Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Call me a diehard ITT fan, or avid TMO member; however I truly doubt that I would post over at MeeGo.com

I don't like the vibe there. Not at all.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Ditto. I read--but I don't post. Although, mainly because it doesn't seem like a user-oriented place... it feels strictly white-washed and very, very strictly oriented toward development--stripped of humanity, really. Which is fine, I suppose... just not community-oriented in that way. C'est la vie.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Same here.

Home is where the <3 is.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

+1
And I don't like xda-developers either.
Guess I'll sink with ITT/TMO.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

So, let's form a string quartet and play the "sinking of our titanic"-song ;)

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Fine.. fine...

miles@shockwave:~$ quartet="sinking of our titanic"-song
miles@shockwave:~$ echo $quartet
sinking of our titanic-song
miles@shockwave:~$

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

TMO FTW. Besides, I have a feeling that the N9 won't be all that welcome at the MeeGo party (or should that be 'wake').

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Harmattan is, after all, a Maemo derived mongoloid half-wit TRYING to pass itself off as MeeGo... and failing to do so since it was INTENTIONALLY differentiated by closed-source efforts to make sure it was fully NEITHER. :P We can't really love it because it's all the same mistakes made with Maemo... and MeeGo wants NOTHING to do with the abomination of closed-minded software that Nokia didn't want to share--and we're not even talking just drivers. So yeah--I can agree with you, there.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Out of morbid and bored curiousity, could you elaborate on what you don't like?

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Cannot agree with you more, we got enough knowitall's on here as it is without being drowned by them over on that meego tekhouse boring us all to tears. ;)

TMO is the best forum on the net without even thinking about it... has to be cos you got ME here hahaha. :D :p

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Ever worked at a bar or club? TMO now feels like after the lights have come up, everyone is outside hailing a cab or being sick in the gutter, and there's one or two stragglers scanning for last-ditch opportunities.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

LOL! N9 is needed for Meego community. The forum activity has infact raised since developers got N950 cause with discussions about apps etc...

But yes meego.com is not that fun place. But TMO also sucks imho.

to much repeating...

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Compare the two. Here there's a past of openness, people that helped out people in many, over the top ways. I thought I once had bricked my N810. Had a couple of folks help me behind the scenes, didn't even want my thanks. They were just happy to help.

I've had epic arguments with Textrat, Zerojay and a few others... and in the end, they kept their cool, stayed adult and we've come to respect our differences and likenesses.

I've actually had Reggie contact me directly when I was seriously offended by a racial remark that I didn't agree with one bit. Now that's class.

There? It's clinical... almost verboten (forbidden) to talk about much more than just MeeGo. Have a discussion, it'll get looked at, but not commented. Quim decreed that that place was to be for developers only... and it shows.

The discussions, while easily parsed if you've written one line of code seriously - they're just cold. No warmth. No history. Just a bunch of privileged folks with N950's toiling away to see the fruit of their efforts on the Nokia N9.

That's not a bad thing, but it doesn't hit in the same way as a bunch of folks happy to just have a 770. Or a N800. Or a N810. From the N900 down, the community declined into a group of folks that didn't believe in certain things (N900 didn't sell well, let's see that argument hold a flame against how it's "the most perfect piece of GNU/Linux in your pocket ever released" types of arguments).

Ultimately, that site seems to be more of one mind... all stepping in one direction. Here, the entropy is part of the background noise that makes this place.

I don't do well in clinical, boring places. Reminds me of a padded cell. I'd rather be part of the crazies running the asylum.

It's different. If anything, it's a difference that I can't embrace. And I base that difference on being an ITT member first. Then TMO. I have an account there at MeeGo.com, but I have like 4 posts.

That's 4 too many in my opinion.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Soooo... what? MeeGo lacks a diversity of opinions and types of people, right?

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Exactly. And no community can flourish without diversity IMO.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

It's an ALL-DEVELOPER UTOPIA! ;) YAY! No end-users, no complaints, no criticism, no input.. just development!

Kind of reminds me of the Golgafrinchans:

The planet Golgafrincham creatively solved the problem of middle managemers: it blasted them in to space. Golgafrinchan Telephone Sanitisers, Management Consultants and Marketing executives were persuaded that the planet was under threat from an enormous mutant star goat. The useless third of their population was then packed in Ark spaceships and sent to an insignificant planet.

Of course, the remaining Golgafrinchan population was then wiped out by a virulent disease contracted via unsanitary telephones.

In MeeGo's case, however, it might end up a far less dramatic death-by-consumer and platform-atrophy. If it only sells to developers, because developers are the only ones talking, it's not likely to be manufactured or supported by hardware vendors for very long. Treat customers and end-users like an unwanted "dumb" class, and you too might die off like the Golgafrinchans.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

I would say it's Nokia's view of what Meego.com should be is what lacks diversity.

I'll put it out there... the person they have in charge of "marketing" in the US is about as clear as mud on any of his communications. Being vague and indifferent and/or aloof does not make you mysterious. To a group of rather intelligent people asking rather intelligent questions, you look rather snarky and dismissive.

Or worse.

Regardless, instead of belly aching about what Meego.com is to me, my statements are more about what I'll not be doing there since I'd rather do it here.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

I wish there was a thank button in this thread. Gerbick, I'm at all with you. End-users, amateur coders, technophiles should have a place to meet with developers, linux freaks and corporate guys. In the last 6 years, ITT/TMO has been blissed by such variety and has been both fun and a way to learn something for everybody.
I can't find such a mix in the other forums. Maybe it's been a one-shot, serendipitous combination, catalyzed by the Nokia Internet Tablets, which won't repeat untill another innovative, un-specialized device family will show, putting together different people who do not do that for money.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

LOL

Guess meego.com will remain a friendly place - judging from who'll not be there :p

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

To be honest--maemo'org's flaw was that Nokia's management weren't here to communicate and to read opinions even in the BEST of times.

Eh? I can't read you... what did you say?

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

So lets hunt the guy that owns meego.org down and take his domain to continue our TMO forum! ;)

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

You hold 'em, I'll take his wallet! ;)

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

If he had a soul we could sell it a eBay! :D

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

Drop his pants and open source it!

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

I've always enjoyed the interaction here, and I believe some of the best programs were written by developers here who maintained an active presence in the forums and had active threads going on their projects.

It seems some of the biggest developer complaints are time "wasted" addressing complaints, questions, difficulty reading through threads due "off-topic" posts, that kind of stuff.

If MeeGo tries to keep their forums "on-topic" (development only) they'll be missing out on a lot of valuable input. Some non-developers who could provide excellent input may be turned off by the sterile, "coldness" of the forums.

I think they want to try to keep it MeeGo development only, and rely on the manufacturers to support their own devices. However, I think they really need a place where interested people can congregate and discuss MeeGo in a generic way, discuss programs that run on multiple platforms running MeeGo, etc. It would help to generate interest in MeeGo while there are few (or no) devices running it, instead of splitting interest over multiple websites.

Personally, I'd try a couple different things (if they are even possible).

1) a "developers only" forum, that you have to apply for (or be recommended for) admission.
Regular forums for interested people, so developers can get feedback, and a place where developers can retreat to for more technical discussion

2) a "developer" tag for members.
Make it possible to get notified when a thread has been commented on by another "developer" and an option to only show posts by developers (thread based, maybe even forum based). That would help cut down on "noise".

3) A moderation system to remove developer status from people who abuse the privilege.

Re: Even if I get a N9, I'll not be an active MeeGo.com member
 

http://gerbick.com/images/say_what.png

Perhaps silence from certain folks isn't such a bad thing after all.