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Teun 2011-06-30 06:35
Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
When I look at the swipe UI of the N9 I think that almost all the ingrediants for this are available within the current Maemo 5 install.

I would love a status area button to switch between Hildon desktop or portait swipe UI, Swiping between Dashboard, App menu and a selectable prefered app (for me the phone app)

Anybody thinking the same?

(excuse me for my englisch)

jo21 2011-06-30 06:45
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
we can copy it and rewrite it, the core its easily ported.

Pillum 2011-06-30 06:47
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
@jo21
you cant...its not open sourced

vetsin 2011-06-30 06:49
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Isn't there some sort of hardware magic at the sides of the screen too? I think I read somewhere that it's also sensitive to the touch so swiping actually starts from the edge.

Pillum 2011-06-30 06:53
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
@vetsin
N900 is also sensitive on the sides (only in landscape).
The N900 OS also uses some small swipe movements like in the browser to show the select arrow or to go back..

Teun 2011-06-30 06:54
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Can it be build ?

On unlocking open menu (not Hildon) in portrait

Swipe from left to right open prefered app

Swip from right to left open dashboard, again open last run app

Swipe back for dash board, again for menu, again for prefered app

Thats all. (I am not a coder... just a user so don't blaim me if I make this sound simple)

You can almost emulate by using just dashboard and app menu by holding protrait and touch interface.

vetsin 2011-06-30 18:02
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillum (Post 1041969)
@vetsin
N900 is also sensitive on the sides (only in landscape).
The N900 OS also uses some small swipe movements like in the browser to show the select arrow or to go back..
wow! i didn't know that the sides are sensitive. thanks for the info! hehe
i'd better start mastering swiping in my browser in case we have swipe in our phone! :)
though honestly, i'm not that interested in swipe UX. hehe but it would be nice to have.

edit: i just tried it. it's a whole easier to use now that i know how it works! :) hmm... any devs interested?

Boemien 2011-06-30 18:17
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Maybe they are interrested but as the N9 is out yet, I wonder how this functionality would be ported/implemented in our N900. Let's wait, after all, Meego is Maemo + Moblin. There is still a part of ou N900 in this new phone.

Teun 2011-07-01 09:58
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
@Boemien I don't expect anything from Nokia.. they have erased the N900 from there books.

Still a portrait mode of the desktop was one of the wishes. I think the N9 shows that you don't need a desktop to use the device.

Maybe that's an option: a way to turn off the desktop

Hurrian 2011-07-01 22:19
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Didn't someone say that the new UI is almost 100% closed source? We'll have to see about that...

Anyways, nobody's porting anything as long as that rootfs.lzo file ISN'T unpacked.

Mentalist Traceur 2011-07-01 22:34
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
You don't need touch sensitive edges. You just need *proper* gesture detection. E.G. MicroB - you CAN get the swipe from right/left gestures to work just fine in portrait mode. It's just harder to get the touch to come in from "off screen" with so little room on the 'top' and 'bottom' edge.

So long as the gesture is recognized as "from-very-edge-of-screen-inwards" it's going to be virtually indestinguishable to the end-user.

Android_808 2011-07-03 07:53
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
as a really cheating way to emulate the screens, couldn't you just create a few widgets that fill available desktop space. menu widget for one of the existing desktops, notifications/rss on another etc.

jo21 2011-07-03 08:55
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pillum (Post 1041964)
@jo21
you cant...its not open sourced
thats why i say copy it , rewrite it >_>

IcyMoustache 2011-07-03 15:47
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
(I guess) we can rewrite everything except the deep twitter/ facebook integration.. We do have a nice IM integration, but wished Nokia extended it to social networking too.. I really miss it on N900, and still wish one of our geniuses like MohammadAG could help us with that...

qwazix 2011-07-03 16:22
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
all we need is a daemon to monitor mouse movement and when it detects an off screen swipe to launch the switcher like shortcutd. And again to go home.

Teun 2011-07-10 18:16
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
the swipe UI of the N9 consists of 3 home views. 2 of them are llready available on our N900 devices. the app menu and the dashboard. the conversations view of the N9 looks somewhat like our conversations view. to make it more alike the call log and email has to be integrated into conversations. than the 3 home views are compleet. i would not mind using a touch gesture on our black "bottom" or "top" parts of our screen to enable switching between the 3 views. are there programmers reading this thread thinking this can be build?

kingoddball 2011-07-11 22:48
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Nevermind... Irrelevant.



Just be happy having a full Linux distro :D

pelago 2011-07-12 13:06
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 1043061)
You don't need touch sensitive edges. You just need *proper* gesture detection. E.G. MicroB - you CAN get the swipe from right/left gestures to work just fine in portrait mode. It's just harder to get the touch to come in from "off screen" with so little room on the 'top' and 'bottom' edge.

So long as the gesture is recognized as "from-very-edge-of-screen-inwards" it's going to be virtually indestinguishable to the end-user.
So, does anyone know if it's possible to write a daemon or similar for Maemo 5 that would allow detection (system-wide) of the "swipe in from outside edge" gesture? That is, something that would detect that gesture and not pass it onto the app, so that the app didn't scroll for example. As a start, we don't necessarily need the fancy transition effect, just something that will detect that gesture and then bring up the app launcher or task switcher or desktop.

qwazix 2011-07-12 20:25
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mentalist Traceur (Post 1043061)
You don't need touch sensitive edges. You just need *proper* gesture detection. E.G. MicroB - you CAN get the swipe from right/left gestures to work just fine in portrait mode. It's just harder to get the touch to come in from "off screen" with so little room on the 'top' and 'bottom' edge.

So long as the gesture is recognized as "from-very-edge-of-screen-inwards" it's going to be virtually indestinguishable to the end-user.
Whether we need them or not it seems we have them. I can tap 2-3 mm outside the screen and it fully registers a tap. (on all four sides, try tapping on the bottom edge of the N900 moniker - it requires a bit of pressure)

archl 2011-07-22 04:35
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
The screen of N900 it have a feature few people know to use, as I saw none of the video recorded use this:

Imagine you want to flip to left workspace/desktop, put one finger on screen - better left side, hold there and quickly put another on its right of the screen, then raise the left one. See, thats how easy to quick switch, no need to against swipe resistance.

Reffyyyy 2011-07-22 04:37
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
@archl

It's not really a feature, it's more of a screen limitation (single touch resistive).

Estel 2011-07-22 04:44
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
The question is, do we really need to make talented developers waste their time on copying closed source UI that is just fancy candies rain, without real feature improvement?

Of course, everyone can code what she/he want, but this one seems really irrelevant :rolleyes:

juanenrique 2011-07-22 04:57
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
...UI/UX is also a "real feature improvement"...

...if cake is what they (we) want, let them (us) have cake...

:)

prankster 2011-07-29 15:08
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
what is this between?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOBth...eature=related

Daneel 2011-07-30 17:07
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Cool stuff!

archl 2011-09-09 11:49
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
I just want swipe from right to go back to Desktop, Swipe from left to go to Dashboard :D

visN900 2011-09-09 11:59
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
v dont have any buttons to browser like in landscape mode.. it will be gr8 if swipe gestures are integrated to it..

seanmcken 2012-07-30 18:39
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
i think we should look at this thred it might be really awsome for maemo 5

seanmcken 2012-07-30 18:39
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
well i support u but we need developers

seanmcken 2012-09-18 08:13
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
is anyone here to support?????

AndyYan 2012-09-23 01:33
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by archl (Post 1055862)
The screen of N900 it have a feature few people know to use, as I saw none of the video recorded use this:

Imagine you want to flip to left workspace/desktop, put one finger on screen - better left side, hold there and quickly put another on its right of the screen, then raise the left one. See, thats how easy to quick switch, no need to against swipe resistance.
That's plain b-cuz N900's resistive touch screen, basically every resistive device has that. The movement emulates a fast "swipe" (when you put 2 fingers on a single-touch resistive screen, the actual action point is sitting in the middle)

AndyYan 2012-09-23 01:34
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanmcken (Post 1268290)
is anyone here to support?????
Hmm, I thought the forum has only ~100 days to go b4 it's shut for good. Even devs come, 100 days would be a limit. And will they?

thedead1440 2012-09-23 03:54
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AndyYan (Post 1270845)
Hmm, I thought the forum has only ~100 days to go b4 it's shut for good. Even devs come, 100 days would be a limit. And will they?
That's totally wrong! Please don't spread dis-information without knowing full facts!

By the end of this year, Nokia will give up on Maemo.org (including TMO) but there is a NFP being created which will continue to run this place...So it won't make too much of a difference to the common user here...

javispedro 2012-09-23 15:17
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by vetsin (Post 1041966)
Isn't there some sort of hardware magic at the sides of the screen too? I think I read somewhere that it's also sensitive to the touch so swiping actually starts from the edge.
Not really, it's all software. The window manager just creates some fake "transparent"/InputOnly window over all the edges and detects drags that start from there. It would be trivially easy to reimplement (IMHO).

freemangordon 2012-09-23 15:43
Re: Anybody Able to Port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by javispedro (Post 1271097)
Not really, it's all software. The window manager just creates some fake "transparent"/InputOnly window over all the edges and detects drags that start from there. It would be trivially easy to reimplement (IMHO).
And AIUI it can be not a part of the WM even, maybe an application sitting on the top of all other windows could do the job too.

riv64 2012-09-24 11:53
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pelago (Post 1049483)
... As a start, we don't necessarily need the fancy transition effect, just something that will detect that gesture and then bring up the app launcher or task switcher or desktop.
You say you have:
Try wayv: http://ubuntuone.com/3B9UUAfLEm8LAwP53B1Kjx or gestikk.
Maybe we could compile "lipstick" on maemo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OeTOXaJiHTY

computerinfo21 2012-11-16 18:08
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
Along these lines, does anyone know a command (terminal or dbus) to open the application menu?
I've searched and searched these forums and haven't come up with it. I was just sure I had read it somewhere before.

The command to bring up the task switcher is:
Code:
dbus-send /com/nokia/hildon_desktop com.nokia.hildon_desktop.exit_app_view

seanmcken 2012-11-17 01:55
Re: Implement / emmulate / port Swipe UI N9 to Maemo5 N900 ?
 
i think swipe can be ported with the hekp of this thread talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=86822


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