Nokia still king of the handset
 

Some interesting figures if your interested!!!!


http://www.techflash.com/seattle/201...ech-bytes.html

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BADA > Wp7.

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The king of mobile industry....

having a clown taken the throne.

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Real sales figures (a la Gartner) as opposed to shipping numbers give a clearer picture of consumer demand IMO.
Interesting that here in Australia, feature/dumb phone sales is what have kept nokia in the top spot in recent quarters, however, they've only achieved the numbers by slashing handset prices in that segment by up to 45%.
It starts to give a clearer picture of how far Nokia is willing to go to retain top spot, when they are willing to sacrifice profitability to do so.

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People like to spotlight and worship companies selling goods at high profit margin, while ditching companies selling goods in high volume but at a relatively lower profit margin. ;)

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Let's see how this continues...

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Accourding to the article, Nokia isn't going to release their Meega phone to the US....

I do hope that Europe gets some "Meega phones" :D

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in the days of N95, even the arrogant Nokia was "selling goods at outrageous profit margins".... looks like it finally bit the dust (for the stupidity it's executives are worth)

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I'm not saying selling goods at high profit is evil, I'm just talking about how people perceive it. Let me explain.

The profit margin increase when the economics of scale has been achieved. However, it doesn't mean a company should not sell goods at high profit margin. Talking about high profit margin N95 is nothing compare to Vertu, a spin-off of Nokia. It is considered fair to customers when the profit margin is proportional to real values in goods.

Some companies, however, fix their goods at a high prices regardless of economics of scale they have achieved. The gain in profit at the expense of social lost could be achieve by monopolization, inelasticity in price change, limiting supply, or legal authorities like patents, etc. At any rate, it's customers' right to fight against these kinds of obvious, but legal, exploitation.

However, opposite is true nowaday. People may love a product because the company manufacturing it is the profit-leader. So being a leader in sales volume is being ditched, while a leader in profit margin are being appraised of.

It is like saying "I love you more when you beat me harder." Call me a conservative, but it's just....wrong.

I might have been over-simplifying in my original statement, but to explain is lengthy and boring. I wish you don't mind.

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not making a judgement, merely pointing out that nokia has had to sacrifice some of their profitability to maintain the lead (at least in aus).

It could be expected that newcomers to the market are willing to sacrifice profits to get their product "out there" and help to rapidly establish a name for themselves, but old hands like Nokia usually only do so when they think they'll be in trouble if they don't. it doesn't help investor confidence either (Ballmer and Co might like it though)
:)

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Nokia don't sacrific profitability to maintain the lead. That is a hopeless point of view. They cut prices to increase profitability that would be lost with too high prices. An effect of this is that the competition must do the same, or they will also loose profitability. A big player can do this, a small player cannot, not without great losses due to less cost effective production and logistics. Everyone looses profitability, but the big ones increases their profitability in relative terms. The problem now is that Samsung is the one that gains most by this, but what else can Nokia do? Their hope is that WP will change this, so they can do both, some high profitable devices and a billion low profitable devices.

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This is awesome! I have actually noticed that i have a mental ignore on ericsson's posts. Whenever i see his name my eyes instinctively skip a page.

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If you cut prices without cutting costs nor increasing the quantities sold, then it WILL negatively affect your profit. DUH.

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note that there is often (yet not always) a negative correlation between price and quantities sold, all other thing beeing equal.
Notwithstanding the fact that other factors might impact quantities sold.

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This reminded me of back in the old day when Netscape dominated the browser market share and charged people for using its browser then Microsoft invested millions of dollars to build IE browser just to give away free.

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Yup, that's why I mentioned quantity in my statement above.

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nokia's symbian failed them but they STILL THEY RETAIN THE TOP SPOT..

http://www.gsmarena.com/gartner_q2_r...-news-2992.php

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Still you managed to make this post :) You have to try harder than this little boy.

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No one is arguing that. The point was that Nokia doesn't cut prices to "win" or "lead", they cut prices to increase profit (by hopefully increasing sales).

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Speaking of backhanded compliments...

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It is really funny how Nokia can't even kill its own symbian :D.

I wonder how do they expect to compete with android and iOS?

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Nokia will soon be the King of all handsets that are cheap and low-margin and soon the jester of unwanted WM7 smartphones.

To be fair the WM7 smartphone stategy is a good short-term one but long-term destined for failure.

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wee go BADA. :p

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nokia cant. ANDROID is all time winner man. i bet.