EPIC mess.

Again, if I’m being too stuffy I'll admit the error of my ways, and beat myself accordingly.:rolleyes:

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No one forces anyone to read any threads. ;)

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Yes it needs! so I learn to shut up and dont start flamewars...

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Agreed. As I'm typing this approximately 32% of the voters are requesting more moderation, 11% claim they didn't realize there are moderators, and 56% presumably think it's fine (28% No, 28% relax). I expect the beating to commence forthwith :D

On a more serious note, I understand where you're coming from. Texrat could confirm that I reported a couple of thread recently that I thought were over the line. Once upon a time I even started a thread specifically for speculation on the N900 because many people were whining that speculation was cluttering up other threads and burying the few useful tidbits that were out there. I started it based on my belief that the people interested in speculation could do so there, and the people that weren't could ignore the thread. I believe it ended up being a rather long thread (short by today's standards) and served the intended purpose. While I occasionally disagree with some of the moderation (or lack of), on the whole I feel they do a pretty good job, for what is a pretty thankless task.

Now, if I can ask a serious question:
Which of the first 5 post (excluding the op) are you referring to?

The information that I've read (elsewhere) doesn't exactly equate to being "dead", but it sure doesn't give me the feeling that MeeGo (for Nokia, not the N900) is alive and kicking. In fact, after reading through post #20, I didn't see anything that convincingly answers the original question (for me). It's really a matter of interpretation and opinion.

But more importantly, probably something like 75%+ of the threads here don't interest me, and oddly enough, I haven't read them (nor have I commented in them or on them). If you find a thread doesn't interest you, or you think has gone past its' prime, feel free to ignore it. Contrary to your opinion, others here may still find the thread useful.

There are plenty of examples of threads that based on initial responses could have been closed, but remained open, and proved the initial responses were wrong (overclocking, usb port problems, usb host, just to name a few). There are also plenty of threads that veered off-topic for a while, but eventually wandered back to either the original intent, or a similar intent, and remained useful.

Re: Poll: Does Maemo.org need more Moderation?
 

Did I miss something while I was away? Who was it?

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Never heard of it.

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The problem with this option is that there are literally mobs of people on this site who would join a thread only to close it down (because it discussed Android, for example). A mob with a majority is still a mob.

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I blame the PR outfit.