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lanwellon 2011-10-17 04:58

UX continuity were droped since Harmattan (N9/N950) !
 
I found that on N9/N950,

there is no more widgets on home screen anymore,

it is just a backslide comparing to N900.

Because N900 use resistance touch screen, it is more precise than capacitive touch screens.

That means MeeGo had to use a new UI/UE design.

And finally, Nokia use the Peter Skillman style (very like WebOS),

The new style is just a bit like iPhone.

And no widgets any more. Even Android has widgets.

So, when you move from N900 to N9/N950,

can you feel a bit uncomfortable ?

Please share your thoughts.

Arrancamos 2011-10-17 06:01

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
The continuity of N900 and Maemo 5 were droped!
That was a really stupid decision from Nokia.

The path should be branched for Harmattan/Meego 1.3 and Maemo 5; they should continue with Maemo 6 and a evolved device with HW-Kb.

I don't feel comfortable with N9 and Meego, WTH, worst with other brands and models.. all of them lacks something!

Nokia what r u doing to me!! :)
Please consider the 2nd paragraph.

kingoddball 2011-10-17 06:23

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
That sucks.. Then again after using android for awhile I stopped using the widgets except task killer.

The only widgets I ever used was in Maemo. Androids were sh!!!t.. Osx widgets are cool.

lanwellon 2011-10-17 06:31

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kingoddball (Post 1109778)
That sucks.. Then again after using android for awhile I stopped using the widgets except task killer.

The only widgets I ever used was in Maemo. Androids were sh!!!t.. Osx widgets are cool.

But, buddy, you should know that Android is the only smartphone OS that has widget and keep updating now on this planet ...

lanwellon 2011-10-17 06:37

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrancamos (Post 1109772)
The continuity of N900 and Maemo 5 were droped!
That was a really stupid decision from Nokia.

The path should be branched for Harmattan/Meego 1.3 and Maemo 5; they should continue with Maemo 6 and a evolved device with HW-Kb.

I don't feel comfortable with N9 and Meego, WTH, worst with other brands and models.. all of them lacks something!

Nokia what r u doing to me!! :)
Please consider the 2nd paragraph.

I think that is because Nokia had no proper OS for capacitive touch screen smartphone before, so they hired Peter Skillman and use the WebOS style.

Then Symbian Belle had used some features in Maemo 5 (N900).

If they keep the maemo 5 style on the new model (N9), Nokia had to use a resistance touch screen in the new model to ensure the precise operations on the screen. And, that will be too out-of-date.

ossipena 2011-10-17 06:43

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 1109760)
I found that on N9/N950,

there is no more widgets on home screen anymore,

it is just a backslide comparing to N900.

Because N900 use resistance touch screen, it is more precise than capacitive touch screens.

That means MeeGo had to use a new UI/UE design.

And finally, Nokia use the Peter Skillman style (very like WebOS),

The new style is just a bit like iPhone.

And no widgets any more. Even Android has widgets.

So, when you move from N900 to N9/N950,

can you feel a bit uncomfortable ?

Please share your thoughts.

my thoughts:

are you serious?!?

I didn't know that N9 === MeeGo. I thought it was MeeGo-Harmattan + nokia's swipe UI on top of that...

lanwellon 2011-10-17 07:29

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 1109782)
my thoughts:

are you serious?!?

I didn't know that N9 === MeeGo. I thought it was MeeGo-Harmattan + nokia's swipe UI on top of that...

Does it matters ?

The UI/UE continuity just been dropped on N9. That matters !

bandora 2011-10-17 07:33

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
Oh God.. Not this guy again.

lanwellon 2011-10-18 05:44

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 1109804)
Oh God.. Not this guy again.

Hey, let's just focus on the topic, buddy.

ossipena 2011-10-18 05:57

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lanwellon (Post 1109801)
Does it matters ?

The UI/UE continuity just been dropped on N9. That matters !

what continuity? "reference UI" doesn't ring any bells to you?

lanwellon 2011-10-18 05:59

Re: No more widgets on MeeGo after N900 !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 1110275)
what continuity? "reference UI" doesn't ring any bells to you?

What N9 use is not a reference UI, I think.

Daneel 2011-10-18 06:39

Re: UX continuity were droped since Harmattan (N9/N950) !
 
You can have widgets on Harmattan, you will just have to install third party application for it, when someone makes it.

slai 2011-10-18 07:09

Re: UX continuity were droped since Harmattan (N9/N950) !
 
wow **** widgets. try using the ui before judging it.

benny1967 2011-10-18 07:51

Re: UX continuity were droped since Harmattan (N9/N950) !
 
I agree that the UI on the N9 is inferior to Symbian or the N900; not having live widgets is a massive drawback and makes it feel "S40"ish.

Still, we knew it all along, I bought it even though I knew it, I still use the C7 as my main phone and enjoy having a new toy that understands shell scripts. So what? ;)

cjp 2011-10-18 08:11

Re: UX continuity were droped since Harmattan (N9/N950) !
 
The N9 is quite a different experience as it has no "desktop", but the "views" -system where you see certain content in certain views. Perhaps the most dominant one is the apps-list, which received some criticism earlier in this thread. I also feel this is a move towards a style that I thought was deemed obsolete by Marko Ahtisaari, but they decided to go that way with MeeGo and now with the choice of Windows Phone 7.

The experience on the N9 is very good, and the "3 views" style UI technically works brilliantly. However, I feel that this is a move towards a dumb-phone like feel, which is reinforced in the stock apps of the device: Facebook and Twitter apps open a drastically simplified app of what we're used to and all the pages in the browser open up as mobile websites (if someone knows how to tweak this, let me know!). So the experience is very iPhone-like indeed, in the sense that you feel you're thrown back to 2009. But using the N9 is also an aesthetically pleasant experience, where the feel, sound and graphics add to a very pristine and classy experience.

The N9 exceeds in everything it sets out to accomplish and even beats some of the competition in their own game, so you can't really say its a bad device. But if you are looking for something along the lines of the N900, the N9 isn't the device for you. If you decide to go for the N9 anyway, many familiar Maemo apps are available in the Nokia Store, such as: Filebox, Twimgo and gPodder.

Personally I'm going to my operator, getting a normal SIM and putting it back to the N900 again. :D

lanwellon 2011-10-18 12:08

Re: UX continuity were droped since Harmattan (N9/N950) !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjp (Post 1110313)
The N9 is quite a different experience as it has no "desktop", but the "views" -system where you see certain content in certain views. Perhaps the most dominant one is the apps-list, which received some criticism earlier in this thread. I also feel this is a move towards a style that I thought was deemed obsolete by Marko Ahtisaari, but they decided to go that way with MeeGo and now with the choice of Windows Phone 7.

The experience on the N9 is very good, and the "3 views" style UI technically works brilliantly. However, I feel that this is a move towards a dumb-phone like feel, which is reinforced in the stock apps of the device: Facebook and Twitter apps open a drastically simplified app of what we're used to and all the pages in the browser open up as mobile websites (if someone knows how to tweak this, let me know!). So the experience is very iPhone-like indeed, in the sense that you feel you're thrown back to 2009. But using the N9 is also an aesthetically pleasant experience, where the feel, sound and graphics add to a very pristine and classy experience.

The N9 exceeds in everything it sets out to accomplish and even beats some of the competition in their own game, so you can't really say its a bad device. But if you are looking for something along the lines of the N900, the N9 isn't the device for you. If you decide to go for the N9 anyway, many familiar Maemo apps are available in the Nokia Store, such as: Filebox, Twimgo and gPodder.

Personally I'm going to my operator, getting a normal SIM and putting it back to the N900 again. :D

Thanks for the reply.

You are right, there is no desktop on N9.

I think maybe I will be just like you : Using N9 for a while and cannot get used to it, then switch back to N900 again.

F2thaK 2011-10-18 12:35

Re: UX continuity were droped since Harmattan (N9/N950) !
 
i dont really miss widgets, i only use 1 screen on n900.

i only miss hw kb

Arpa 2011-10-20 13:33

Re: UX continuity were droped since Harmattan (N9/N950) !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cjp (Post 1110313)
Personally I'm going to my operator, getting a normal SIM and putting it back to the N900 again. :D

Maybe easier to get an microsim adapter (2€) and use the same sim, then when you eventually change to a new device, it's likely to have a microsim anyway.


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