N9 Successor
 

http://www.slashgear.com/n9-successo...ness-25190592/

Could it be? :D

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Perhaps you could search this forum for "Meltemi".

It's the next linux distry in line after Diablo, Fremantle (N900), and Harmattan (N9).
For me it doesn't mather that mouch if they call it maemo, MeeGo or the new S40(B). Important to me is to get N9 like Hardware.

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Here we go again :D

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I know about Meltemi.Perhaps you should read the linked article. The link that I posted talks about Maemo/Harmattan based OS. Which Meltemi is not. Meltemi is a new linux based OS for low end (or so the rumors say).

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that's good news for TMO! (if it's true.)

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Talked to a couple of friends inside nokia, no one had heard about it...

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It's not suprise at all. They know only about their own projects/teams etc.

Well. It's obvious that they have something Linux related in pipeline. For example, look at tweets by luovanto:
"After hacking in Ulm, research & dreaming in Beijing, general futures & good times in Tokyo & Hong Kong, it's good to go HEL"

..Well, ULM & Beijng are sites where INTERNAL OS development is being done. It can be meltemi or successor for meego-fremantle or whatever. Definetly something is being cooked!

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It could also be that this its just a plan b device in case wp7 fails... One that's not meant to be released as long as there its a choice.

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I remember the first time I heard about Harmattan and the N900 successor... I remember the good times planning and imagining what it would be... Now that thread has reached over 10 000 posts and I still don't have the N9 in my hands! :@

I'm done waiting around for rumours, lol, after I get bored with the N9, im going Android until Nokia releases (not announces) a new project.

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My friends inside Nokia are all Linux/Harmattan/Meego/Maemo related.....

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It fails, you can be sure about it!

Best Regards,
Chuck Norris

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Yeah, i remember it too. And i also remember myself being totally disappointed when nokia announced they will not be releasing n950 in public. Can't wait to buy a n9 but i know it'll never be the complete device for me because it lacks a hw keyboard. Anyway, i hope the rumours are true and there is something going on but even if it is, i think nokia has got me (us) in some kind of disappointment loop. It will happen. Has to happen.

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You will not be dissapointe Mr Elops says you will see alot of great Wp devices tomorrow at NokiaWorld ;)

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Thanks, that's really comforting :D

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seriously nokia has ni plan b. I am very sorry say it but nokia is o much in bed with microsoft. its not possible change strategy. I mean alot of maemo/meegodevs also leaved :( the "succesor"ors is probadly some kind of midend device based on symbian if not wp :(

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Good luck finding "new Maemo/MeeGo" in Nokia.

Jussi Mäkinen (luovanto) is clearly stating in his twitter that his boss is head of mobile phones marketing, i.e. he is working on 'next billion' future phones which some have called "meltemi". https://twitter.com/#!/luovanto/stat...41398794838019

I'm loving dreaming myself but at least, be realistic if you want dreams to be realised.

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I read the article, but you and they are missing the point. Why should some company reinvent the wheel from the beginning if they have already released 5 versions of such kind of system?

What else should Meltemi be if not a Harmattan, Fremantle, Diablo successor?

No mather if they call it "for low end", "for hi end", "for toasters with touchscreen" - Qt will be the development tool of choice, I'm sure they will stick to QML like Harmattan and now look: In the N9 is a 1GHz single core CPU.
There are already some S40 devices out there with a powerful CPU - not the same core but very similar.

Harmattan is currently very snappy, and will 1 GHz single core in 2 years resist in a hi-end or a lo-end device?

It's clearly the Harmattan successor. MeeGo is only a name as maemo was. Perhaps they will add support for a T9 keypad on top - but the core system will stay nearly the same.

If you ask me I would put this system in a device with state of the art hardware. But if you look at Nokia as it is in the moment you can buy this system soon in a 50€ plasic phone with 3,5" touchscreen, 5MP camera and 8GB storage.

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And they will tell it YOU and risk their job if they know that you will go online ASAP to post it at t.m.o.?

Yes, my friend. ;)

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Perhaps you never worked in large corporations. The reality there is far from being "we are the one single entity", there are different flows, clouds, islands, even greater hunks of earth out there. Surprisingly, they all fight for the same bucket of gold and have their own pride and ideas how to achieve world domination -- their corporate world and, if luck permits, outer world's domination as well. In short, life is though and medieval there.

In Nokia Mobile Phones long time were a cash cow who brought the money and paid for investments in other areas. Symbian did pay a bill as well but to a lesser degree. Maemo/MeeGo did consume. Cash cows have their own culture, development and business. Those with bigger pockets also have considerable say in what to invest in future, especially when cash cows are past their best days. So when attempts to reinvent come from within the cash cow it gets better credibility than those of a pure investment only and haven't paid out yet.

Of course, force balancing makes it so that not one force is always prevailing but rather a spectre of winds blow at the same time. If mobile phones folks got to hold the keys of their future, they would definitely argue that their technical knowledge of past is very relevant how to reach out to the next billion, perhaps, spiced a bit here and there with other achievements. Jussi's reveal as design/product marketing for future phones tells me exactly that -- Swipe UI is considered a good heritage of MeeGo and worth to bring to the next billion. At the same time, if you look around on LinkedIn and various blogs/twitter, some of Maemo/MeeGo engineers indeed are travelling to Ulm or doing something related to the next billion. How definitive is that work in terms of the platform being "Harmattan successor"? I doubt it is so -- yes, experience is taken with an interest and maybe some attention is paid to but largely design decisions would come from Ulm/Beijing areas as reinforced in those frequent travels -- while Maemo/MeeGo never been there, mostly in Helsinki capital area and Oulu/Tampere. Stadin folks are re-classified as soldiers, good and reliable but those who must be at frontline during the battle rather than in planning rooms.

The fact that Qt will be used there doesn't tell you anything about heritage. Trolls didn't really have real world mobile experience prior Harmattan/Belle (sorry, but Qt Embedded is far from real world) and were hard gaining it, sometimes in fights and often learning from failures. The fact that Qt 4.8 has gained 2x boost in file operations performance on Linux and 8x boost on Windows can give you a glimpse to the reality and may cool off a bit. (https://twitter.com/#!/quimgil/statu...86332956979200)

Let's see what Nokia World panels about the next billion would reveal today and tomorrow.

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Good points. It already struck as strange that they will invent the wheel again but I was thinking they may have good sources to back up the story.

Most likely it will be Maemo 7 (MAemo 6 = Harmattan/Meego).

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I share your feelings

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exactly!

how would one describe N9's hardware in 2 years? yet still it handles harmattan today and probably more optimized meltemi in the future with similar specs (except ram because it is expensive..so limitations to multitasking and that's it)

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...and cheap body, the cheapest display aviable and a really bad camera... :(

Sometimes I would like to have one or two persons to shoot for free without getting jailed. ;)

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You forget a cheap price. Which hopefully leads to large numbers of devices around, and to more applications...

As a developer, I am actually looking forward to cheap (open) Linux phones with much greater interest than I would be to high end expensive phones.

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And I as a customer looking forward to hi end Linux phones for my own, personal, daily usage.
I have no problem with cheap devices with the same system if there are some with superior hardware aviable. But without those? :confused:

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Performance wise, I think the cheap phones could not be much far from N900 level performance. Which is, I think, adequate, especially if the phones are going to have smaller/lower resolution screens. And they are going to be useful for a great deal of tasks. Considering the N900 full potential has been barely tapped, I look forwards to see these meltemi devices. And who says higher end devices will not be developed, if the first model are successful?

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Traditionally nokia's mid to low-end phones (s40) have had very good build quality and materials, usually better than N-Series devices.

I think at some point better specs hardly improve the user experience on a N9 form factor. After all its designed for one-handed use and has a relatively small screen. On such a device most people won't do any productive work which requires lots of computing power. That said, the n9 could need a bit more power here and there for some tasks.

It can be seen with the iphone4s, which most people probably won't buy just because it has a dual core.

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Nope. Mostly the E-series and N-series had the best hardware, better plastic/metal and such. The low end phones actually are known to break more often. Nokia's good reputations stems from N-E series and/or from phones of early 2000's. And this high end phones also tend to get more media attention.

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I respectfully disagree, IMO the design-oriented mid range had always good build, besides the e-series. Good general N-Series build is a relatively recent phenomena. Depends a bit on how one defines "recent" :)

E.g. I think the nicest nokia touch phone besides the N9 is currently the C6 (s^3 version)

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Build quality aside... I've seen now at Nokia World how the future for this meltemi platform could look like.

Have you seen the 4 symbian smartphones that were announced?

Have a look at the camera module. All of those are fixed focus cameras!
Just to say to the customers: "Hey, you wan't hi-end? Here are our shiny Windows Phones" :mad:

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^

Yeah its scary. Nokia will totally loose its identity with this MSFT merger. I mean they already start adapting the whole design language of wp7.

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This Windows Phone thing is just a fear reaction by Nokia.

They're trying to take the longer term view of the whole wretched "ecosystem". After trying for many years to put it by themself together, with maps, store, games (remember N-Gage) etc., and seeing the initiatives fail... they've come to the conclusion that they can not do such diverse ecosystem by themselves.

Microsoft has all that, games, business suites, phone + desktop, application store, search engine... whatever.

So Nokia's board of directors lack the self-confidence that Nokia could create such an ecosystem. And they think, in the long term, that such ecosystem will wipe out the other players. So they try to jump into something that seems promising enough so that they could be a relevant player in the future.

This is how I can make any sense of their reasoning. In some parts I can understand their fear.

But personally I feel it's still early days in the smartphone world, and a product like MeeGo Harmattan could have made a real difference if it was pushed strongly.

So I feel, if there's any chance for Nokia to revert their course all of the following must happen:

- Nokia's Windows Phone sell abysmally
- N9 sells a ****-load

If either of those points fails to realize, they will continue on their course, as sad as it is. As for myself, I know I will be using MeeGo Harmattan phone for the foreseeable future. If there's nothing better available when I have to upgrade, it will be Android for me, not Windows Phone.

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Agree. I never understood how the same organisation that produced the N95 (for instance) could also do such an abysmal job at services (e.g. Ovi)... but then that's what happens when you let marketing take complete control of the services. Image is important, but it is not everything.

As for Elop's speech at Nokia World, remind me: who does he work for again?

Every time he starts with the MSFT evangelism, he's quick to tack on a phrase like "...and we at Nokia see that too."

Yeah, right.

Whatever.

Elop's pinned to my dartsboard and that ain't changing. Childish? Sure, but it makes me feel better :)

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Question is, did the iphone succeed because of ze ecosystem or because they built a groundbreaking UI and provided developers the tools to easily extend the functionality of the system?

Without iTunes the iphone would not have taken off?

IMO making your software and hardware special is far more important in the long term than all that ecosystem crap.

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A successor would make great sense after the attention the N9 gathered. But with Elop in charge, I don't know if making sense is "new-Nokia's" thing!

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Interview with Elop: Tweakers.net finds him -regardless of his somewhat uninteresting appearance- very honnest in his answers and knowledgeable. :rolleyes:

http://tweakers.net/reviews/2358/las....html#reacties (warning, shocking picture)

E did not really want to comment on future of Meamo but dropped following between the lines

-Swipe will live on in other Nokia products
-QT apps will come available for the next billion (probably Maemo, can't be S40)
-Innovation is being increased cheap phones, doesn't tell where exactly.
-No high end phones with Maemo, cheaper phones with Maemo very likely.

Imo we are already beta testing and financing the new cheap format by N9. The screen and material is really that of next year's 200-300 USD phone.

Lumia 800 may be presented as pretty high end right now but .. it is a beginning of more high end to come where the N9 , sadly, may be the end of hardware evolution for Maemo for long time to come.

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There wasn't one single Symbian phone announced at Nokia World 2011, let alone 4.