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rasik_35 2011-07-26 10:59

webOS med apps in n900
 
I was wondering if I could install the webOS medical apps for use in my n900. I don't want garnet vm as an answer. I'm already using it. I downloaded an ipk file (net.palmdoc.eponymshb_2.0.0.all.ipk) and tried to install it using the instructions given in this forum previously for installation of ipk file but was not successful.
The contents of the ipk file are not like those in case of games like sims3 (where there's a folder, a json file and a game file)
Contents include;
i. app (folder)
ii. images (folder)
iii. depends.js
iv. sources.json
v. ares.js
vi. index. html
vii. appinfo.json
viii. icon.png
ix. app-build.js
x. app.js
xi. ares_version.json
xii. framework_config.json

I can't figure out which one is the application file and what are all these js files... Please help me out....

cddiede 2011-07-26 11:03

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
What you have here is a normal "Mojo" WebOS app. Not a WebOS game.

The "Normal" webOS apps are written under the WebOS Mojo Software Developer Kit (SDK) and utilize some very specific and closed libraries not available on Maemo.

WebOS games, however, are written with the WebOS Native Developer Kit (NDK) and utilize only open GLES protocols and libraries to execute on the WebOS hardware.

Since the N900 shares almost all of the same GPU hardware as the WebOS phones and both run true linux (unlike Android), we are able to use a lightweight application like PreEnv to bridge the small remaining gap in our phone environments to allow us to run the WebOS games natively.

Long story short: We can run WebOS games or apps written under their NDK, but we have no chance of running Mojo apps written under their SDK.

rasik_35 2011-07-26 11:10

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
thanks cddiede
then do you know of any med apps written in NDK that may be used using preenv.

cddiede 2011-07-26 11:19

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rasik_35 (Post 1058495)
thanks cddiede
then do you know of any med apps written in NDK that may be used using preenv.

Unfortunately none. The NDK is much more complicated to write with as it allows for full C++ code interacting directly with the hardware without the Mojo abstraction layer. Using it for non-graphically intensive applications would be overkill for the average WebOS developer.

FYI: Mojo was originally intended to allow WebOS applications to be written much the same way as interactive web pages to ease development, unlike the complicated C++ application languages used by more complicated apps (games and traditional programs).

This is the main reason why WebOS was called WEB OS as it was supposed to be just as easy to write apps as it was to write web pages.

However, when the iPhone started making waves with more complicated games running in standard code and producing performance and visual effects outside the range of Mojo ( or in the case of Android's Java based abstraction layer: Dalvik) then Palm released an NDK allowing the same complicated and graphically intense code to execute on WebOS. If you look, Google released an NDK that bypasses Dalvik around the same time.

rasik_35 2011-07-26 11:27

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
the maemo repositories are very poor as far as med apps are concerned.... hope it's not that people don't want medical personnels to use n900

jedi 2011-07-26 11:31

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rasik_35 (Post 1058512)
the maemo repositories are very poor as far as med apps are concerned.... hope it's not that people don't want medical personnels to use n900

It's probably more due to the fact that no-one has written and uploaded any.

Here's your chance to contribute: http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Development

cddiede 2011-07-26 11:40

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
The PalmOS was famous for it's library of hugely popular and useful medical applications. My family doctor still uses a Treo just for the reason that he refuses to stop using several of his favorite medical applications such as Epocrates. He's not alone:

http://palmaddict.typepad.com/palmad...eal-to-pa.html

The number of wonderful medical apps for PalmOS can't be overstated:

http://www.mobilefan.net/Palm-OS.nsf...ftware/Medical

It is nice to have the Garnet VM on the N900, allowing us to run all of these classic apps. Even WebOS 2.0 devices no longer have this ability with the termination of Classic support.

And if you install TealOS on your Garnet VM on the N900, you can even maintain the feel and usability of WebOS!!

http://gadgetsonthego.net/2009/02/te...o-palm-os.html

rasik_35 2011-07-26 11:48

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cddiede (Post 1058522)

And if you install TealOS on your Garnet VM on the N900, you can even maintain the feel and usability of WebOS!!

http://gadgetsonthego.net/2009/02/te...o-palm-os.html


teal os no longer available... is this teal wheel the same? any free links????

cddiede 2011-07-26 12:07

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rasik_35 (Post 1058527)
teal os no longer available... is this teal wheel the same? any free links????

Looks like Palm lawyered them to death over that. I mean why upgrade to WebOS when you could run TealOS on your Centro, right? LOL

Private Message me and I can send you the URL for an unlimited trial for Teal OS. I'm currently on day 476 of my teal OS trial inside my Garnet VM. :)

rasik_35 2011-07-26 15:31

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
why has epocrates ditched palm os??? no longer available for download in prc format

rasik_35 2011-07-26 15:40

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
is archimedes available in prc format? archimedes can only be found as archimedes_palmwin.exe. does it work with gvm/

cddiede 2011-07-26 15:47

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
Many commercial Palm OS apps were distributed as Windows .exe files.
Mostly, all you have to do is double click the .exe file in Windows and it unpacks the .prc or .pdb files and engages the Palm Hotsync application.

You can still do this with the archimedes_palmwin.exe file, but instead of Hotsyncing it, just manually copy the .prc/.pdb files to your memory card and then install them one at a time to your Garnet VM.

cddiede 2011-07-26 15:49

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rasik_35 (Post 1058681)
why has epocrates ditched palm os??? no longer available for download in prc format

Really? I still see it for sale here:
http://www.epocrates.com/products/palm/rxpro.html

There's also the online version:
https://online.epocrates.com/

rasik_35 2011-07-26 16:41

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
@cddiede
Thanks, well i was unaware how to extract prc files from exe file. thx for help.
well, no luck with epocrates. archimedes worked

Addison 2011-07-26 21:46

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
The best med book I know of that can run on the tablet can be found here.
http://www.skyscape.com/estore/produ...productid=1188

PM me if you need any details on how to use the files required for this. :)

prankster 2011-07-26 22:02

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
being a medical student i only miss this part on my n900,official medical apps from maemo .anyway i am optimistic ,or i will have to stick to GVm..hope sooner or later some one shows up with a great medical app.thanks for the thread though !

Addison 2011-07-26 22:09

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
There are also Android versions of these as well but I don't know how to install them since I'm still enjoying my N800. :)

rasik_35 2011-07-27 02:45

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
@ Addison

can we still use epocrates??? wht abt diagnosaurus?

rasik_35 2011-07-27 02:48

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cddiede (Post 1058692)
Really? I still see it for sale here:
http://www.epocrates.com/products/palm/rxpro.html

There's also the online version:
https://online.epocrates.com/

well i unpacked it and installed the prc and pdb files but still can't get the icon in the gvm menubar to launch it

rasik_35 2011-07-27 04:15

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
can gvm hold more than 64 mb? my gvm is flooding

Addison 2011-07-27 04:20

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
I currently have about 50 full med apps and I'm using 8 mb of storage, and to be quite honest, I should have set it to only 4 mb instead when I first started installing all of these.

There's a nifty little trick that can be done to get this. :)

Anyway, as for Epocrates, I'm not quite sure what you're doing on your end.

This is how I installed it back in the day and I believe it should still work.
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=271057&postcount=2

Cheers. :)

rasik_35 2011-07-27 04:43

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
how can we know the available memory in gvm

Addison 2011-07-27 04:51

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
^ It's one of the options in the drop down menu when you're running GVM.

rasik_35 2011-07-27 08:45

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Addison (Post 1059065)
^ It's one of the options in the drop down menu when you're running GVM.

i find the total memory (1,2,4,8,16,32,64) but not free memory

rasik_35 2011-07-27 14:59

Re: webOS med apps in n900
 
is there really a trick to adapt any amount of file in gvm? if then, tell me i'm going to restart with gvm


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