Tabbed browsing: Needs your votes!
 

Bug #1695 has been opened to request tabbed browsing in the Mozilla browser, however it appears Nokia management decided against the inclusion of tabs in the current beta release.

Vote now to change their mind and have tabbed browsing added to a future (hopefully the next!) release!! :)

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It's not really a Mozilla feature, and more one of the browser UI framework (see the architecture diagram on http://browser.garage.maemo.org/).

However, it'd still be a really useful feature. :-)

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I wouldn't mind tabs. Can't see why that would create an Hildon problems, for example - it's still only one display at the time.

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if terminal can have tabs....

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I think the screen is too small for tabs. What's wrong with pressing the "home" key to switch between windows, which is essentially the same functionality as tabs.

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I'd vote for tabs. Yeah you can press the home key, but that's not always the best option. Tabs is much better.

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I have never understood the tabs thing and I think in the Nokia it makes little sense.

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I voted...17 now for this one

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I think the key lies in whether you use the hardware keys or stylus to browse. If you use the hardware keys tabs make little sense, but I use a stylus 9 times out of ten and so therefore its just more convenient to use tabs to switch windows. Minimo has shown that it doesn't negatively affect screen real estate.

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Note that the bug has now been reopened: part of the original closure was due to it being misplaced in the Mozilla category.

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I would argue the opposite. I don't use tabs much on the desktop, except for special cases (as when I read ITT and pick all the 'new posts' pages at once and line them up in one tab each). I have a 1920x1200 pix screen and I simply open lots of (possibly overlapping) windows. I did that with the old 1280x1024 screen too. But on a Hildon device there's only a single window at the time, and tabs make sense on such displays IMO.

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I agree with arman. No vote from me. We are already losing enough space with the normal furniture we have if we're not in full screen mode. Tabs will only make the effective screenspace even smaller.
I prefer pressing the Home key.

Ton.

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Tabs take too more space on the screen. OK only if it can be remove from the preferences.

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It should satisfy all if the tab selection bar is only visible if you actually open new windows as tabs.

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I'm on the side of no tabs in non-full screen mode as the space taken would be too much, particularly as there's the option to switch using the left-side "task manager" pane.

In full screen mode it's a different story because there's no visible way to select a different screen. The problem there is taking up a lot of scarce vertical space. Perhaps if there were a thin left-hand border which when tapped scrolled out to show the names of the pages to allow selection, then disappeared again.

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No tabs. We pretty much already have tabs functionality as others have said before. Why waste more screen space for something we already have?

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It doesn't _have_ to waste space. Open in new tab should be an option like Open in new window is today. And cycling through windows with the home button is not the same as being able to hop between specific tabs, unless you have only 2 open.

Edit: The only reason I would be against it is if it turned out to bloat the executable too much, w.r.t. size or speed.

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Why vote against it? Have you guys actually used tab-systems before? There isn't any extra space taken up if you're not using it, as the tab bar is completely hidden when you're not using it.

Wow, I know, that blew my mind, too.

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I've been using tabbed browsing for over 10 years already.. I think all the way back to Opera 2.0 or 3.0, so I'm well aware of that. There's just no point in having it because we already have the same functionality. I'd much rather they spend time adding useful features or fixing bugs in current features than essentially duplicating what we already have.

Not to mention that this will end up confusing the end user when they see that almost every other program's windows all show up in the taskbar except the web browser, where they have to switch to the web browser and THEN again switch tabs in another part of the screen to get to what they want. This goes against the standard UI and expectations of end users on Maemo.

Just doesn't make any sense.

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Well, the point is we _don't_ already have the same functionality, isn't it? And why on earth users should be confused by something they're totally familiar with from the desktop is beyond my understanding.

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It's the same functionality, just that instead of it being in a small icon on the bottom left of the screen, you're wasting a ton of space constantly displaying it across the top.

They can be confused by it because the N800 isn't a desktop and no other program that runs on the N800 works that way. Therefore it goes against user expectations. I thought we wanted a more consistant UI, not a more fragmented one.

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My heartburn with the current multiwindow mode is that I have accidentally closed the wrong browser window many, many times... and through no direct fault of my own. It seems to be a lag problem, where I change to the window I want to close, close it, then watch in dismay as a window I wanted to keep is closed instead. I am so used to tabs now (and in fact use them heavily in my own programming to conserve real estate) that it's much, much easier for me to manage multiple web sessions with them.

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I've used the tabs feature in Minimo on the 770 and found it just as useful as on a desktop, especially in full-screen mode (and on the 770 the home button's behaviour is reversed). I'll vote yes.

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I voted for it initially, but have now removed that vote. the functionality I really want is to open windows in the background, and tabs plus middle-click is the way I do that on the desktop. the list of current windows in full-screen mode is available by pressing the 'home' button, or navigating into the 'windows' menu starting from the 'menu' button.

I agree that it is better to save the screen real estate when multiple windows are open.

rob.

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This bugged me too until I found that pressing the home key listed the windows with an x next to them to close the window. That is the main way I close windows now when having multiples open while browsing.

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Say whatever you want about duplicating functionality against the multi-window setup, but I don't see it--the window setup just doesn't work well. It not only takes more taps to get to the window list (tap/click, find the window you're looking for, tap, wait . . . not what I would call fast or convenient) but it takes time and unnecessary effort to locate your window. With tabs, you're always able to quickly locate, and switch to, the page you want. Tabs make it a helluva lot easy to que up pages to read, especially with forums and news sites.

Really, how much time is it actually going to take to code the UI changes to get tabs? You may be a sucker for punishment, but I like my browsing experience to something I enjoy. :rolleyes:

Aside: think we could get a "Posted from N800" option? :P

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I have to say that I feel quite the opposite way on this. You already know where your other windows are.. all grouped under the same icon.

Something we can agree on. ;)

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I like tabs just fine, but having them is very low priority for me considering the early beta state of the browser. I'd rather the developers focus on other things for now and revisit the tab issue way down the line.

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Wouldn't it be cool if users had the choice of more than one type of view mode, including tabs?

:D

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Hmmmm... nah! ;)

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Ok, if you say so.

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I voted for 'tabbed browsing' because....

1) Personal preference:
I like browsing my bloglines' subscriptions, internettablettalk forum, etc. clicking on relevant links to open in the background in tabs. On the desktop I use firefox and maxthon and on my n800, Minimo.

2) It does not force users, who do not wish tabbed browsing, to use tabs, as the following options could be set under preferences:
-open links in windows
-open links in tabs
Additionally
-open new tabs/windows in background
-open new tabs/windows in foreground

3) It would add stability to the browser:
Although the browser on my n800, of course. never crashes, it could one day do so theoretically :)
In that case our browser will be able to remember all of its children=tabs and offer to restore them the next time we open the browser. as happens now in firefox and maxthon. I believe that to be a very important feature.

4) It might not take too many resources/delay other enhancements as the code more or less exists already thanks to the legendary "tonikitoo / Antonio Gomes'' coder of our Minimo browser also being a member of the development: team :)

I therefore believe that voting for 'tabbed browsing' Bug #1695 is a win-win situation.

@'tonikitoo / Antonio Gomes'
if you do read this thread, any chance of releasing as a beta or alternative an extension enabling the tabbed browsing functionality, please?

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I 'voted' for it as well over there.

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Implementing tabs does not increase stability by itself. It just means that the devs are saving the tab states each and every time they change. There's nothing that is keeping them from implementing that already with the window method but it hasn't been done yet which tells me that they don't find it important. I wouldn't be surprised if tabs are implemented but that they would be lost upon crashing.

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Sure would still be nice if there were user-selectable window modes.

:D

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You have my vote, Milhouse.

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I say yes to tabs as well. Once you really get into the device for some serious browsing, it is tough not being able to keep a few tabs open.

They don't have to be huge (in vertical pixel height). Can be optional of course!

Could be a slide-in/out tab bar at the top ;)
There when you need it, to switch between them.

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You know what would be neat for the tabs? This guy did an iPhone style keyboard, which was recently posted here. You could just scroll over the letters and they popped up, and it didn't activate until you let go.

I think it would be great to have the tabs just be icons for the site your visiting, and when you tap you can scroll over all of them and the name will pop up as you go over them. When you let go, that tab activates.

Just my .03 cents.

I really need to get into programming this thing.

Eth

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I have to tell you, as much as I love tabs on the desktop, my limited experience with them in a mobile setting (Minimo on N800, Universe on Palm TX) has completely turned me off. The conventional tab bar takes up too much screen real estate unless you make it too small to touch with your finger (down with styluses!). You could do some UI innovation; I like the idea of touching an icon and having the tab list slide out, but I have to point out that idea is functionally no different than what Opera already does when you open multiple windows; touching the Opera icon on the taskbar (or pulling up the running task list with the home button) pulls up a list of all the open windows.

Having said all that, I suppose if tabs don't cause any extra pain or get in the way UI-wise, it's OK to have them available. But I honestly don't think I'll be using them.m.m.

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But of course! User-selectable options are always good.

:D