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tobymansell 2011-08-21 15:16

Iphone VS N900
 
Hi there people.

What would be a better device to have that can do a lot more overall?
Has the iphone now beaten the n900 in it's features?
would a jailbroken iphone be able to do much more than an n900? What makes the n900 so special?
Plus when it says that the jailbroken iphone can run 3rd party software is that only apple made software or windows made software too?

thanks.

s4br0s0 2011-08-21 15:23

Re: Iphone VS N900
 

1. Go to Power Search.

2. Put Iphone VS N900.

3. Search.

4. READ (a lot).

Grettings.

Dave999 2011-08-21 15:26

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Iphone vs n900...score 0-8

funkmunk 2011-08-21 16:00

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Another lame a** thread....

tobymansell 2011-08-21 19:41

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Yes... well thanks for your opinion Mr. Patell.

D.Cent 2011-08-21 20:37

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Advantage number one is already mentioned in your post... There is no fancy "jailbreaking" or something like that in order to be able to really use the OS.

king Ralphred 2011-08-21 20:39

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Why do you ask, do you have either? Or are you deciding what to get? I had an iphone for 2 years and decided to try something new not knowing what I was doing. I recently got a nexus s as an upgrade, tried it for a month and it's now in it's box as a spare phone.

usb host mode
preenv, webos games on n900
cutetube, youtube video downloader
great community and support (not from nokia)

It is a computer not a phone

And no, a jailbroken iphone will only install software written for iphone but not approved by apple.

I haven't even started to list what this thing can do

Hope this helps.

JamesBond@ge 2011-08-21 21:02

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Put Tobyjug Ears out of his misery someone.

JamesBond@ge 2011-08-21 21:05

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1074078)
Plus when it says that the jailbroken iphone can run 3rd party software is that only apple made software or windows made software too?

thanks.

Why are you asking this on a Maemo forum you mong? Join an Apple forum and ask silly questions there.

What is "Windows made software" anyway?

JamesBond@ge 2011-08-21 21:07

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1074205)
Yes... well thanks for your opinion Mr. Patell.

Yeah, this bit of prejudice against Funkmunk didn't go unnoticed either. Just because he is from Mumbai.

knuthf 2011-08-21 21:48

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
The difference is that of a phone that can do things, and as already said, a full tablet computer that is also a mobile phone.

As long as "master" that is supposed to be the core of the system, and "clients" that interface to this / these - you are in a hierarchy similar to how Marx described society.

If you have seen the light, treasure freedom and do not trust Big Brother to choose for you, you will not accept to rely on any "Ecosystem" what so ever. If Nokia goes with WP7, they will be told a lesson by us the free.

Why not define a "Smartphone" to be a mobile that can run OpenOffice or a database system like any other PC?

That leaves one phone in the market - the N900.

I got my first Nokia 9000 Comunicator in 1996, and browsed the WEB in Beijing when the FCC was along to sell CDMA networks to China. I had the Innolink "Office" equivalents installed and a stack of games. Apple has to be better than Nokia 15 years ago, not only in fancy games and color screens, but real functionality that we need on the road.
So, get me the "Planner" application, a 3D model viewer, a SAP interface and a full Oracle. Why not, it is essential to update the inventory when stock is delivered or taken out, file expense reports and deliver the completed Acceptance Test logg duly signed. It is wonderful to fax to the hotel confirmation that I am coming afterall. Do not expect me to call them, and wait for the receptionist... I want a Smart Phone, and do not accept that Big Brother Steve or Bill or anyone to be able to read my emails.

Marx is dead - the N900 lives.

bass800 2011-08-22 15:27

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Get a iPhone out of the two. However if you want a under powered pen test tool to crack wep and steal passwords with a crappy resistive touch screen that has no official support by Nokia and a USB conector that will eventually break off get the n900. I have one but that thing is showing its age. Android might be a good option.

There is always better and a jailbroken iPhone is a better experience out the 2 and if you want new apps don't bother with n900 unless you know how to cross compile. You'll be dependent on devs on forums like these

You might as well buy a HP touchpad for $99 if you go for a n900. There is a reason its so cheap..,

http://www.forbes.com/sites/briancau...touchpad-dont/

casper27 2011-08-22 15:51

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tobymansell (Post 1074078)
Hi there people.

What would be a better device to have that can do a lot more overall?
Has the iphone now beaten the n900 in it's features?
would a jailbroken iphone be able to do much more than an n900? What makes the n900 so special?
Plus when it says that the jailbroken iphone can run 3rd party software is that only apple made software or windows made software too?

thanks.

Theres only one way to find out!!!!!


http://cdn.caughtoffside.com/wp-cont...ht-AP-WDC5.jpg

Silvarum 2011-08-22 16:19

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Why do people think resistive touchscreen = crappy? N900 screen is far from crappy, even better than some capacitive I've seen. It's pressure sensitive and more accurate than any capacitive screen. Try MyPaint with an iPhone, oh wait, you can't.

Mine N900 works as new, and this community > Nokia support.

Quote:

There is always better and a jailbroken iPhone is a better experience out the 2 and if you want new apps don't bother with n900 unless you know how to cross compile. You'll be dependent on devs on forums like these
It may be legal (in US it is, i think), but it still voids the warranty. You can't update until jailbreak is available for that update or you'll get yourself an iBrick, unless you know how to hack that new firmware. You'll be dependent on people on forums like these :p
How's that any different?

bass800 2011-08-22 17:01

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Silvarum (Post 1074733)
Why do people think resistive touchscreen = crappy? N900 screen is far from crappy, even better than some capacitive I've seen. It's pressure sensitive and more accurate than any capacitive screen. Try MyPaint with an iPhone, oh wait, you can't.

Mine N900 works as new, and this community > Nokia support.


It may be legal (in US it is, i think), but it still voids the warranty. You can't update until jailbreak is available for that update or you'll get yourself an iBrick, unless you know how to hack that new firmware. You'll be dependent on people on forums like these :p
How's that any different?

you're not getting the point... App development. apps make any device, hardware as well, but clearly the hardware is outdated here, which leaves app develop - good gracious, i can install a theme and change my icons on my n900 with out a jailbreak - who cares, you still don't have great apps to run on, nor will you ever get an updated maemo os. no one wants to develop on something that's dead and will never get an update. you can still buy apps without jailbreaking iphone... so you're not dependent on people from these forums... there are real developers creating apps for iphone and android... no crappy cross-compiled apps that never get bug fixes. all i see on this forum is request for apps that all either devices have a million years ago. so do your homework before commenting.

patlak 2011-08-22 17:02

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1074085)
Iphone vs n900...score 0-8

Chuck Norris said it, so you better believe it.

patlak 2011-08-22 17:15

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800 (Post 1074750)
you're not getting the point... App development. apps make any device, hardware as well, but clearly the hardware is outdated here, which leaves app develop - good gracious, i can install a theme and change my icons on my n900 with out a jailbreak - who cares, you still don't have great apps to run on, nor will you ever get an updated maemo os. no one wants to develop on something that's dead and will never get an update. you can still buy apps without jailbreaking iphone... so you're not dependent on people from these forums... there are real developers creating apps for iphone and android... no crappy cross-compiled apps that never get bug fixes. all i see on this forum is request for apps that all either devices have a million years ago. so do your homework before commenting.

What kind of apps is the N900 missing out of the box or developed here? Apps don't make a phone good. They just make it last longer, since with a new app you'll tinker with the phone all the time. I need a phone for calls, texting, email, browsing and some form of boredom braker, (avi playback, games). Good luck with iTunes also.

x61 2011-08-22 17:20

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 1074240)
What is "Windows made software" anyway?

Software made by windows or software mad for windows or both... lol

rm42 2011-08-22 17:28

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Here is the nutshell in my opinion:

http://temporaryland.wordpress.com/2...-just-an-itoy/

:)

bass800 2011-08-22 17:39

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1074761)
What kind of apps is the N900 missing out of the box or developed here? Apps don't make a phone good. They just make it last longer, since with a new app you'll tinker with the phone all the time. I need a phone for calls, texting, email, browsing and some form of boredom braker, (avi playback, games). Good luck with iTunes also.

those are all apps you've mentioned on a os. phone app to make phone calls, sms app to send text message and dont let me start... short term memory lose maybe... umm... no mms app on the n900 at launch... these are all apps. so apps are the main reason for owning a phone or any device aside from the hardware. ie. windows os = avid, osx = final cut / different strokes for different folks. but these are apps. apps are not only games. n900 may have been an ok device with ok hardware with ok apps, but sorry to burst your bubble but its over, just like the 286, 386, 486 and webos.

Luz 2011-08-22 17:53

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
I owned an N900 and now an iPhone 4. I really wanted the N900 to be for me, but in the end it just didn't deliver. I am an end user, not a dev etc. So it depends what you you want out of a phone. Nokia for whatever reason provided little to no support for N900 end users, the so-called app-store shows that. I mean we were supposed to be happy with angry birds and a few other token games, it was laughable the amount of professional devs who supported it. That's because the user base is too small and there is no money to be made. Then things like BBCiplayer not working and the music player being ******ed, emulators running **** slow FPS just put me off investing any more time with the N900. So I sold it and got an iPhone. For me best decision. The iPhone because of its popularity has many apps designed for it which make some web based things that don't work on the browser work very simply. Majority of main streaming sites BBC, ITV, Sky etc have iPhone support. So for an end user iPhone is the only choice...

JamesBond@ge 2011-08-22 21:36

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by x61 (Post 1074765)
Software made by windows or software mad for windows or both... lol

Apple iPhone. vs Nokia N900.

I kinda wondered where "Windows made software" fitted into the whole equation? D'ya see where I'm going with that?

JamesBond@ge 2011-08-22 21:40

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Luz (Post 1074785)
I owned an N900 and now an iPhone 4. I really wanted the N900 to be for me, but in the end it just didn't deliver. I am an end user, not a dev etc. So it depends what you you want out of a phone. Nokia for whatever reason provided little to no support for N900 end users, the so-called app-store shows that. I mean we were supposed to be happy with angry birds and a few other token games, it was laughable the amount of professional devs who supported it. That's because the user base is too small and there is no money to be made. Then things like BBCiplayer not working and the music player being ******ed, emulators running **** slow FPS just put me off investing any more time with the N900. So I sold it and got an iPhone. For me best decision. The iPhone because of its popularity has many apps designed for it which make some web based things that don't work on the browser work very simply. Majority of main streaming sites BBC, ITV, Sky etc have iPhone support. So for an end user iPhone is the only choice...

While I totally agree with you about BBC iPlayer and I more than agree with you abour the shitty emulation......what do you think is wrong with the Music Player?

I think the Music Player is great on the N900.

***edit. I was so disappointed with the crap emulation on the N900, I bought myself a Dingoo A320 just so I could play Gameboy Advance games at full speed. The N900 can't play GBA games for ****.

catbus 2011-08-22 21:59

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
What is iphone?

patlak 2011-08-22 22:02

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800 (Post 1074775)
those are all apps you've mentioned on a os. phone app to make phone calls, sms app to send text message and dont let me start... short term memory lose maybe... umm... no mms app on the n900 at launch... these are all apps. so apps are the main reason for owning a phone or any device aside from the hardware. ie. windows os = avid, osx = final cut / different strokes for different folks. but these are apps. apps are not only games. n900 may have been an ok device with ok hardware with ok apps, but sorry to burst your bubble but its over, just like the 286, 386, 486 and webos.

Jesus, how far has Apple's marketing gone these days? Don't tell me, your brain is screwed up enough to think that My Documents folder in your PC is an app? Everything is an iApp these days.

Please do explain the relation between 286-486, what does such hardware have to do with WebOS?

Another question: WHO THE FVCK USES MMS? You say that 286 is dead and yet you use the ancient MMS over e-mail/bluetooth.

Summary: Why are you on TMO, a forum dedicated to the little penguin and the dead N900?

kingoddball 2011-08-22 22:49

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
You're comparing Apples to oranges.

Stop.

Luz 2011-08-23 10:15

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 1074916)
While I totally agree with you about BBC iPlayer and I more than agree with you abour the shitty emulation......what do you think is wrong with the Music Player?

I think the Music Player is great on the N900.

***edit. I was so disappointed with the crap emulation on the N900, I bought myself a Dingoo A320 just so I could play Gameboy Advance games at full speed. The N900 can't play GBA games for ****.

For me the music player was just a little clunky, compared to an iPod touch I had at the same time, the way you built playlists etc was bizarre!! Also lack of the option to pick a play list using a mouse whilst it's plugged into your pc was a big oversight (IMO) unless of course some clever sod has developed one now !!
I don't hate the N900, it just dissapointed me...
Also very simple apps like run keeper which are free on the iPhone seem to wok much better than the equivalent on the N900, again due to more investment by professional devs...

lopho 2011-08-23 11:01

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
>>nope.avi

tobymansell 2011-08-23 16:31

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JamesBond@ge (Post 1074241)
Yeah, this bit of prejudice against Funkmunk didn't go unnoticed either. Just because he is from Mumbai.


lol.... Ur just p1ssed off cos u live in such a sh1thole area of the uk arent ya???

bass800 2011-08-23 20:11

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1074925)
Jesus, how far has Apple's marketing gone these days? Don't tell me, your brain is screwed up enough to think that My Documents folder in your PC is an app? Everything is an iApp these days.

no, my documents is a folder. no one ever said it was an app, ie. application.

Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1074925)
Please do explain the relation between 286-486, what does such hardware have to do with WebOS?

the relation if you had read properly is that they are all dead technologies... ie. obsolete. ( understand English much?)

Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1074925)
Another question: WHO THE FVCK USES MMS? You say that 286 is dead and yet you use the ancient MMS over e-mail/bluetooth.

People still use MMS... it is not obsolete ie. still supported, people still use it - hence the functionality in all current smartphones and network providers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1074925)
Summary: Why are you on TMO, a forum dedicated to the little penguin and the dead N900?

this isnt a forum dedicated to a penguin and n900 only, its a forum, just like most forums that provide information, whether information to buy a device, continue to use a device, compare, build etc.

come back when you have something valuable to contribute rather than being a troll, ie. troll = knob.

patlak 2011-08-23 20:33

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800 (Post 1075451)
no, my documents is a folder. no one ever said it was an app, ie. application.

When something is mentioned, it's easy for one to correct stance, especially on the interwebz.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800
the relation if you had read properly is that they are all dead technologies... ie. obsolete. ( understand English much?)

Your comparison is still dumb, Hardware from 20 years ago against software which is something that can never die. You are still enjoying Win95, even DOS under Win7, but try running Win7 on a 286. See the difference?



Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800
People still use MMS... it is not obsolete ie. still supported, people still use it - hence the functionality in all current smartphones and network providers.

Lots of people use bluetooth file sharing. Do iPhones, W7P offer that? My father's Android, a Desire, has BT functionality broken, needs 10 tries in order to send a damn .jpeg.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800
this isnt a forum dedicated to a penguin and n900 only, its a forum, just like most forums that provide information, whether information to buy a device, continue to use a device, compare, build etc.

It is a forum but not dedicated to a general political discussion. Your on a web address which reads talk.maemo.org and as far as I recall, Maemo is a penguin. Check also how much space the alternative section takes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800
come back when you have something valuable to contribute rather than being a troll, ie. troll = knob.

Linux forum and trolling against it, calling it dead, etc, not a good way to prove your point.

sak500 2011-08-23 20:40

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
I have both. One bought in Jan 2010 (n900) and one bought in sept 2010 (iphone4). Suffice to say, n900 is treated as a red headed step child. Just use it to play songs in the toilet . Still works good @ 1100/125 setting but with pathetic support from devs (not includ the community) and nokia itself it failed faster than an electric ferrari.

Now everytime i connect to net on it, the first msg pops up from ovi that the service is no longer available and u need to upgrade at the following link. When i go there no mention of n900. Then there is lyrics widget on the desktop which says it needs to be upgraded but nothing there. So FU to nokia will never buy another phone from them. previously owned n80, n96, n70 something and few others which i hv forgotten.

patlak 2011-08-23 20:47

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sak500 (Post 1075467)
I have both. One bought in Jan 2010 (n900) and one bought in sept 2010 (iphone4). Suffice to say, n900 is treated as a red headed step child. Just use it to play songs in the toilet . Still works good @ 1100/125 setting but with pathetic support from devs (not includ the community) and nokia itself it failed faster than an electric ferrari.

Now everytime i connect to net on it, the first msg pops up from ovi that the service is no longer available and u need to upgrade at the following link. When i go there no mention of n900. Then there is lyrics widget on the desktop which says it needs to be upgraded but nothing there. So FU to nokia will never buy another phone from them. previously owned n80, n96, n70 something and few others which i hv forgotten.

Have you ever tried using HAM?

carlon 2011-08-23 21:05

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sak500 (Post 1075467)
I have both. One bought in Jan 2010 (n900) and one bought in sept 2010 (iphone4). Suffice to say, n900 is treated as a red headed step child. Just use it to play songs in the toilet . Still works good @ 1100/125 setting but with pathetic support from devs (not includ the community) and nokia itself it failed faster than an electric ferrari.

Now everytime i connect to net on it, the first msg pops up from ovi that the service is no longer available and u need to upgrade at the following link. When i go there no mention of n900. Then there is lyrics widget on the desktop which says it needs to be upgraded but nothing there. So FU to nokia will never buy another phone from them. previously owned n80, n96, n70 something and few others which i hv forgotten.

I see that you WERE a Nokia fan, but now you aren't, you'll "never buy another phone from them" so dude why are you even still on this forum? isn't an apple forum out there that you can join?

I can understand peoples frustration with the lack of support and general indifference shown towards the n900 by Nokia, I sometimes feel the same way, but that doesn't make the n900 any less of a powerful piece of hardware. It is true that the software needed to make it an all round cellular giant was initially left out by Nokia but that is what the community is trying to remedy.

Lets be real, for those of you who don't have the time or the patience to dedicate to the n900 then maybe it's just not the phone for you, for those you who do then you'll find that there isn't alot that the iphone can do that the n900 can't but loads that the n900 can and the iphone cannot

BigBadGuber! 2011-08-23 21:06

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sak500 (Post 1075467)
I have both. One bought in Jan 2010 (n900) and one bought in sept 2010 (iphone4). Suffice to say, n900 is treated as a red headed step child. Just use it to play songs in the toilet . Still works good @ 1100/125 setting but with pathetic support from devs (not includ the community) and nokia itself it failed faster than an electric ferrari.

Now everytime i connect to net on it, the first msg pops up from ovi that the service is no longer available and u need to upgrade at the following link. When i go there no mention of n900. Then there is lyrics widget on the desktop which says it needs to be upgraded but nothing there. So FU to nokia will never buy another phone from them. previously owned n80, n96, n70 something and few others which i hv forgotten.

N900 sits by my nightstand for IM and web browsing. iphone 4 is my workhorse these days. it just does well what is supposed to do, with little freezing, great VKB and overall the smoothest performance.

don_falcone 2011-08-23 21:13

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800 (Post 1074750)
you're not getting the point... App development. apps make any device, hardware as well, but clearly the hardware is outdated here, which leaves app develop - good gracious, i can install a theme and change my icons on my n900 with out a jailbreak - who cares, you still don't have great apps to run on, nor will you ever get an updated maemo os. no one wants to develop on something that's dead and will never get an update. you can still buy apps without jailbreaking iphone... so you're not dependent on people from these forums... there are real developers creating apps for iphone and android... no crappy cross-compiled apps that never get bug fixes. all i see on this forum is request for apps that all either devices have a million years ago. so do your homework before commenting.

HAHAHA! you mostly have low-quality "appz" that often are merely a website frontend, while we have fully featured programs. And: we even "own" the installer packages for them. :p

patlak 2011-08-23 21:29

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1075487)
HAHAHA! you mostly have low-quality "appz" that often are merely a website frontend, while we have fully featured programs. And: we even "own" the installer packages for them. :p

Missing functionalities are called apps (lack of MMS app on N900 or original iPhone).

Punt on the name change, app vs program. What has Jobs done? :cool:

patlak 2011-08-23 21:33

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by carlon (Post 1075481)
I see that you WERE a Nokia fan, but now you aren't, you'll "never buy another phone from them" so dude why are you even still on this forum? isn't an apple forum out there that you can join?

According to this man right here, this is a NASA forum ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bass800
this isnt a forum dedicated to a penguin and n900 only, its a forum, just like most forums that provide information, whether information to buy a device, continue to use a device, compare, build etc.


Brian_7 2011-08-23 21:40

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sak500 (Post 1075467)

Now everytime i connect to net on it, the first msg pops up from ovi that the service is no longer available and u need to upgrade at the following link. When i go there no mention of n900. Then there is lyrics widget on the desktop which says it needs to be upgraded but nothing there.

Hello. you have this problem because you are using hidden user agent. You should open it and press remove to be able to browse the ovi store.

patlak 2011-08-23 21:40

Re: Iphone VS N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 1075482)
N900 sits by my nightstand for IM and web browsing. iphone 4 is my workhorse these days. it just does well what is supposed to do, with little freezing, great VKB and overall the smoothest performance.

So what are you doing on a N900 development forum if you use it only for IM and browsing?

Pathetic life? Troll much?


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