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larux

2011-07-25 18:43

Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Fruit phone:

Member Company Apple, Inc.
Specification Name 2.1+EDR

N9:

Member Company Nokia Corporation
Specification Name 4.0
(https://www.bluetooth.org/tpg/QLI_viewQDL.cfm?qid=18246)

EEEEEPIC WIN!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

funkmunk

2011-07-25 19:09

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

No where in that link does it metion the N9...Although this could also be another Harmattan device coming out later...may be the Tabco tablet... ;)

larux

2011-07-25 19:13

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

For me THIS is proof. read: productS.

Quote:

The Harmattan product platform includes all the Bluetooth functionality for the Nokia MeeGo products.

ysss	2011-07-25 19:31

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by larux (Post 1058056)

Might want to consider pitting an unreleased device vs a year old device that's due for an upgrade within a couple of months.

mikecomputing

2011-07-25 19:38

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

correct me if I am wrong but isn't BT 4.0 "software related changes" or is the psycical layer also changed?

unfuccwittable

2011-07-26 08:56

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by funkmunk (Post 1058074)

No where in that link does it metion the N9...Although this could also be another Harmattan device coming out later...may be the Tabco tablet... ;)

lol how many Nokia Corporation Harmattan Product Platforms are there right now?

And as far as the next iphone is concerned, well let's just say carriers have never been too keen on supporting handsets that support all the Bluetooth profiles. Most handsets nowadays lack complete profile support, so I wouldn't expect to see iphone with all those profiles.

Parody

2011-07-26 10:03

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1058091)

Might want to consider pitting an unreleased device vs a year old device that's due for an upgrade within a couple of months.

To be fair, the first time he was looking for a comparison only to confirm that the 4.0 really meant BT 4.0

jalyst

2011-07-26 17:38

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

...........

jalyst

2011-07-26 18:06

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1058091)

Might want to consider pitting an unreleased device vs a year old device that's due for an upgrade within a couple of months.

Sure....
Once official announcement of specs & it's release (undoubtedly) shortly thereafter.
But until then we can't... :confused:

And everything I've read from the best informed Apple pundits thus far...
Asserts the hardware's going to be a minor bump compared to releases in previous years.
The "really big" one's coming in approx. May (Q2) next year.

But I still expect the hardware to be slightly better than the N9 in many areas, & hugely in 1x or 2x.
The software update is one of the biggest for years though...

jalyst

2011-07-27 06:18

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

I don't see how that proves anything?
Weren't posts #111->117 better proof that BT4.0's not gunna happen?
I mean I'm ecstatic if you're right... but...

mikecomputing

2011-07-27 18:26

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 1058091)

Might want to consider pitting an unreleased device vs a year old device that's due for an upgrade within a couple of months.

Looks promising but my guess is first batches will not have it :-/

And I am unwillking wait for the damn device so I will buy ASAP :-/

jalyst

2011-07-28 05:41

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

^ How does it look promising?
I can't see how it proves anything.

Lindegaard

2011-07-28 21:09

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

but everywere it says that the N9 has 2.1 - so why would Nokia "lie" about it?

mikecomputing

2011-07-28 21:18

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1059713)

^ How does it look promising?
I can't see how it proves anything.

I didn't say it "confirmed" but the documets says "harmattan" but as I also said it maybe will not come on first batches of the device?

and maybe hw is there but the softwarestack for 4.0 is not implemented?

abbra

2011-07-29 08:07

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

If it was not implemented, Nokia wouldn't be able to get Bluetooth 4.0 certification. Simple as that.

jalyst

2011-07-29 08:53

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1060269)

I didn't say it "confirmed" but the documets says "harmattan" but as I also said it maybe will not come on first batches of the device?
and maybe hw is there but the softwarestack for 4.0 is not implemented?

But if it uses 1271/3x radio series from TI, then there's no way it could be using 1271/3L.

Did you not see that forum link DeeGee provided? (see posts #111 to 117)
It shows that we won't see phones using 1271/3L till the EOY, or maybe not till Q1.

So if the N9 is using the 1271/3x radio family...
It's hardware (this yr & maybe forever) will only support a/b/g/n + BT2.1.

jalyst

2011-07-29 08:57

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by abbra (Post 1060412)

If it was not implemented, Nokia wouldn't be able to get Bluetooth 4.0 certification. Simple as that.

But does that page really prove that BT4.0 stack has been implemented & thereby certified?
And if it does, then the N9 must not be using a radio from the same family as the N950.

The N950 uses 1271/3 (not 1271/3L) as shown by recent dmesg dumps.
So it's only capable of a/b/g/n + BT2.1...

Whereas the N9 must use an entirely different radio that does have hardware support for BT4 :confused:

zymo	2011-07-29 08:58

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

an interesting post from zeh

Quote:

Comparing the N950 with the N9:
First some comparison photos: click me
The OS is the same with the difference that on the N950 it does make sense to have the homescreens in landscape which is (for me) very nice because I'm using my mobile device 90% of the time in landscape.

When typing a short SMS like "okay" or "yes" I'm using the portrait VKB.
When typing a URL I'm using 50% of the time the landscape VKB.
When I'm typing something longer I'm 100% using the hardware keyboard.
I like it more because I can feel the buttons and I'm a lot faster.

The N950 feels very high quality, heavy, made from metal. The screen is not as curved as the one from the N9 but it is a little bit darker, so you won't see the screen as much as on the N9. The whole surface is complete dark black. If there is light around you, you'd think it is a AMOLED Clear Black Display.
The colors on the N9 are nicer, being a true AMOLED display.
But that also means that it does have a lesser amount of sub-pixels per pixel (because it is a pentile AMOLED screen) and if you look from close you can see that in direct comparision with the N950.
The N9 feels incredibly thin. Feels even thinner than the iPhone 4.
Also it feels very high quality but also very light.
The glass of the N9 is not as dark as the one from the N950.
The N9 does have Bluetooth 4 and NFC, the N950 does not have this.
If you drop a N9, you won't see the scratches as much as you see them on a N950. The N950 goes silver (metal) the N9 doesn't change the color.

I have the impression the the speaker of the N950 is a little bit louder than the speaker of the N9, but I'm not 100% sure. Have to check that later...

Any questions?

jalyst

2011-07-29 09:03

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

what he has an N9? how is that possible?

zymo	2011-07-29 09:08

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1060430)

what he has an N9? how is that possible?

i don’t think that he has got an N9, but one of his friends. take a look at some of his uploaded photos.

jalyst

2011-07-29 09:16

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

where's the post from?

zymo	2011-07-29 09:22

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1060437)

where's the post from?

N9vsN950

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...8&postcount=62

EDIT: Now dsmobile at mynokiablog confirms it’s indeed 4.0! :)

jalyst

2011-07-30 05:01

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by zymo (Post 1060442)

EDIT: Now dsmobile at mynokiablog confirms it’s indeed 4.0! :)

Yeah I saw that, but he's only seen the N9 a few months back.
He doesn't still have access to one, does he?
He's gotta say a bit more than just... "It has BT4.0"

Brock

2011-07-30 13:30

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

is it possible to find out if the n9 has bt 4.0 with a command or something like that? e.g. if i would have a n9, how could i find out which bt version is implemented?

jalyst

2011-07-31 15:14

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

It won't be tricky determining whether it has BT4 or not. What is tricky...
Is finding someone w/a N9 (that's running a recent build), who's willing leak that info :(

It's bizarre that BT4 support wasn't pronounced at the official launch, & placed on the website etc.
I guess they couldn't because it wasn't done, & they weren't sure if they'd have it done in time etc.

mikecomputing

2011-07-31 15:49

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1061708)

n9 is on tour in sweden and today they where in my town. first they decide goto the beach. Then they planned to visit city but I guess they decided to not cause it seem there where to less people out in city.

so i missed them. Hoped to see/test the damn device now I am :mad:

http://n9pilot.se/

have to wait two ****ing months until release :mad:

DeeGee

2011-07-31 21:25

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

I imagine that bt4 support is atleast planned on N9, not so sure if it gets in. The bluetooth.org page and the original N9/50 differences list hint that (it later got edited and mention of bt4 support was removed). But probably the software/driver support wouldn't be on the first release firmware anyway.
I wonder how a short time before they start manufacturing they need to have all the parts? If the bt4 support depends on the availability of TI WL1273L chip, then it can't be very long...

mikecomputing

2011-07-31 22:02

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeeGee (Post 1061898)

are u saying it was removed :( sounds like they decided to not have it in meego maybe it is as rummored. Meaans they use almost same hw on first wp **** but with bt4.0 chip and possible hdmi :mad:

jalyst

2011-08-01 16:07

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

^ No he's saying it seems like dvr/fw support may not be there at release.
Just a guess, but I tend to agree with him... :(

He's also saying if it uses TI's WL1273L, given that chip isn't available till round the same time the N9's due...
It must be possible to throw it in at the last minute... once the manufacturing run starts etc.

Of course they may have had prototypes of the chip & doco much earlier on.
For the fw/dvr dev work needed for certification etc.

Oh and Searay will be using entirely diff. SoC...
I'd be surprised if they've deliberately killed features in N9, so that only Searay can have them.
But if proof of that comes out I'll be very pissed. In fact I'll be done with Nokia.

Brock

2011-08-03 14:06

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1061708)

ok, then tell me how to find it out... maybe i can speak with someone who has a N9...

CLRS530

2011-08-03 17:32

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Hi guys, I was so happy after finding out that the N9 will get Bluetooth 4.0.
But I was all the time confused that there where different reports (some with 2.1, others with 4.0).
Had no one yet find this official technical data providing the information there won't be bluetooth 4.0?
You find this sheet in every country that is listed as getting the N9.

Still it isn't 100% clear if there will be hardware bluetooth 4.0 build in.

What do you think / know?

jalyst

2011-08-04 09:24

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock (Post 1063449)

ok, then tell me how to find it out... maybe i can speak with someone who has a N9...

IIRC there's a way to enable access to the terminal in the settings.
Then just dump the dmesg output to this thread...
Hopefully it'll reveal a IC that we know supports BT4.
Or at least reveal a device driver that supports it etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CLRS530 (Post 1063599)

Hi guys, I was so happy after finding out that the N9 will get Bluetooth 4.0.
But I was all the time confused that there where different reports (some with 2.1, others with 4.0).
Had no one yet find this official technical data providing the information there won't be bluetooth 4.0?
You find this sheet in every country that is listed as getting the N9.
Still it isn't 100% clear if there will be hardware bluetooth 4.0 build in.
What do you think / know?

It's still not clear, read all the previous posts, & any other threads they link to.
It's usually officially mentioned that only BT2.1 is supported, but there's conflicting info elsewhere.

CLRS530

2011-08-30 14:16

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

New (believable) information related to bluetooth 4.0 in the N9.

http://www.qtness.com/blog/?p=58

jalyst

2011-08-30 18:52

Re: Bluetooth.org (Bluetooth 4.0 and N9) CONFIRMED.

T'was already mentioned in the main thread
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...83#post1076583
But thanks for adding here too...

I was hoping it'd be ready for launch, god knows they've had long enough.
But it's looking like we'll have to wait for it to be added centuries after launch :rolleyes:
But at least it's looking more certain that we'll have BT4... eventually.

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