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tobymansell 2011-08-15 12:33

After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Was wondering what peoples recommendations would be for a wifi sniffer stronger than the one im using is which is the n900 default.

Thanks very much.

mr_pingu 2011-08-15 14:00

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
kismet :D Can be found in extras-devel, needs a little of exploring and figuring before you can use it easily ;)

tobymansell 2011-08-15 15:35

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Thanks

I can see Kismet and the plugins (AutoWep, BTScan, DOT15D4 or PTW)

How do i know the relivent one for me?

thank you.

vi_ 2011-08-15 15:41

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
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Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1070349)
Thanks

I can see Kismet and the plugins (AutoWep, BTScan, DOT15D4 or PTW)

How do i know the relivent one for me?

thank you.

You ONLY need kismet, avoid the plugins for now.

tobymansell 2011-08-15 15:53

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
ur a legend thanks fellas!

tobymansell 2011-08-15 15:57

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Hi again,

Ok have just installed kisnet and its not appearing in my installed apps...
do i need to run it through terminal and if so how would i do it and what would need to be typed in order to beging the sniffing process?

thanks guys.

vi_ 2011-08-15 15:59

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
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Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1070377)
Hi again,

Ok have just installed kisnet and its not appearing in my installed apps...
do i need to run it through terminal and if so how would i do it and what would need to be typed in order to beging the sniffing process?

thanks guys.

Run from terminal as root.

tobymansell 2011-08-15 16:05

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Hi,

have just gone into terminal and written root and pressed enter then typed kismet to which it started up this dos looking screen which i am given an option yes or no to. When i press yes or no i get an error saying: localhost:2501 will attempt to reocnnect in 5 seconds.
Is there something else i should do?

Thanks again

mr_pingu 2011-08-15 16:10

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
use tab key to navigate in kismet and to get into topbars use the esc key ;) You should start a kismet server so please choose yes and the start server... turn on your brightness to level 5 as dark grey is hard to read with black background =/

tobymansell 2011-08-15 17:15

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Hi there,
Thanks for your reply.

Ok no problem... following your directions...so far it has been doing something on its own and has been going for half an hour and says on the bottom last 5 lines of text "INFO: Saved Data Files"

do i need to wait for this or should i press something?

thanks v much.

mr_pingu 2011-08-15 17:21

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
You can find the files in MyDocs, with the date and kismet as filename ;)

smegheadz 2011-08-15 17:22

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
tip: leave it running for a while and the phone gets quite hot. caps are stored default in mydocs, wireshark is handy for analysing the packets (on your desktop, the wireshark in extra's has terrible ui issues.

Estel 2011-08-15 17:29

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Why the hell one should avoid plugins? (vi_, I'm looking at You)

tobymansell 2011-08-15 17:37

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
hi. yes i see the files in MyDocs but not sure how i would use them to sniff out and connect to networks. can this all be used on my n900 somehow? thanks.

tobymansell 2011-08-15 20:59

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
hey guys.

what do i do after the files end up on mydocs?

thank u

prankster 2011-08-15 21:20

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/2010/05/1...-for-the-n900/
this might help .

tobymansell 2011-08-16 08:30

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
hey guys. sorry really cant get my head round this prog. what am i supposed to do with all the files when they are in mydocs?

i have seen that website lised above but am struggling to access the client files as it says permission denied on x terminal.

what would i ned to do with the files when i actually configure them?

is there not another prog similar to this which is more newbie friendly?

thanks guys for the help

vi_ 2011-08-16 08:39

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1070989)
hey guys. sorry really cant get my head round this prog. what am i supposed to do with all the files when they are in mydocs?

i have seen that website lised above but am struggling to access the client files as it says permission denied on x terminal.

what would i ned to do with the files when i actually configure them?

is there not another prog similar to this which is more newbie friendly?

thanks guys for the help

I dont know why these guys are spoonfeeding you hot sh|t pudding.


1. Open xterm
2. type 'root' to get a root shell
3. Kismet will ask if you want to start server. Choose yes (it is already highlightes, just press return)
4. It will ask you for your server options, just press return
5. some sh|t will appear on screen, this is the console output. Press tab, this should highlight 'close console window'. Press return.
6. You should now see all the wifi networks around you.
7. The controls are a bit funny (they used to be WAY easier back in the day) just play around till you get it.

The files you will find in the path you invoked kismet from. They are the log files. Kismet should also start up the GPS in order to record the locations of all the networks found (so you can plot them on google maps 'n sh|t).

This all assumes you have rootsh and powerkernel installed.

The guy shouldn't bother with the plugins as he barely understands how to operate the program, nevermind a whole bunch more sh*t on top of that. Not to mention 2/3 of the plugins are useless for a noob. (bluetooth, broken. WEP, pointless. PMK, WTF that is.)

Also, kismet is the AK47 of wifi sniffers. Can you explain what it is you want to do exactly?

tobymansell 2011-08-16 08:49

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Hi therefollowed all your directions successfully up until here:

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You should now see all the wifi networks around you.
the things i see around me are: Elapsed 00:3.09, Networks 0, Packets, /sec, Filtered.

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The files you will find in the path you invoked kismet from. They are the log files. Kismet should also start up the GPS in order to record the locations of all the networks found (so you can plot them on google maps 'n sh|t).
What would be the need to plot them in to google maps? To get the exact location of the wifi points so i can walk there and use the net right?

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This all assumes you have rootsh and powerkernel installed.
Rootsh yes, powerkernel no.. can this be found in the app manager?

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Also, kismet is the AK47 of wifi sniffers. Can you explain what it is you want to do exactly?
Yes i would like to be able to pick up nearby wifi points in the neighbour hood and use them for internet access (if of course they dont have pass wep/wpa keys)

Have i got the right software here?

vi_ 2011-08-16 09:14

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1071005)
Hi therefollowed all your directions successfully up until here:

the things i see around me are: Elapsed 00:3.09, Networks 0, Packets, /sec, Filtered.

looks like its not picking up any networks. Are there any around? Remember the N900 is not THAT sensitive.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1071005)
What would be the need to plot them in to google maps? To get the exact location of the wifi points so i can walk there and use the net right?

wardriving, it is even more dorkish than bus-spotting


Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1071005)
Rootsh yes, powerkernel no.. can this be found in the app manager?

yes, although you don't need powerkernel for this. My mistake.


Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1071005)
Yes i would like to be able to pick up nearby wifi points in the neighbour hood and use them for internet access (if of course they dont have pass wep/wpa keys)

Have i got the right software here?

mmmm, not really. kismet is a full on passive wlan packet sniffer. It will pick up access points that are even to far away to actually use for Internet access.

If you just want to find open access points and connect to them for whatever nefarious schemes the best option is actually the drop down connect to network status menu thing. It only lists access points you can actually use. The padlock next to the name indicates what encryption method is in use if at all any. Is there some problem with this?

If your into stealing someone else's wifi when you don't have any of your own (would you not steal bread to feed your starving family?) You need to look 'bleeding edge wifi drivers' and use one of the many packages for cracking WEP keys.

tobymansell 2011-08-16 09:33

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
thnaks for your help you seem to really know your stuff about this!

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looks like its not picking up any networks. Are there any around? Remember the N900 is not THAT sensitive.
according to the default wifi sniffer yes there are about 6 in range around this neighbourhood. Why isnt kismet even finding one of them?

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mmmm, not really. kismet is a full on passive wlan packet sniffer. It will pick up access points that are even to far away to actually use for Internet acces
s

Wow! so it will crack them also or only access them if they are unlocked?

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If your into stealing someone else's wifi when you don't have any of your own (would you not steal bread to feed your starving family?) You need to look 'bleeding edge wifi drivers' and use one of the many packages for cracking WEP keys.
In answer to this, definately!
what can you recommend as the most affective and useful are they on the app manager?

thanks so much for your help.

vi_ 2011-08-16 09:48

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1071029)
thnaks for your help you seem to really know your stuff about this!



according to the default wifi sniffer yes there are about 6 in range around this neighbourhood. Why isnt kismet even finding one of them?

To be honest, I have no idea. Without looking at the console logs I could not tell you. However perhaps you could figure it out by looking over the logs.

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Wow! so it will crack them also or only access them if they are unlocked?
Kismet will not crack networks, it simply finds them.

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In answer to this, definately!
what can you recommend as the most affective and useful are they on the app manager?

thanks so much for your help.
There is 'faircrack', 'cleven' and even a slightly modified version of 'wifite'.

However I must warn you, what you are getting into is quite advanced. People will expect you to read, read, read some more then do some more reading followed by a healthy dose of more reading. You must also consider the legal ramifications of using a computer system without permission (meh).

Some links to get you started:

aircrack

The WEP cipher weakness

Some info on how to use xterm

The stuff you are talking about getting into here is not difficult when you understand, just keep at it.

tobymansell 2011-08-16 10:43

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
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To be honest, I have no idea. Without looking at the console logs I could not tell you. However perhaps you could figure it out by looking over the logs.
How would i go about viewing the logs is it an important part of needing to connect to the wireless networks or does it just tell you info of everything thats happened through out the sniffing process?

thanks very much

vi_ 2011-08-16 10:54

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1071063)
How would i go about viewing the logs is it an important part of needing to connect to the wireless networks or does it just tell you info of everything thats happened through out the sniffing process?

thanks very much

KIsmet simply tells you about a particular network. In order to connect to any given network you would have to close kismet (with ctrl+c) then connect using the network connection thing in the status bar.

tobymansell 2011-08-16 11:01

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
No problem... just running kisnet then closing it (after its found the networks) is enough for my n900 to automatically detect more wifi's than it usually would right?

Also how long should i leave kismet sniffing for before exitting it?

thanks.

tobymansell 2011-08-16 16:24

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Hi there,

I have just been out on road in the car and it has sniffed about 4 networks but im not sure what to press or do after that?

Yes it has detected the networks but what do i need to do in order to connect to them? Presumably it sniffs out network which the standard wifi sniffer wouldnt usually sniff out right?

But how do i make it so im able to connect to them?

thank you.

Estel 2011-08-16 17:39

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1071073)
No problem... just running kisnet then closing it (after its found the networks) is enough for my n900 to automatically detect more wifi's than it usually would right?

Also how long should i leave kismet sniffing for before exitting it?

thanks.

Wrong. Kismet discovers network and stored info about them/data from them (depending on settings). It have nothing to do with Your regular Maemo connection dialog.

I recommend you to follow vi_ advices and take 2-3 days of reading, before asking any other question. Of course, it's perfectly up to You, but it seems that You don't have a clue what You're asking about (no offense - everyone was new to some thing, at certain point), so if You continue asking about things that you can obviously find yourself by just reading documentation, you may see less and less helpful responses.

And trust me, most of the times, You can count if someone really tried and dont know how, or is just plain "lazy", by only looking at question.

tobymansell 2011-08-16 18:19

Re: After a decent strong wifi sniffer
 
fair play to you mate ill read up on it.


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