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larux 2011-09-27 09:31
Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
"Intel Corp. (INTC) plans to merge its Meego operating system with Limo, which is backed by NEC Corp. (6701), Panasonic Corp. (6752) and Samsung Electronics Co., Financial Times Deutschland reported, without citing anyone.

Meego has been unable to keep pace with Google Inc. (GOOG)’s Android and Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iPhone and may benefit from having partners, the newspaper said in an e-mailed summary of an article to be published tomorrow.

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Nicholas Comfort at ncomfort1@bloomberg.net"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-26/intel-plans-to-merge-meego-system-with-limo-ft-deutschland-says.html?=MNB

Great? Uh..

momcilo 2011-09-27 09:35
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by larux (Post 1097176)
"Intel Corp. (INTC) plans to merge its Meego operating system with Limo, which is backed by NEC Corp. (6701), Panasonic Corp. (6752) and Samsung Electronics Co., Financial Times Deutschland reported, without citing anyone.

Meego has been unable to keep pace with Google Inc. (GOOG)’s Android and Apple Inc. (AAPL)’s iPhone and may benefit from having partners, the newspaper said in an e-mailed summary of an article to be published tomorrow.

To contact the editor responsible for this story: Nicholas Comfort at ncomfort1@bloomberg.net"

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-09-26/intel-plans-to-merge-meego-system-with-limo-ft-deutschland-says.html?=MNB

Great? Uh..
Not at all. That is a bad news. Limo is highly closed.

Besides: is it true?

Daneel 2011-09-27 10:44
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
If its true, its big bowl of steaming crepes.

schubi 2011-09-27 11:00
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Well, if it is true, it certainly follows suit of the path of all OSS-commercial projects. The OSS community is good for the dirty work and once a half baked product is emerging, the industry slowly and quietly makes it their own.

Maemo seemed like an exception until Nokiosoft dropped it.

There are no free lunches and publicly listed companies usually have a hard time justifying contributing to projects that don't guarantee $$$ in return.

momcilo 2011-09-27 11:07
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by schubi (Post 1097234)
Well, if it is true, it certainly follows suit of the path of all OSS-commercial projects. The OSS community is good for the dirty work and once a half baked product is emerging, the industry slowly and quietly makes it their own.

Maemo seemed like an exception until Nokiosoft dropped it.

There are no free lunches and publicly listed companies usually have a hard time justifying contributing to projects that don't guarantee $$$ in return.
On the other side, publicly listed company has made some money on community project.

In either case developer device programs, is extremely cheap way of getting worked done, without hiring anybody.

caa 2011-09-27 20:22
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Just saw that 'beta news' also picked up on the FT Deutschland story.

If it is true, it is yet another twist in the Meego story.

If it does get merged, I would have thought the major advantage to be preserved would be Qt, for both user experience and as a development platform? Perhaps Qt will also be licensed by Limo or similar?

Thanks
:)

Hurrian 2011-09-27 21:27
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
I'm guessing it's fork time, then?

richie 2011-09-27 21:48
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by momcilo (Post 1097179)
Not at all. That is a bad news. Limo is highly closed.

Besides: is it true?
I thought Limo 4 was going to be open, as opposed to earlier Limo efforts. From what I've read Samsung Linux Platform SLP is based on Limo and is meant to be open too, just whether it sees the light of day. So if Meego merges in to Limo, then this is perhaps the best chance for proper Linux handsets again.

Creamy Goodness 2011-09-28 05:36
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Just got this email:
Quote:
Today, the Linux Foundation and LiMo* announced Tizen™, an open-source, standards-based software platform for multiple device categories, including smartphones, tablets, smart TVs, netbooks and in-vehicle infotainment systems.

Tizen builds upon MeeGo* and LiMo and will deliver an application framework built upon HTML5/WAC 2.0 standards to help developers reuse and extend their code across multiple OS's, app stores, and devices.

For members of the Intel AppUpSM developer program, Tizen introduces new opportunities to expand reach into additional markets. The Intel AppUp developer program will support Tizen and provide comprehensive tools and community support to help you create compelling, feature-rich, and differentiated apps. Applications developed on Tizen will be able to be submitted to the Intel AppUp developer program for validation and distribution via Intel AppUpSM center and affiliate app stores.
this link worked, other one didn't
https://www.tizen.org/

(so, yeah, MeeGo is toast)

onethreealpha 2011-09-28 05:41
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
It's a phonetic representation of what they're saying it will be.

It's going to be the next big thing in mobile computing from tablets to handsets to in vehicle systems....

Just teasin'

Stonik 2011-09-28 05:42
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness (Post 1097775)
Just got this email:


this link worked, other one didn't
https://www.tizen.org/

(so, yeah, MeeGo is toast)
And look who's there also... "The Linux Foundation will host the project, where Tizen development will be completely open and led by a technical steering team composed of Intel and Samsung."

Samsung said they are going to make Bada open source, and now Tizen?

Willem Liu 2011-09-28 07:18
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
https://meego.com/

Meego is now officially dead...

Hurrian 2011-09-28 07:35
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
But in the new project, a lot of things will be the same as they were in the MeeGo project. The Tizen project will reside within the Linux Foundation, will be governed by a Technical Steering Group, and will be developed openly with familiar and improved infrastructure. Much like MeeGo, the Tizen project will support multiple device categories, including Tablets, Netbooks, Handsets, Smart TV, and In-Vehicle Infotainment systems.
Apparently, the Linux Foundation will still be hosting this. And instead of Intel + Nokia, it's Intel + Samsung.

And the move to HTML5 does make sense - Apple and Microsoft are pushing them for a single write, single compile, run everywhere app store, while native development is still possible. (Whether this is better or not than Android's Java Dalvik & NDK is yet to be seen.)

...And methinks Qt licensing bumped into this somehow.

Let's see what comes out of it.

ivgalvez 2011-09-28 07:37
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Reinventing the wheel again ...

Delaying again ...

Changing the APIs and frameworks again ...

I only want a Debian/Ubuntu mobile computer. Today the only choice is the N900.

prankster 2011-09-28 07:46
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
It is all good now cuz it will be like nokia + intel = meego and also samsung + intel = tizen ,the only thing to worry about is Qt gonna lag behind the HTML 5 but that is a may be .
As long as Qt remains on top of everything ,meego will not be dead,Qt should be central to Tizen & Without Qt the Tizen OS is really gonna find hard time, and by the time HTML5 does become accepted/popular Tizen may well be a distant memory .

caa 2011-09-28 07:53
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness (Post 1097775)
Just got this email:


this link worked, other one didn't
https://www.tizen.org/

(so, yeah, MeeGo is toast)
Interesting. Neither the Tizen site nor the Linux/Limo foundation press releases seems to mention of Qt, unless I missed it.

I hope they realise that HTML5 on its own is not really a 'development platform'.

thanks
:)

momcilo 2011-09-28 08:22
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by caa (Post 1097859)
Interesting. Neither the Tizen site nor the Linux/Limo foundation press releases seems to mention of Qt, unless I missed it.

I hope they realise that HTML5 on its own is not really a 'development platform'.

thanks
:)
It is a web based platform - new Joo Joo.

bergie 2011-09-28 08:31
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by caa (Post 1097859)
I hope they realise that HTML5 on its own is not really a 'development platform'.
JavaScript and HTML5 are actually not that bad to work with, these days. But shame that this will certainly mean more delays before we see any reasonably open devices.

shanttu 2011-09-28 08:34
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Bye Meego. It was interesting waiting for you

OVK 2011-09-28 08:35
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
What does this mean for MeeGo 1.3 and MeeGo CE? Are these still developed?

marxian 2011-09-28 08:41
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
I'll tip my hat to the new constitution
Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around me
Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday
Then I'll get on my knees and prey
We don't get fooled again

Meet the new FOSS
Same as the old FOSS

momcilo 2011-09-28 08:45
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
I would not be too surprised to see QT dumped from tizen.

The shift to HTML5 signalizes cloud (nice name for rent-a-software/service) approach. I think there is no place for QT there.

EDIT: corrected spelling in my 666th post.

Frappacino 2011-09-28 09:04
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
lolers

remember how when meego was announced ppl were laughing about "noooooogo" ?

seems they were right...

no wonder we are the laughing stock of the mobile word - non stop change in direction wasting everyones time and effort in learning deving in qt to switch tracks

what a ****ing joke - its like a circle jerk with no one minding the bottom line

ivgalvez 2011-09-28 09:32
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
We only need open boot loaders (some phones have it, others can be rooted) and better Linux distro support for ARM. Then you could buy the phone you want and install Ubuntu (or whatever) on it.

I think that's the way to go.

Estel 2011-09-28 09:57
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
I would agree, except that IMO we need to go Open Pandora way, and design device "from scratch". Recent fail of Cordia project seems to prove that.

Designing hardware isn't easy, but is very rewarding. Anyway, if we want something done right, we need to do it ourself.

sarahn 2011-09-28 13:59
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1097963)
I would agree, except that IMO we need to go Open Pandora way, and design device "from scratch". Recent fail of Cordia project seems to prove that.

Designing hardware isn't easy, but is very rewarding. Anyway, if we want something done right, we need to do it ourself.
If you want to make another try for an open source phone (see OpenMoko,) I might start by creating a case that has a usb based cell/data module and antenna built in. Have this combined case and module certified. Develop everything else as a separate non-cellular device that has this case as an "accessory." Upgrade components in the non-cellular device as needed.

Not sure if this would fly, but I think this approach is the best bet to not falling too behind on the component curve.

Kickstarter might be a way to raise enough money, but I've never used it.

Nyrath 2011-09-28 14:20
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
from
http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/it...Mo_to_form.php

Quote:
What role for Qt?

The future of Qt in relation to Tizen is uncertain. It was not mentioned in any of today’s press releases. The Tizen website does make reference to a native development, but does not provide any further details. Instead HTML 5 is promoted as the development environment of choice and in an elastic piece of thinking is given as the reason for the need to evolve MeeGo.

However, Qt is a key component in many MeeGo related projects (e.g. part of the reference design for the GENIVI alliance for IVI devices) and, as noted above, Intel have indicated that there will be backwards compatibility with existing MeeGo netbook applications.

It seems likely that politics has a role to play here. Qt came into the MeeGo project from Nokia. Despite recent moves towards open governance, is still very much associated with Nokia. Intel were unhappy that Nokia switched to Windows Phone and the member of LiMo (including Samsung) may prefer to avoid mentioning or relying on what is perceived to be a competitor's asset.

In our opinion the likely scenario is that Qt will continue to play a major role in Tizen projects, but it will not be promoted as part of the core primary developer environment. Qt may be included as part of the default offering or it may be left to integrators to provide a version of Tizen with Qt. A possible example of how this might work in practise comes from Nomovok, who today released a press statement indicating that they would provide a version of Tizen integrated with Qt as part of their Steelrat system.

don_falcone 2011-09-28 14:41
Re: Intel Plans to Merge Meego System With Limo, FT Deutschland Says
 
LOL. "mostly" HTML5 besides a small percentage of apps. Hello... webOS...? Good night, good fight Meego. Seriously, i'm tired of this ******** every few months. This isn't much different than Nokia in changing directions. They can stay with their ecosystem ******** for now.


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