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sabresh 2011-08-18 13:18
Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Hi Guys,

Will the N9/N950 be overclockable as the N900 was ? I keep reading about this security framework (Aegis), does this cause any issues ?

If not, do we have any progress information on overclocking thr N950:) ?


Thanks

funkmunk 2011-08-19 17:54
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
I think it should be possible to overclock the N9 too as the OMAP chips can be easily overclocked through proper software...just wait for a new members to get their hands on the N9 and u will have ur wish fulfilled...

BigBadGuber! 2011-08-19 18:01
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sabresh (Post 1072359)
Hi Guys,

Will the N9/N950 be overclockable as the N900 was ? I keep reading about this security framework (Aegis), does this cause any issues ?

If not, do we have any progress information on overclocking thr N950:) ?


Thanks
Why would you want to do that?

mirciox 2011-08-19 18:06
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1073216)
Why would you want to do that?
Why wouldn't he?

tissot 2011-08-19 18:14
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1073216)
Why would you want to do that?
Do we need to do that one of the most epic thread and longest this forum has ever had, again?
Just like N900/Maemo 5, N9/N950/Harmattan got OS that will always benefit from boost as both have live multitasking on the very core of UI.
If you are going to keep the device, will not go bankrupt if the device fries itself(non where verified on the epic N900 overclocking thread), why not.


I have had N900 running on 900mhz-1ghz since the first day this finnish guy(sorry can't remember you name) released his overclocking kernel back in last year around March.
It transformer the N900 to another device that could play most of the flash content with no lag, made the video out awesome and not laggy, made the N64 emulator awesome, made the multitasking awesome, made the UI speed awesome etc.

All this with better battery life than my previous non overclocked N900 because of the lowered voltages.

smegheadz 2011-08-19 18:48
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
just thinking about it. the N9 is basicly improved hardware with the same os, the core of maemo 5 is there, so i can imagine an overclocked n900 at 1ghz will compare to the n9, obviously this isn't fully accurate but it is a good indication of what the performance will be like. going by what has been seen with multi-tasking i'm impressed. i can only imagine how smooth it would be with a few hundred mhz added on top.

mirciox 2011-08-19 19:27
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
It will be even faster because of the 1 GB of RAM.
The thing I like most about my N900 is that it has great community support, overclocking capabilities, lots of ways to customise it, multiboot and so on, and this is the only thing that another phone couldn't offer me before it, and that's why I've kept it for over a year: It's the only one that can do so many, even though it doesn't have so many games/apps as symbian, but the apps you can get are REALY usefull. I can't remember the last phone I've kept for such a long period, and if I'll want an upgrade, my dream phone will be an N900 beast with 1 GHz dual core processor and 1 GB RAM. Too bad the N9 doesn't have a qwerty and N950 is a developer phone only.

And on top of that, I bet that if Nokia would have offered full support for the N900 as they promised, a lot of N900 users wouldn't have gotten a new phone for a long time. Too bad that most of the companies think at quantity, not at quality.

sabresh 2011-09-08 08:04
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
I got a hands on with a N9 today !! Great great device .. really smooth. Though after using the galaxy s2, the reference point for performance has been raised. I am sure that if we can overclock the N9 to around 1.3 - 1.4 Ghz, it should perform close to the S2 atleast at most common things.

sabresh 2011-09-27 12:58
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Guys, now that the device is shipping, I guess this becomes more important than ever. I am sure a lot of people on this forum want to know about this.

Anyone with any info ?

Hurrian 2011-09-27 13:12
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
With the N900 being overclocked to almost 100% of the chip's 600MHz rated speed, I wonder what the OMAP 3630 can pull off -- 1.5? 1.7? 2.0?

slai 2011-09-28 07:56
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
*drool* 2.0...

jakiman 2011-10-03 05:16
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
SGS1 which uses a similar Cortex A8 1GHz CPU and it was quite stable for most people up to 1.2GHz even with undervolting. The later US variants such as Epic/Fascinate etc could go up to 1.6GHz and some found it perfectly stable up to 1.5GHz. So based on the N9 using something similar, I can make some slightly-educated guesses.

- 1.2GHz should be a guaranteed stable clock frequency IMHO. Might even be considered a perfectly safe overclock as it may hardly put any extra stress on the CPU. It should also give a nice 10%+ boost to app loading times, web page rendering etc.
- 1.4GHz will be stable for some probably. Just guessing here but I reckon it's doable and if lucky, 100% stable for over 50% of people. I wil be very happy if I can achieve this.
- 1.5GHz+ is very uncertain. It all depends on how good the SoC used in the N9 is. But if it is possible and stable, it should give quite a noticeable improvement in performance.

I reckon N9 will show a much more noticeable difference once overclocked compared to N900 due to the huge boost in RAM. My N900 ran at 1.1GHz ALL the time for over a year never missing a beat and although it's definitely noticeable, the lack of RAM limits N900's capacity to multitask bigger apps smoothly. (even a few MicroB browser instances can make N900 laggy)

So someone please make this happen on the N9 like how it was done on the N900!!

sabresh 2011-10-29 02:41
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Hi Guys,
Any progress on the N9 overclock ?

F2thaK 2011-10-29 02:55
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
cant wait for this...!

JjyKs 2011-11-10 07:40
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Any new about oc:ing this great phone? :rolleyes:

jalyst 2011-11-14 06:37
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
^ Follow the Nokia & AEGIS thread at forum.meego.com.
Only once it gets fully resolved can we talk about OC'ing.

jakiman 2011-11-18 22:06
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
There is no source code available for PR1.1 apparently.
Anyways, N9 seems less open/hackable than Android right now.
I guess we just need to wait a bit more and hope this will eventuate.

rafael2k 2012-01-24 01:21
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Hi there people, where can I get the kernel source code?
I'm already using an openmode patched kernel.
Overclock should be very simple, it's just a matter of changing an entry in the omap cpufreq table.

jalyst 2012-01-24 03:46
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rafael2k (Post 1154735)
Hi there people, where can I get the kernel source code?
I'm already using an openmode patched kernel.
Overclock should be very simple, it's just a matter of changing an entry in the omap cpufreq table.
This was discussed in the Nokia & AEGIS thread IIRC.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=36648#post36648
Should be hosted there, but if not go back a few pages in that thread.
IIRC there's a way to request the DVD with sources etc.

shanic89 2012-01-24 04:20
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rafael2k (Post 1154735)
Hi there people, where can I get the kernel source code?
I'm already using an openmode patched kernel.
Overclock should be very simple, it's just a matter of changing an entry in the omap cpufreq table.
Is this what you are after?http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/pool/...an-beta3/free/

rainisto 2012-01-24 06:15
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Even if the cpu would be overclockable, and there's kernel sources out there (http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode....10+0m6.tar.gz), most likely the reason why nobody has posted overclocked kernel here, is the fact that system starts freezing/rebooting on higher clockrates because some other parts of the hardware can only handle 1Ghz cpu speeds.

rafael2k 2012-01-24 13:15
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rainisto (Post 1154779)
Even if the cpu would be overclockable, and there's kernel sources out there (http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode....10+0m6.tar.gz), most likely the reason why nobody has posted overclocked kernel here, is the fact that system starts freezing/rebooting on higher clockrates because some other parts of the hardware can only handle 1Ghz cpu speeds.
Do you have any evidence of what are you saying?
Are you totally guessing or do you really have overclocked your N9/N950? In the case you have overclocked your phone, could you please post the patch?

F2thaK 2012-01-24 13:26
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Hes an infiltrator working for Elop to fight against the N9. He knows its the sh.t and everyone else knows WP7 *is* sh.t.

tissot 2012-01-24 13:34
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rafael2k (Post 1154916)
Do you have any evidence of what are you saying?
Are you totally guessing or do you really have overclocked your N9/N950? In the case you have overclocked your phone, could you please post the patch?
Thinking that every other Android device with OMAP3640 has been overclocked, dunno what he is talking about.
N900 with OMAP3430 has been running happily on 900Mhz and for 2 months on 1Ghz for a year already on my N900.


Could we just skip this "it will destroy the device" it's not possible" part already. It did take 3 pages on the epic N900 overclocking thread before everybody was overclocking the hell out of the device just some months after it's release.

patlak 2012-01-24 14:06
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rainisto (Post 1154779)
Even if the cpu would be overclockable, and there's kernel sources out there (http://maemo.cloud-7.de/950/openmode....10+0m6.tar.gz), most likely the reason why nobody has posted overclocked kernel here, is the fact that system starts freezing/rebooting on higher clockrates because some other parts of the hardware can only handle 1Ghz cpu speeds.
Only one hardware "part" is capable of running at 1GHz and above,and that is the Cortex A8. Factory clocks for the 3630 are 800-1200MHz. Droids with the same SoC are easily overclockable and stable.

mariusmssj 2012-01-24 19:14
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
I'm quite a heavy overclocker on the computer but don't know much about mobile overclocking, could someone explain what would need to be done and what are current problems that stop people from overclocking it?

jalyst 2012-01-24 19:42
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mariusmssj (Post 1155124)
I'm quite a heavy overclocker on the computer but don't know much about mobile overclocking, could someone explain what would need to be done and what are current problems that stop people from overclocking it?
Check out the epic N900 OC thread to get a feel for what it'd be like for N9.
Don't worry about the earlier post, it was pure speculation...
There's no solid info. yet to suggest it won't OC just as well (if not better).

Arie 2012-01-24 19:55
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1155149)
Check out the epic N900 OC thread to get a feel for what it'd be like for N9.
Don't worry about the earlier post, it was pure speculation...
There's no solid info. yet to suggest it won't OC just as well (if not better).
Until aegis open mode with 100% functionality isn't available, overclocking the N9 isn't going to be feasible...

jalyst 2012-01-24 20:04
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Read the entire new AEGIS open-mode thread...
As far as I can ascertain from it, there needn't be show-stoppers when it comes OC'ing.
What we're waiting on, is for someone to start experimenting.

But yes there's some issues that need to be resolved, so it's a friendlier env for n00bs.
Else they'll come rocketing into open-mode looking for OC'ing bliss, & run head-on into them.
But there's actually nothing terribly serious, it's almost entirely problem free now.

Arie 2012-01-24 20:14
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1155161)
Read the entire new AEGIS open-mode thread...
As far as I can ascertain from it, there needn't be show-stoppers when it comes OC'ing.
What we're waiting on, is for someone to start experimenting.

But yes there's some issues that need to be resolved, so it's a friendlier env for n00bs.
Else they'll come rocketing into open-mode looking for OC'ing bliss, & run head-on into them.
But there's actually nothing terribly serious, it's almost entirely problem free now.
Reread the aegis open mode thread... It's clear you have but maybe you skipped over that part... GPS isn't working as are a few other functionalities that are integral to the N9, unless this has changed in under 24 hours I can dig up the post on meego forums handset section and post it if needed...

mariusmssj 2012-01-24 20:41
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1154927)
Thinking that every other Android device with OMAP3640 has been overclocked, dunno what he is talking about.
N900 with OMAP3430 has been running happily on 900Mhz and for 2 months on 1Ghz for a year already on my N900.


Could we just skip this "it will destroy the device" it's not possible" part already. It did take 3 pages on the epic N900 overclocking thread before everybody was overclocking the hell out of the device just some months after it's release.
That's a 400Mhz overclock O_O and it was all nice and stable???

javispedro 2012-01-24 22:31
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rainisto (Post 1154779)
most likely the reason why nobody has posted overclocked kernel here, is the fact that system starts freezing/rebooting on higher clockrates because some other parts of the hardware can only handle 1Ghz cpu speeds.
What usually happens is that the people who know how to do it either do not want or do not care, for many of the reasons that have been posted on many of the previous discussions.

jalyst 2012-01-25 07:35
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1155165)
Reread the aegis open mode thread... It's clear you have but maybe you skipped over that part... GPS isn't working as are a few other functionalities that are integral to the N9, unless this has changed in under 24 hours I can dig up the post on meego forums handset section and post it if needed...
The MeeGo thread was closed (upon request by me) 7-days ago.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=28

The GPS issue is not the issue it was thought to be...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...60#post1150860
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...PS#post1150996
None of the new testers since those posts have cited GPS issues.

There's been a raft of new folks that've jumped in since that thread started.
There are issues, but it mostly seems to be working nicely.
Just not nicely enough to be worry-free for less technically inclined folk.

mariusmssj 2012-01-25 10:33
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1155341)
The MeeGo thread was closed (upon request by me) 7-days ago.
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4575&page=28

The GPS issue is not the issue it was thought to be...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...60#post1150860
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...PS#post1150996
None of the new testers since those posts have cited GPS issues.

There's been a raft of new folks that've jumped in since that thread started.
There are issues, but it mostly seems to be working nicely.
Just not nicely enough to be worry-free for less technically inclined folk.
well it's a progress none the less, and it's only a matter of time before we can overclock N9 with no issues!

rafael2k 2012-01-25 13:43
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arie (Post 1155154)
Until aegis open mode with 100% functionality isn't available, overclocking the N9 isn't going to be feasible...
I'M USING A 100% FULLY FUNCTIONAL N950 IN AEGIS OPEN MODE FOR MORE THEN 2 WEEKS!

Please stop saying open mode is not working...

In the weekend if I find some spare time I'll overclock my N950.

drvar 2012-01-25 13:47
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rafael2k (Post 1155470)
I'M USING A 100% FULLY FUNCTIONAL N950 IN AEGIS OPEN MODE FOR MORE THEN 2 WEEKS!

Please stop saying open mode is not working...

In the weekend if I find some spare time I'll overclock my N950.
So in couple of months we all others who don't understand as much as more skilled and more knowledgeble on this forum will overclock our phones?

rafael2k 2012-01-25 13:55
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by drvar (Post 1155472)
So in couple of months we all others who don't understand as much as more skilled and more knowledgeble on this forum will overclock our phones?
I'm pretty confident that yes, may be even faster then that.

rafael2k 2012-01-25 14:06
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
I hope we could just do this instead of compiling the kernel:
http://code.google.com/p/milestone-o...ki/Disassembly

But we have no /dev/kmem in our Harmattan...

Arie 2012-01-25 14:21
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rafael2k (Post 1155470)
I'M USING A 100% FULLY FUNCTIONAL N950 IN AEGIS OPEN MODE FOR MORE THEN 2 WEEKS!

Please stop saying open mode is not working...

In the weekend if I find some spare time I'll overclock my N950.
Well then it looks like I've been proven wrong...

jalyst 2012-01-25 14:43
Re: Overclocking the N9/N950
 
It's good being wrong, I'm wrong on a regular basis.
You learn new things whenever you're wrong :)


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