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Mandibela 2011-08-01 08:12
New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Youtube had this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YJdCO-F9Bc

I heard no rumors that this was coming!

No S40 yet.. Symbian Anna.

http://aani.nokia.fi/2011/08/01/julk...yt-ja-varikas/

jo21 2011-08-01 08:24
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
nokia needs to get belle out now.

and improve that resolution.

kike 2011-08-01 08:29
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
It shout have smaller body or bigger screen. But I have to say it is cheap. Why they put best cpu for low mobile first? Or does it come before N9.

Mandibela 2011-08-01 08:50
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
http://www.nokiablog.ro/sistem-opera...ian-belle?=zcj Belle screens - not too convincing... =/

marrat 2011-08-01 08:59
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jo21 (Post 1062109)
nokia needs to get belle out now.

and improve that resolution.
640x360 is enough for that small 3.2" screen...

jo21 2011-08-01 09:02
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by marrat (Post 1062137)
640x360 is enough for that small 3.2" screen...
yeah but for the next phones.

like 4'+ ones. nHD doesnt cut it.

i kind liking belle, very simple, but it does basic well. but it needs to be released now.

marrat 2011-08-01 09:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jo21 (Post 1062141)
yeah but for the next phones.

like 4'+ ones. nHD doesnt cut it.

i kind liking belle, very simple, but it does basic well. but it needs to be released now.
Yes, in that matter I agree with you. Symbian does support higher resolutions, it's only a question of hardware in this case...

jo21 2011-08-01 09:21
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
this is so called n5

it looks like no more n-series after all

j d 2011-08-01 09:23
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jo21 (Post 1062141)
yeah but for the next phones.

like 4'+ ones. nHD doesnt cut it.

i kind liking belle, very simple, but it does basic well. but it needs to be released now.
I don't think Symbian cuts it for 4 inch phones.

Symbian is not so bad at this form factor though, because people will use this primarily as a phone - web browsing and apps will likely be secondary.

Hurrian 2011-08-01 09:46
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Nokia's back to Xpress-on covers?
Anyways, this is a total waste, Symbian does not need anything near 1GHz. It was built for sparse hardware, y'know, low power devices?

In before Symbian doesn't do CPU frequency scaling and runs it at 1GHz all the time (then again, the device is thick and it might be 65% battery)

patlak 2011-08-01 09:55
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Wasn't this phone running Belle on the leaked pics? Is Elop persistently trying to kill products that are not running WP7 before release?

patlak 2011-08-01 10:27
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Presented in lots of hotness

triple_a 2011-08-01 11:02
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1062190)
So much FAIL in so little time. How can it be so laggy? It looks laggier than N8, which has a slower processor.

One reason that comes to mind is that Nokia saved on the BOM by not including the external Broadcom GPU so everything is rendered using the CPU only. The CPU is probably the same ARM11 that is used in all S^3 phones only overclocked to 1GHz.

If this is the case, then even the N900 is more powerful than this phone.

patlak 2011-08-01 11:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by triple_a (Post 1062204)
So much FAIL in so little time. How can it be so laggy? It looks laggier than N8, which has a slower processor.

One reason that comes to mind is that Nokia saved on the BOM by not including the external Broadcom GPU so everything is rendered using the CPU only. The CPU is probably the same ARM11 that is used in all S^3 phones only overclocked to 1GHz.

If this is the case, then even the N900 is more powerful than this phone.
The phone has the same GPU as the N8. The lag that you see on the facebook app is due to it being a wrt client. Symbian Anna can't run without GPU, and they need a GPU that's same or better. It will run all current apps and games.

bbin 2011-08-01 11:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1062225)
The phone has the same GPU as the N8. The lag that you see on the facebook app is due to it being a wrt client. Symbian Anna can't run without GPU, and they need a GPU that's same or better. It will run all current apps and games.
It does not have GPU period:

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...fications/500/
Only arm11 clocked at 1ghz.

Seems like this is the most low-end symbian anna smartphone. Replacement for s60v5 phones that are still on the market.

I think it's a useless model. All smartphones should have gpu.

patlak 2011-08-01 11:46
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bbin (Post 1062226)
It does not have GPU period:

http://www.developer.nokia.com/Devic...fications/500/
Only arm11 clocked at 1ghz.

Seems like this is the most low-end symbian anna smartphone. Replacement for s60v5 phones that are still on the market.

I think it's a useless model. All smartphones should have gpu.
Well it can't run Anna without a GPU. Symbian^3, Anna, Belle are all using GPUs to render the UI. Coverflow is GPU accelerated. This phone has the same GPU at the very least.

EDIT: There are 3D games in the video reveal. Nokia is heavily advertising the 1GHz CPU, so no mention of a GPU, but it has the same broadcom gpu.

Phonearena specs say yes for the GPU

Kangal 2011-08-01 11:56
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Merge threads?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...GHz+S40&page=4

bbin 2011-08-01 11:58
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1062229)
Well it can't run Anna without a GPU. Symbian^3, Anna, Belle are all using GPUs to render the UI. Coverflow is GPU accelerated. This phone has the same GPU at the very least.

EDIT: There are 3D games in the video reveal. Nokia is heavily advertising the 1GHz CPU, so no mention of a GPU, but it has the same broadcom gpu.

Phonearena specs say yes for the GPU
I think I believe a Nokia's developer website more than phonearena :D
Wishful thinking mate...

triple_a 2011-08-01 12:00
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1062229)
Well it can't run Anna without a GPU. Symbian^3, Anna, Belle are all using GPUs to render the UI. Coverflow is GPU accelerated. This phone has the same GPU at the very least.

EDIT: There are 3D games in the video reveal. Nokia is heavily advertising the 1GHz CPU, so no mention of a GPU, but it has the same broadcom gpu.

Phonearena specs say yes for the GPU
On the same Nokia page the X7 is said to have OpenGL accelerator but on the Nokia 500 spec sheet it is absent. Might be due to the device being just revealed or not...

bbin 2011-08-01 12:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by triple_a (Post 1062242)
On the same Nokia page the X7 is said to have OpenGL accelerator but on the Nokia 500 spec sheet it is absent. Might be due to the device being just revealed or not...
Bingo! How hard can it be?

patlak 2011-08-01 12:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bbin (Post 1062238)
I think I believe a Nokia's developer website more than phonearena :D
Wishful thinking mate...
With the N900 and N97 Nokia support, you still would believe them more? :D

BTW, Nokia when first presenting S^3 said that all future devices require GPUs. The UI is GPU accelerated. That's the case here, they don't need to advertise the GPU anymore since it's the same one. The CPU, however, has finally reached a GHz on Symbian, so let's advertize that. And why in the hell would you think that Nokia is capable of fragmenting their OVI store even more when they want to unify it all with Qt? Lack of GPU would suck, and I doubt they are as stupid as they were with the feature pack 2 phones (n96, n85, etc) and s60v5.

bbin 2011-08-01 12:42
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Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1062257)
BTW, Nokia when first presenting S^3 said that all future devices require GPUs. The UI is GPU accelerated.
Okay, this is true. They said that. I give that one to you :D
But I still feel that if it does have gpu, it won't be Broadcom BCM2727. It is something a LOT less powerful.

patlak 2011-08-01 12:56
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbin (Post 1062267)
Okay, this is true. They said that. I give that one to you :D
But I still feel that if it does have gpu, it won't be Broadcom BCM2727. It is something a LOT less powerful.
Why would it have a worse one? It's the same. The CPU is already faster than a Symbian flagship so why would the GPU be any different. It's the same one for sure ;) Nokia is trying to use the same CPU and GPU in their whole line so that there won't be any fragmentation. You don't get HD camera, since the phone is 150 euros, but doesn't mean it's not capable. I am sure it decodes 720p in the media player, but doesn't encode them.

bbin 2011-08-01 13:22
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1062275)
Why would it have a worse one? It's the same. The CPU is already faster than a Symbian flagship so why would the GPU be any different. It's the same one for sure ;) Nokia is trying to use the same CPU and GPU in their whole line so that there won't be any fragmentation. You don't get HD camera, since the phone is 150 euros, but doesn't mean it's not capable. I am sure it decodes 720p in the media player, but doesn't encode them.
Do you mean that gpu is not enabled? I think we need to have a teardown :)

patlak 2011-08-01 13:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bbin (Post 1062285)
Do you mean that gpu is not enabled? I think we need to have a teardown :)
Software is limiting encoding of 720p. The same case with the N900. The SoC is capable of recording 720p, but software is the limiting factor.

RFS-81 2011-08-01 13:44
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1062237)
Alas, this is not an S40 phone.

switch-hitter 2011-08-01 21:08
Re: New Nokia 500 - 1GHz symbian
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hurrian (Post 1062169)
In before Symbian doesn't do CPU frequency scaling and runs it at 1GHz all the time
As I understand it Symbian uses a distributed approach to power saving, many system components can be transitioned to standby or off states as required including the CPU if it supports low power states.

Try Googling the Symbian DPowerController class.


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