Google buying Motorola - now will MS buy Nokia?
 

Just curious if you think the Google/Motorola deal will put pressure on Microsoft to actually buy Nokia instead of just controlling it.

http://investor.google.com/releases/2011/0815.html
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2011/...o-acquire.html

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Google bought Motorola mainly i think for the Patents. its like right in Microsoft's and Apple's face now.. so many patents under google's belt now!..

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Google is a business, and in business you come first.
There's no way Google will give out Motorola's patents to HTC or Samsung.

Google will continue selling Google phones as Motorolas and avoid the big disputes with Microsoft and Apple, whereas the rest will be mauled by lawsuits and loyalties to Apple, Microsoft, Nokia and Motorola.

The other thing could be Google also buys patents/loyalties off the other companies. Then Google sells Android to HTC, Samsung, Sony, LG, Dell, Acer, ASUS, etc to have the "with Google" endorsment.
And that endorsement offers Android, Google's proprietary applications, protection from lawsuits ... so basically all those royalties (~$10 a device) HTC sells would not go to Microsoft but it'll goto Google's pocket.
This second move gives Google a better public image, so it seems to be the more likely scenario.

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No doubt patents are a big part of it, but the same could be said for a MS/Nokia deal.

No, my gut feeling is it's more about hardware and being able to dictate exactly what hardware runs basic Android OS on Google-branded phones, a-la Apple with the iPhone and iOS. And Google is not so stupid they haven't noticed the piles of money Apple is making on hardware sales.

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IMO it's about patents. Google lacked them in mobile space, and in time the patent disputes would have strangled Android. Google did the wise thing and reacted before that could happen.

Wise decision.

A sad one at the same time too. I'd rather have seen Nokia ended up in Google's possession than in Microsoft's.

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If this forces other makers away from android to W7 then Nokia has a great insurance policy in Meego.

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Eh? Maybe it's cos I haven't finished my coffee, but this doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

If this does force HW manufacturers away from Android (why would Google want this? surely they'd want the opposite, with all the royalties/patent strangehold/ad views this would entail) then why would this cause Nokia to need an insurance policy? More WP7 takeup is good for the new Zombie Nokia, unless I'm missing something...

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+1

On the patent side, there's another possibility. Instead of charging for the patents they own, Google could strengthen Android's market position even further by offering free usage rights to HTC,Samsung and others if they use Google-approved versions of vanilla Android. That way they can have some control of the (so called) "fragmentation problem" caused in part by Sense, Motoblur and similar overlays without making Android more closed than it already is. The carrot-and-stick approach. Use vanilla Android, we won't charge patent fees.

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Next one is SE. Unless a miracle happens, SE will be gone soon. I believe in miracles :)

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All i can think of is Microsoft buying another big company..be it Nokia or be it LG/SE.. just to get Wp7 share somewhere visible in the market now...this deal is a warning sign for them.

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MS won't buy Nokia, they do not need the patents, have a committed OEM in them already and now, not buying an OEM, is going to be a comparative advantage for MS vis a vis Googorola & Apple.

BTW, Nokia is up almost 12% today in pre day trading, back to mid june levels.

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He actually has a point, google can do whatever they want as motorola with their phones, no restriction whatsoever so it might get other manufacturers thinking about putting all their eggs in the android basket so it might mean some good news for meego.

Just a note, This takeover happened quite soon after motorola announced that they are developing a mobile Linux based OS on their own.

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I can't really see any good reasons why MS would buy Nokia, as Nokia is already in bed with MS and won't get away from there for a while. Nokia's patents might be such reason, but MS seems to have quite good patent portfolio already now (at least based on all of these news about law suits, patent agreements and so on).

Just my 0.02€...

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Sounds good, but when has having enough of anything ever stopped MSFT going after more?

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I don't think Google wanted a manifacturer. They just needed a way to defend against MS and Apple and what better chance than this??? I mean Motorola?? They probably have the patent for the cell phone or something like that :p. And their not so stupid as to alienate HTC, Samsung etc. IMO this is just checkmate on companies that instead of trying to make a decent mobile OS try to block others from offering theirs. Yes Stephen you know who I am talking about

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$12.5 Billion for some patents. Let's see how they pay off in the future. I just think that's a tad bit much just to fight off this patent trolling that Microsoft, Oracle and Apple are all doing right now.

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Well considering how hard android was being hit. And these aren't just any patents we are talking about the guys that made the first cell phone.

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I still think Google sees all the money Apple, Samsung, etc. is making on hardware and would like a piece of that pie. Increased control over Android is part of it. But no doubt patents and the ability to defend Android partners with them was a huge factor.

But my original question was more this: will Google buying Moto Mobile put pressure on MS to actually buy Nokia and put the Microsoft name on phones to try to make WP7 more marketable, particularly in NA where the Nokia name is weak? IOW, the names 'Nokia' and 'WP7' are both weak in the smartphone arena, but 'Microsoft' is still a strong brand worldwide and especially in NA. So would MS buy Nokia to just use that Microsoft brand strength to improve WP7 chances of success?

Call me crazy but I think they might, especially since MS has long been a hardware company. And they've succeeded in making Nokia more affordable.

Then again, there was the Kin...

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Its fun with all those amateur analyses on TMO!

No one beleived Nokia would go WP7 last year. Now exacly the same happens when people dont believe Microsoft will buy Nokia. Its seems many of us(including myself) is to blind, In hope it wont happen...

So Now i give my amateur analyse IMHO it may very well happen in desperation...

Google buying Motorola could be bad for both Microsoft and Nokia.

Now Google can fight patents same way as Apple and Nokia/Microsoft is doing it.

I must say its kinda fun se what the hell will happen. The mobile market is VERY big bussiness for all involved.

But at the same way its even more bad for Meego and N9 future now :-(

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That is also a valid point. :) One thing which has been also mentioned several times in various news sources today, is that Nokia's patent portfolio is very cheap at the moment as share price has been very low. At least when compared to what Google is willing to pay for Moto's shares. Some estimates said that price for Nokia's shares should be around 8 times the current one, if Google's bid is used as reference. But I guess that the truth is not so straightforward.

Oh well, let's see what happens. As they say, we are living interesting times...

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They obviously expect Nokia being bought by MS soon.

Oh, by the way: http://blogs.wsj.com/tech-europe/201...t-to-buy-nokia

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Good point made there that in no way could MS allow anyone else to buy Nokia. That just can't happen. And M$ has the resources to make sure it doesn't.

But...wouldn't it be great to see Intel buy Nokia and put out a bunch of MeeeGo stuff? That would really frost M$.

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I think the wiser question would be... who would want to buy Nokia now? The WP7 deal, the downward spiral, the lack of higher priced tier phone releases - no real N-Series since the N8 and it was a Symbian phone which is also being phased out... seriously.

Nokia doesn't look good to anybody other than Microsoft at this moment. It's like MS pissed on all four corners, marking their territory on this deal.

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Not sure there is anybody else out there that both could and would.

Google paid +60% over market cap for Motorola. That would make Nokia, even with post Elopcalypse share prices, very expensive purchase. 30 billion or more in Dollars. Very few corporations could afford that price. Most that could do not have any need for Nokia.

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Let's see, current NOK price 6.17*1.6 ~= 9.9.....it's just a barely more than the max. over the past six month. Elop did a good job making Nokia a delicious company for buyout.:D

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Never say never.

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Why should Microsoft buy Nokia?
Nokia is already doing what Microsoft need and want. And if WP7 fails Microsoft is able to move on... Nokia has currently the full risk.

But what about this funny thought: What if Intel will buy Nokia? :rolleyes:

Buy Nokia, create a second division for MobileComputerPhones with MeeGo and kick the WP7 niche to where they come from. :D

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Interesting conjecture! That could throw a huge wrench into WP7 plans, and possibly boost MeeGo quite a bit. And Nokia stock IS low enough for a hostile takeover...

I think Helmuth is onto something.

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That would depend on how much intel is willing to piss off microsoft and ruin their relationship, although I suppose MS fired the first shot announcing it will support arm with win 8

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Yes,

I think Nokia is obvious target for Intel. Because Intel now is a biggest loser on mobile market. And Intel had and still has some working relationship with M$

EDIT: Rumor is that Nokia still floats because Apple pays $0.5bln patent royalties to Nokia...

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Actually that's already been underway for the past few years at least.

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No one is going to buy Nokia. They are too big and they are too old. There is no potential for growth in Nokia, only billion truckloads of baggage.

What we are seeing is the end of Android as we know it. Android is out of control and Google want to control it like Apple does. ZTE and Huawei and other chinese manufacturers will go their own ways, do their own market places and leave Google with nothing. Samsung want to get out of Android over to WP and Bada. Who knows what HTC wants, and who cares anyway.

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And plenty of assets that, together, are worth more than the current NOK share price suggests.

Some savvy outfit very well could purchase Nokia, and for billions of good reasons.

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And what they could put in phones instead of Android - WP7? Symbion? or may be MeeGo?

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Intel makes money out of hardware build for deskops not cell phones. The desktop is dominated by MS and I don't think they would want to jeopardize that + spend a *****load of money just to have a chance in a very hostile market.

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That will protect them from traditional radio manufacturers. Oracle-Google remains unaffected.

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Ah, exactly like Motorola, eh? ;) :D

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Moto has a license for Java Mobile (or whatever from Oracle). It would be transferred to Google I believe.

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This wont effect nokia one bit. Google buy motorola due to what apple is trying to do to the android ecosystem. This is just googles way to say back down and it will work. Android came in and out does iOS in many aspects and apple doesnt like it. Good post on www.xoomforum.com as to why the downfall of apple will happen again if you wanna read it.

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I suggested back in post #22 maybe Intel could buy Nokia to make MeeGo devices. Probably would be a good move despite the price to put the Intel/Nokia/MeeGo plan back in action. Both companies are in some danger of becoming afterthoughts in the mobile marketplace.

Microsoft cannot - will not - ever allow that to happen. Nor will Elop and his cronies. Nokia has been infiltrated. They will be assimilated. Resistance is futile!