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Well, it looks like Intel has abandoned it too. Although they do plan for a Linux replacement, which is not bad. Some sort of WebOS thing.

http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/applicat...izen-40094045/

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http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=77986

Please use search next time.

Thanks.

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i looked before posting, but didn't find anything (I didn't think of searching for Tizen). Anyway, that thread you linked to had no information or links in the first post, except for commenting about how stupid name it is.

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It never had a chance after Nokia abandoned it.

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The second post, followed by 7 more pages should make it pretty obvious. Unless you were viewing the page on a tamagotchi, there is no reason the second post would not be visible.

Not replying here again as it's just bumping the thread. Requesting a merge/deletion from the mods.

Thanks.

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Why not? Intel is quite big, and it does have the muscle to impose a Linux based OS at least on netbooks and tablets.
About the HMTL 5 thing, I am not really happy with how things are going. It seems that both Windows and Linux are going this way, which is extremely stupid. An HTML5 application is orders of magnitude slower than a well written C application.

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Samsung, too, in the Tizen camp... let's not forget. As for slower--that's less a fault of HTML5 and more a fault of the HTML5 engines/virtual machines, wouldn't you agree?

http://www.netbooknews.com/wp-conten...ad-195x129.jpg

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bye bye meego ;(

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Well, HTML5 is a technology. It has some purposes, of course, such as... WEB. Like a Flash replacement.
But for desktop, it's like trying to hammer nails with a microscope (instead of a hammer). I can't understand what the use for that is.

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To build really, really efficient and really tiny furniture for very tiny microorganisms.

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It even fails as a Flash replacement. HTML5 video gracefully fails to Flash. It doesn't do queries to build navigation. Sites that have moved to HTML5 + Audio are exposing their files due to lack of security - Pandora HTML5 version exposes the *.m4a files for easy download.

Not all browsers support Canvas - blame the software engineers for that and it's not exactly fully supported in all areas quite yet. I deploy Flash, it'll work everywhere.

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Well in my own opinion

Adobe flash = years of existence

HTML5 = newly born


Give the engine a chance... It hasn't been exposed enough as of yet compared to flash and it's not also abandoned.

Flash also has flaws I could almost 90% videos in the net using IDM lol :D

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I have been telling everyone long enough now about meego being useless and everyone calls me stupid because of my opinions.

You die hards all dreaming of FOSS have to see something dead and buried before you believe????.

Maemo is dead and now meego is dead so just what are you all going to go too next i wonder. :rolleyes:

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Flash didn't start out with a scripting language. In fact, Flash wasn't supposed to do more than vectors until quite a bit later. It would do bitmaps, but they would bloat your *.swf to some ungodly size back when folks only had dialup.

PHP communication and inquiries, as well as embedded SQLite and AIR and ActionScript 3 and H.264 or cachedBitmap and StageVideo and Stage3D came much later... and I'm just getting started.

Flash in the very beginning was very basic. The stuff I do now with it or Adobe Flex, I didn't think I could have done just 4 years ago.

The growth of HTML5 is needed in so many key areas that already exist in many other programming languages. Security and ability to dole out media in a more secure way without having to handcuff itself to restrictive DRM or any other RIAA tactic that will invariably limit how it grows from those with very little technical know-how is going to be the next hurdle.

But as it stands, until I can build a dynamic interface with it that works not only in Chrome and Safari but also IE7/8/9 and Firefox and have it secure my data and assets, HTML5 is still on my list of abilities, but it's not fit for everything.

Having JavaScript do all of the animation(s) and not do it via Canvas != HTML5 either. Most of the best HTML5 demos are even better jQuery demos honestly.

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Given that Adobe only recently managed to deliver Flash on x64 platforms (I will NOT call the "Square" lab test version a release) with v11, and this is what basically held x64 browser builds especially on Windows back all those years, it should die nevertheless. On Linux you had at least some basic alternatives, but on Windows you were phucked big time by Adobe.

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@Radu, Thanks for starting a thread with a title that actually alerted me to what was happening!

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The migration (or "Trail of Tears") from Maemo to Meego to Tizen reminds me of the Roman governer out in the provinces who boasted, "Whenever Rome demands action, I just start a general reorganization and never have to do anything."

Personally, I recently got a Chinese watch phone, and am having fun with it. And I'm going to buy at least one of the new Kindles. Some days I almost forget to use my N900. I would have been tempted by the N9 if it was available at a reasonable price. Too bad Nokia doesn't have the Amazon instinct, we'd have widespread availablity of a MeeGo phone at a slashed price!

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who cares about meego. get an iphone. it works

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Now I truly assume that you and eTroll_uke are the same person. Shizo. Didn't you want to have an N9 shipped to the US in the "other" thread?

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Of course I do. N9 is what an iphone should have been

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You seriously should have seen the **** storm it was on OS X. Windows users were luckier than OS X users.

But then again, that's what prompted Steve Jobs to action...

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i've been developing using flash for about 5 years now, initially just doing simple timeline based stuff, then getting deriously into it the past couple of years initially using papervision to handle 3D stuff, and then recently migrating over to away3D to take advantage of stage3D/molehill.. The anti flash backlash, which i mainly blame Apple for is ridiculous, buuut, i think once say the demo for Halo 5 or whatever comes out, and you can play level in a browser window, people on iPads, and with explorer are going to say 'hey, why can't I just go there and play that?'

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yeah, you can only do useless flashing ads with html5...


http://www.chromeexperiments.com/detail/julia-map/

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Don't worry, Meltemi (linux based) will come to low-end phones! Maemo/meego will be reused there!

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Yep. Qt next billion, 1 GHz touchscreen only devices, disruptive technology and Swipe. And they already have it all, so it's just a question of timing and rebranding. It might be possible, that we are actually seeing a Linux based Nokia OS outselling Windows Phones 10 to 1 in the future.

Edit: Meltemi is in today's headlines in Finland. Source (in Finnish): http://www.arvopaperi.fi/uutisarkist...reihin/a694515

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Google Translation into English (well, sort of :) ):

Interesting that "meltemi" is yet another wind, like all the Maemo names (Chinook, Diablo, Harmattan, etc.)

(Of course, it figures that Nokia would select a Greek wind at this time. I guess their other choices were Irish and Portuguese winds. ;))

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Ugh.. what a terrible name. This one conjures up the image of a CPU crying out as it melts. Can't they choose a decent name, for once?

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This is EXACTLY my point. Fractint did that 10 times faster on a 386.

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It's just their internal project name, isn't it?

Perhaps it conjures up powerful images of *****storms for finns.
I'm all for that.

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now you should search a mobile application that has only similar functions (iteration calculation + drawing results).

e: and naturally calculations are really intense.

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I don't think I understand this. A mobile application for Meego/Maemo or even Android running native code can do this probably thousands of time faster.

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so technically, what is the reasoning behind html5? I read that page "whats next for meego", but I dont get it. Isn't html5 going to be a set of dlls? Or is something really changing in the linux kernel for html5 lol ... Isnt Qt just a set of dlls/libraries (sorry i'm a windows dev so i keep refering to them as dlls)? If we delete those libs, qt will stop working from n900/n9 right? Assuming that the current worldwide trend was html5 and we had it all running on n900/n9(50), and there was this new trend of Qt (assume apple liked it a lot), would we just throw away the whole friggin distro to make a new distro to make it qt compatible?

It just seems like some totally marketing decision which the higher technical people are now trying to justify, willingly or unwillingly. Poor souls.

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What's next? For MeeGo? Are you kidding?
http://oi55.tinypic.com/51vz1y.jpg

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HTML5 doesn't use a virtual machine.

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Native code is faster. The issue though is to create cross-platform applications. For that you need an agreed upon standard. It appears that HTML5 is now that standard.

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HTML5 is meant to be backwards compatible with older versions of HTML. It has been around for a very long time.

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Well... According to the W3C, HTML5 is still at "Working draft" stage (their lowest maturity level). Anyone attempting to build a platform on top of that does so at their own risk ;-)

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HTML4 was never final. The only issue I can foresee is that people are overlooking the biggest question: What's the future of Maemo?

MeeGo is now Tizen. Maemo existed before MeeGo. It even exists on top of MeeGo basically - dumbing it way down, I know. But that's my question at least.

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4.0 has been a W3C "Recommendation" (their 5th and last maturity level) since 1997!

I suspect it will be completely unrelated to anything Intel and the LF cook up.

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When they say that HTML 4.01 Spec is "recommended" and not "final recommendation", I tend to state/believe that it is not final.

Doesn't mean I'm right, but HTML 4.01 has standing revisions after 1997.