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It is kind of tragic that these devices were meant to be Meego devices, but at least they are coming, if the rumours are true of course.
I initially planned to buy the N9, but with WP7 getting better each day, and with such appealing hw specs i decided to wait.
My still well-working N900 allows me to.

2012 may indeed be ace from a tech standpoint.

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Who says Ace was meant to be MeeGo device?
I don't even think Ace is real.

All the other names have actually leaked from some reputable source, why hasn't this been on those same lists? This is just some spec put together by Nokia/WP fan and sent to My Nokia Blog.

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Possibly, but regardless there is no doubt that there will be some top devices coming out. Which is why i consider moving from an ideological approach to a more pragmatic one. I still need more infos about WP7's shortcomings.

Even if this device is just virtual, it has actual consequences on my decision to possibly scrap the N9 and wait.
And that's what counts, no? ;)

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WP7 (Mango) does not even support dual core. See ms required specs.

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LTE is another thing it doesn't support yet it is claimed to be on the spec sheet.

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Actually what makes the guy who leaked this look a bit more shaky is that:

http://nokiagadgets.com/2011/10/01/a...ed-cbd-1-4ghz/

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In any case it's bit pointless to speculate about Nokia's WP7 phone specs. Unless one wants to speculate about exact megapixel count there is no point. Everything else will be set by Microsoft for all manufacturers.



"Mango opens the door to a little more differentiation, but not much. Second generation phones will all use Qualcomm Snapdragon 8x55 or 7x30 processors, compared to the first generation's 8x50 ("x" is either a 2, for GSM models, or a 6, for CDMA ones). 8x55 and 7x30 both have lower power consumption and stronger GPUs than 8x50 (Adreno 205 instead of 200); they also include hardware-accelerated video transcoding, which Mango will leverage if available. The 8x55s offer potentially higher clock speeds of up to 1.5GHz compared to 8x50's 1GHz, while the 7x30s are a little slower at 800MHz. The minimum RAM requirement has been raised from 256MiB to 384. And the minimum flash storage has been reduced from 8GiB to 4.

All new phones must include a camera (minimum 5 megapixels) and an accelerometer, light sensor, proximity sensor, and GPS. The second generation specification adds support for an optional front-facing camera (minimum VGA resolution), gyroscope, and magnetometer/compass (with the restriction that all phones with a gyroscope also include the compass, but phones may include the compass without the gyro)."

Arstechnica

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you'll be in an even worse position then with the N900...
@ least with Maemo, it is possible for the community to tinker the software
with m$, you are a sitting duck, waiting to be capsized by Redmond :rolleyes:
plus after NOKIA leaves the platform behind (it won't sell, no more with a NOKIA logo then with any other); m$ already admitted the failure.

why won't NOKIA devices w/ m$ sell?
simply because what made NOKIA's quality was its functionality. w/ LostDOS paralysed, that is gone, thus NOKIAs will be just like any other wp device, staying on the shelves...

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Finally some windows phones. Will be nice to se what they come up with. Who cares about the specs? It's the user experience.

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We've been sitting ducks as well, there are just too many closed bits within fremantle. The propagated freedom has always been an illusion, Morpheus. Ask qwerty.

With Mango, M$ already proved that they are listening to its users. If that's not enough, there is always XDA. When did Nokia as an OS Provider ever listen to us?

Granted, Nokia did many things right in the first place, so listening to the userbase would have created warm feelings, but was not really top priority.

There is no need to mourn the death of the "truely open phone"-paradigm, because it just never existed.

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it's not about listening; they are hardly selling anything, so they better listen alright.
more desperate then anything else :rolleyes:

it's about the fact that i can manage my device & install & remove whatever i want whenever i want.
and it works :p
m@ke$$h!t' $h!t simply doesn't work
period.

ppl are tired of having that kind of crap on their computers, they are not going to fall for it any more, certainly not if they have (better) free alternatives. well, one, @ least...
thus the patent war, buying of Motorola mobile et cetera et cetera et cetera...

PLUS: when is the last time you paid for an app you installed on your N900?

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No need to wait. Go and test WP7 phone in a shop or read Mango reviews, like this one from Arstechnica. http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/rev...o-reviewed.ars.

Imagine Nokia logo to one of those pictures and you have the first Nokia WP7 phone. Specs will be identical or nearly identical and user experience exactly the same.

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Yes that is exactly my opinion regarding Open Office / Libre Office... :)

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why isn't m@ke$$h!t offering m$-off on Linux/GNU, if it is that good?
not even on Mac any more, if memory serves well
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I'm sure we don't have any windows lovers here :)

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Your memory has failed you. Microsoft Office is on Mac as well. It's IE and Windows Media Player that's no longer offered on the Mac.

And next time, please spell the damn things out. I absolutely hate reading those kinds of posts and having to decipher what the hell people mean. M$ - is this slashdot now!?

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how much is the fruit company (... you know who i'm talking about, right?) paying for the port?
and still, the user has to pay on top of that ¦-)))))))

200% sure, it's not, repeat not, available on Linux/GNU...
how comes?

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Apple doesn't pay anything for the port. Microsoft has profitable Mac Business Unit. Btw, it's actually easier and takes less keystrokes to write Apple than to write fruit company.

Maybe because Linux on desktop has <1% marketshare and it's pretty much non-existent in office work space?

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Microsoft, stock symbol MSFT, has a BU, a business unit set aside only for Mac products and development. Apple, stock symbol AAPL, does not pay for Microsoft Office; the application suite you erroneously assumed was no longer around previously.

And yes, like most software on OS X and Windows, you do have to pay for it. Here you go.

No **** Sherlock. It's not there for a good reason - lemme give you a hint: People wouldn't pay for it. OpenOffice, KOffice, many other alternatives that people use (I use NeoOffice/J on OS X) and use well exist there on GNU/Linux. Those (usually) educated users are using better, freer options that fit into the business daily operations without sacrificing usability nor ability to anything Microsoft could produce. Smarter for that type of user, even smarter for Microsoft to take notice.

Hint over. Toodles.

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Former MCSE/MCDBA - can't say I'm a Windows lover, but I'm a frequent Windows user and hell... they paid the bills for over a decade.

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why? they have more professional apps. I mean on Pc.:)

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Either that, or just buy an HD2 and get it over with for another couple of years :cool:

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well, then, tell me mr. Certified...
how comes more & more computers come w/ m$-off pre-installed, albeit in a limited version?
so the 99% stat remains true?
(99% of computers are delivered w/ the crap, thus it runs on 99% of the computers....)
or because in the broadband age, ppl don't mind a download of 15 or even 30 min to get a free working version, instead of having to pay for it; even so, most ppl probably download a full free office suite anyway, simply, thks to the sales stat....

btw, 1%, that's about wp7's market share, according to Gartner's most recent market study (world wide, Q2 only)
came across a UK stat for Aug, with the same number...
sure, not selling the N9 may increase that number, by, what... 0.000001%?

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Formerly certified. Only thing I'm certified now would be insanity. Especially since I'm still answering you.

Because Microsoft still reigns supreme in regards to user share. What do you expect to be installed? I'm not sure what you're leading to with your framed question; so let's just say this.

Microsoft Office is a certifiable bread winner for Microsoft. Cannot get any plainer and simpler than that.

I have no clue what in the **** you are talking about.

7% in Germany... somehow. But yeah. Again, what's your point? State it clearly, state it concisely.

Oh, and for the records... Microsoft Office does not equate to Nokia N9 no matter how twisted you somehow confuse the two.

One does not lead to the other. And Microsoft Office does not lead to WP7 sales either - Microsoft Office licenses went up actually. Can't say the same for WP7. Not at all.

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or my trying to make a mule drink...
tell me, great accountant...
how difficult is it to be profitable (Mac Unit) if the only thing you have to do is cash in the fees?
but, yeah, i guess, m@ke$$h!t might even screw up that :D

obviously, with wp7, it's not that easy...
here the Gartner stats (scroll down some to see the platform table...)

btw, as you are throwing stats around...
in Germany Firefox has over 40% of market share
hihaaaaan comes 2nd @ 34%
that's a reliable stat, because the browser can be identified...
in fact user are more likely to identified (wrongly) their browser as IE (having a Gecko based one) then the other way around... thus the truth is probably even worse (for m$)

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You make no sense. Address me while more coherent please. Deciphering a fool's intent is not on my list of things to accomplish. Not now, not ever.

Find another company with a Mac Business Unit and then ask that question. As it stands, you're asking more questions than answering. That's not a discussion, that's an interrogation.

I'm not Microsoft. I'm not Apple. I'm just a shareholder in both. Why don't you become one and then ask those questions? They'd answer you.

Who? These are getting more undecipherable by the moment.

Your segue from Microsoft Office to Firefox in Germany to share is mind numbingly impossible to follow. Therefore I will not.

Be clear, be concise, be coherent. Until then, I choose not to respond to babbling and meandering conversation that I cannot make heads nor tails.

Simply put... I have no ****ing clue what you're spouting forth lad.

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you can run, but you can't hide...

7.1 % market share in Germany, is it?
GREAT!
just, tiny little problem.... :p
the morron who did those stats is by his own confession a m$ fan and cared to add the wm market shares (for 7 large markets, including US & UK)
jul 2010 (or something like that; heading not clear...):
wm: 11.1% + wp: 0.0% = 11.1%
jul 2011 (...):
wm: 1.1% + wp: 7.1% = .... 8.2%

no comment ¦-)

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I actually like Win 7 x64, if you can handle the usual quirks.

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"English.... Do you speak it?" - Jules Winnfield

I guess the addition of the qualifier "...somehow" earlier did not explicitly denote my lack of faith in that number. I go to Germany a lot... I've seen perhaps one person with a WP7 phone while there.

So 7.1%, I didn't believe it any time it was stated. I still do not. That's higher penetration in the US... and the Germans are a harder bunch to get into than us fickle Americans.

So... with that said for the very last annoying time, I will address you. I don't believe it, didn't believe it, won't believe it. Stats are easily made up. That one, I found truly doubtful.

Anyway, I'm sure you'll respond with some drivel about something else, blah blah blah. Bring something adult and worthy of my attention next time you post, savvy?

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nothing better when gerbick fights a pretender to the throne.

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7.1 % market share in Germany
don't know about you, but in my books this still is english...
did you actually click on the link?

why did you post it then?
this being said, the US & UK stats seem to be in line with figures from other sources, thus why wouldn't the German ones be?
a possible reason why m$ has a bigger market share there may be because companies chose to integrate there phones w/ the remaining IT infrastructure; in the States, BB was the preferred choice 'til recently whereas in European countries, BB hadn't such an important role (except maybe in the UK).

trying to make sense of what you post, sorry :eek:
however can't help feeling you are digging yourself further in with every post :D

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Correction: I didn't post it first. Let's start there kiddo.

Digging myself in further? You're the one displaying tick-like behavior.

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"Son! Stop channeling abill_uk! I've told you before: playing with mummy's ouija board is bad!"

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no mention of Germany prior to that on this thread, sorry... :(

listen son, i don't care about this site any more;
a few weeks ago, someone started a thread "worst experience w/ the N900" or something along that line...
after a couple days, i thought... TMO! :eek:
thanksfully, it isn't required in any way to use the N900, thus...

i still own & use a N900, so i drop along from time to time, but honestly? not worth the time.
even though new developments (sometimes not even available in extras-devel) occasionally pop-up here, hell, if they are good they'll eventually make it to one of the repos, right?

wanna be the king of TMO?
be my guest :rolleyes:
i'll stick to posting evidence :cool:
don't post anything obviously incorrect, i won't bother :D
okay-doke? :p

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It was mentioned elsewhere in this forum. Try again.

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guess that might be a reason why wp barely can keep wm users interested...

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This is exactly what i like Microsoft for.. :)

Screw all the shiny lifestyle phantasms - It's all about machines and tools in order to get some work done.

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well, then i guess only a cranny 1 % of the population works...
:rolleyes:

EDIT: except in Germany, where a whopping 7 % of the population works :D :cool: