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SamGan 2011-11-04 03:25

[Request] Some Essential Apps for N9
 
Hello Meego-Harmattan developers,

There is obviously some great talent in the developer community. We have seen some highly complex software for N9 recently including the Sigma Player, Track@way and Open Video Player. I do hope enthusiast developers will continue to support N9 with great apps.

Unfortunately there are some holes in the N9 app store in terms of certain apps which many general users will find useful. The following are in my humble opinion some of them.

1. Scientific calculator - the bundled calculator is just too basic with not even a sqrt function or brackets. I'm aware there is an AlmostTI emulation but it is too complex for most users with tiny buttons which are hard to press and the input syntax need some mastering.

2. Wi-Fi Analyzer - to display available wi-fi networks in the vicinity, their signal strength, channel no. and lock status would be very useful if you are looking to find the best reception or available network.

3. Wi-Fi File Transfer - ability to transfer files between device and PC using the wi-fi network. Using bluetooth for file by file transfer is too cumbersome and you can't specify the directory it will land in.

4. QR code scanner - QR codes are more and more common but the N9 still lacks the ability to read them.

5. GPS Parking - to fix your present location with GPS and directions to return to it later. Highly useful in metropolitan areas where one may have to park far away from one's destination.

6. Song recognition and lyric finder.

These apps are available in all other platforms including ios, Android, Symbian, WP7 and Bada except N9. As N9 becomes more mainstream I'm sure many users will be missing them. I'm certain it is not beyond the capability of developers here who can produce highly complex software. I'm appealing to developers here to consider them first before going for more esoteric and specialized apps.

Thanks and keep up your good work.

Edit: Ala Advanced Calculator is now available

http://my-meego.com/software/applica...23&fldAuto=559

Edit: GPS Parking is now available
http://my-meego.com/software/applica...Auto=606&faq=4

Edit: Remote Multi Drive for Meego for wireless file transfer is now available
http://www.my-meego.com/software/app...690&faq=9#rate

Thank you developers!!

youmeego 2011-11-04 08:31

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cant wait for the ebuddy for n9!

i wish to have

1.google map not from google
2.vpn
3.youku.com

colin.stephane 2011-11-04 14:03

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Hey !!!

Maybe someone can have a look at : this !!!

A++

jnwi 2011-11-04 14:30

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Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1118102)
1. Scientific calculator - the bundled calculator is just too basic with not even a sqrt function or brackets. I'm aware there is an AlmostTI emulation but it is too complex for most users with tiny buttons which are hard to press and the input syntax need some mastering.

Nice timing, I submitted a calculator app to QA a few days ago. I'll update this post when it's available (it should appear as "Ala Advanced Calculator"). EDIT: Now in the store

It's a command line-style calculator, but it also keeps the function count so low that the buttons aren't horrible to use. (Square root is a waste of space, btw, because it's the same thing as ^0.5)

The non-highlighted buttons have two functions, changed by swiping the keypad left or right.

You can also change the button size and UI color to your own taste.

youmeego 2011-11-04 15:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jnwi (Post 1118302)
Nice timing, I submitted a calculator app to QA a few days ago. I'll update this post when it's available (it should appear as "Ala Advanced Calculator").

It's a command line-style calculator, but it also keeps the function count so low that the buttons aren't horrible to use. (Square root is a waste of space, btw, because it's the same thing as ^0.5)

The non-highlighted buttons have two functions, changed by swiping the keypad left or right.

You can also change the button size and UI color to your own taste.

does it support landscape?

jnwi 2011-11-04 17:05

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Originally Posted by youmeego (Post 1118343)
does it support landscape?

Not yet. I'm not sure what kind of keypad layout to use. Any opinions?

If you end up liking Ala, try Kala too :)

e0x 2011-11-04 17:20

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i wish to have
SMSCON

Paul Ortyl 2011-11-04 17:33

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How many lists of requested apps do we need?

Here are some:

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3681
http://n9-apps.com/app-requests

the_Wildgoose 2011-11-04 18:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jnwi (Post 1118302)
Nice timing, I submitted a calculator app to QA a few days ago. I'll update this post when it's available (it should appear as "Ala Advanced Calculator").

It's a command line-style calculator, but it also keeps the function count so low that the buttons aren't horrible to use. (Square root is a waste of space, btw, because it's the same thing as ^0.5)

This looks nice. Any chance of an RPN version? I use an HP12C on my desk, find it hard to adapt back to "normal" calculators, but I hate all the 12C clones on the small screen... My favourite calc is probably the OSX "scientific" mode in RPN. It's a simple numbers, couple of functions, with a 4 deep visible stack all the time (I dislike my 12C in that I can't see the stack).

I use 1/x very often in RPN - the whole point with RPN is that you just stick in a bunch of numbers and then think about the operators later (you don't need brackets).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ca...hot_MacOSX.png
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ca...hot_MacOSX.png

I'm not sure if I understand your interface description. Seems like just like typing text, you would press shift/swipe and the "keyboard" changes to a completely different set of buttons, ie numbers -> functions. So for example, taking the OSX screenshot above, it's two groups of 4 buttons wide. The number keypad is group 1, the functions are group 2. This seems to allow you enough room to have sqrt without clutter? (however, bad example, I agree ^0.5 is fine)

Desperate for a nice calculator - good luck!

jnwi 2011-11-04 20:03

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Originally Posted by the_Wildgoose (Post 1118387)
This looks nice. Any chance of an RPN version?

Thanks. I have to admit I've never owned an RPN calculator, but I personally prefer seeing the command line history as equations instead of stacks. Wouldn't it be really hard to match lines from the history with anything you've got on paper?

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_Wildgoose (Post 1118387)
I'm not sure if I understand your interface description. Seems like just like typing text, you would press shift/swipe and the "keyboard" changes to a completely different set of buttons, ie numbers -> functions.

Yes, but that's not 100% correct. In my app, many keys always stay on screen, and never change. Only the function keys change to different functions, so there's less room for buttons. I want to keep the most used keys on screen all the time to avoid constant swapping.

SamGan 2011-11-05 01:39

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Hi Wildgoose, there is already an RPN calculator in Ovi Store
http://store.ovi.com/content/205187?...e=search&pos=2

jnwi, I'm glad your scientific calculator is under development. It looks good. But maybe a square root button for those who are clueless that it is the same as ^0.5? You can also save some keys by putting related functions on one key (like sin, asin) and using a 'shift' button. Btw, what is the purpose of the <- button?

SamGan 2011-11-05 01:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ortyl (Post 1118378)
How many lists of requested apps do we need?

Here are some:

http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=3681
http://n9-apps.com/app-requests

Hi Paul, developers hang out in different forums so more app request threads in different forums are not a waste. Thanks for alerting me to forum.meego.com. Btw, the app request thread in N9 apps is not a developers' forum so I doubt it is much use.

jnwi 2011-11-05 10:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1118552)
jnwi, I'm glad your scientific calculator is under development. It looks good. But maybe a square root button for those who are clueless that it is the same as ^0.5? You can also save some keys by putting related functions on one key (like sin, asin) and using a 'shift' button. Btw, what is the purpose of the <- button?

The swiping action already performs the task of a shift function, and I have two full pages of buttons. I think feature creep would really ruin ease of use. Maybe I could add a tip that points out how to do roots.

<- is Backspace. I've been considering adding Left and Right buttons as well, but left them out so far to save space.

Edit: and btw, the target audience for my apps is advanced users who want a nice UI. I don't like it how most apps with a good UI are optimized for beginners. Using x^(1/r) for roots instead of adding a button to save space is an optimization that should work for that group.

Not saying my app is perfect or anything, but those are my goals anyway...

SamGan 2011-11-05 15:04

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Originally Posted by jnwi (Post 1118645)
The swiping action already performs the task of a shift function, and I have two full pages of buttons. I think feature creep would really ruin ease of use. Maybe I could add a tip that points out how to do roots.

<- is Backspace. I've been considering adding Left and Right buttons as well, but left them out so far to save space.

jnwi,

I agree, keeping a lid on features is the way to go. But surely you can spare a button for the square root /cube root functions which are very commonly used for the sake of convenience? All physical scientific calculators have at least a sqrt key. Anyway, this is just my opinion.

Unfortunately < means "less than" and - means "minus" in maths so using <- as a back symbol can be confusing to a new user. It also looks a little ugly. I would suggest using a proper arrow graphic.

Paul Ortyl 2011-11-06 17:13

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EMAIL client!!!!

I have just stumbled upon missing feature in the built-in email client: you cannot quote an email on reply. The email is shown, but read-only and without copy&paste functionality.
I have submitted a bug for this: http://www.developer.nokia.com/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=621 (please vote!)

I have two quick and dirty solutions:

1. Could please someone package mutt for N9? Vi is there as editor, and is way better than what the email client serves...

2. Port modest to N9? (this wont probably be that quick...)

cincibluer6 2011-11-06 17:30

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Why not just use SSH for #3?

Paul Ortyl 2011-11-06 19:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cincibluer6 (Post 1119148)
Why not just use SSH for #3?

Because editing files remotely over GPRS connection is no fun at all. Been there, done that,

<rant>
Answering email should take 30 seconds to a minute, not 15 minutes while waiting for ssh to wake up after each lost IP packet. Interactive session over TCP is really very annoying when some IP packets get lost on the way.
</rant>

daichao8679 2011-11-07 04:17

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Quote:

Originally Posted by youmeego (Post 1118170)
cant wait for the ebuddy for n9!

i wish to have

1.google map not from google
2.vpn
3.youku.com



how about one more,QQ?

jnwi 2011-11-07 08:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1118747)
jnwi,

I agree, keeping a lid on features is the way to go. But surely you can spare a button for the square root /cube root functions which are very commonly used for the sake of convenience? All physical scientific calculators have at least a sqrt key. Anyway, this is just my opinion.

Actually, I really can't. Not without adding a third page of buttons. Maybe if I remove the pi-button... How important do people consider that?

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamGan (Post 1118747)
Unfortunately < means "less than" and - means "minus" in maths so using <- as a back symbol can be confusing to a new user. It also looks a little ugly. I would suggest using a proper arrow graphic.

This and landscape mode will arrive in the next patch :)

the_Wildgoose 2011-11-07 10:39

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My opinion would be that most of the advanced functions you click once and then back to the main number pad, eg normally you do a calculation then hit "sin()" or ^x or whatever.

So I would have thought you treat the second screen like a symbol screen. Numbers on one page, switch for the less common functions, as soon as you click one it flicks back to the numbers pad? Check out the screenshot I sent before of the Mac calculator, I think it does a very good job of splitting the buttons into common/less common and the two groups of digits would make two very nice screens that you could swipe left/right to?

Just a thought?

SamGan 2011-11-09 09:07

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jnwi, your calculator is out, thanks for making it free. It is beautiful. So what's your new project?

aironeous 2011-11-10 04:37

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I have an app request
Oh, wait, hold on for a second.

*background* Who's a sexy phone? Who's a sexy phone? You're a sexy phone! Yes you are! Yes....You...Are!
MWAH



Ok where was I?

Oh yeah I have an app request. A game called Angry......wait for it.........Fans.
Yes Angry fans
A small pudgy man and his cronnies sits atop some sort of construction, like maybe a pyramid of windows and we launch meego cartoon figures at him and there is a pool of water underneath him we are trying to dunk him in but as we make it to higher levels the pool gradually becomes more and more dangerous until the last level it's like a pool of lava and the ones before that are a pool of acid or fire - you know stuff like that.
There needs to be lots of him and his cronnies slamming into various things plus lots of WINDOWS breaking would be good too.
If you fail the level you get the blue screen of death and the BOSS and his cronnies laughing.
If you need the voice over sounds I can do a couple cartoon voices.

jer006 2011-11-10 17:07

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web2sms - it was an N900 application which provided an easy way to utilize bite sms and other third party providers to send cheap international SMS messages.

SamGan 2011-11-11 05:26

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Great idea, aironeous. Does this pudgy man have a name beginning with E___?

billranton 2011-11-11 10:31

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I'd love to have rdesktop on the n9, though I don't know how that would work with the vkb.

Jemoparis 2011-11-13 20:07

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Whatsapp is missing, usefull one

jabis 2011-11-13 21:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by billranton (Post 1121777)
I'd love to have rdesktop on the n9, though I don't know how that would work with the vkb.

AFAIR this is worked on by someone already - we just tested rdesktop just for the heck of it, and everything else did work except the keyboard :)

SamGan 2011-11-14 11:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jemoparis (Post 1123049)
Whatsapp is missing, usefull one

As Whatsapp has turned up its nose at N9 is it possible for a developer to write an app which mimics Whatsapp messaging function? It will have to make use of Whatsapp servers but messages can be disguised as if it comes from N8 which Whatsapp supports. Just a thought.

ammar.m 2011-11-14 12:21

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why do u people even want whatsapp? you do know its only free for the first year

NokiaRocks 2011-11-14 15:27

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Is there any way to add msn and icq to the N9 ? I always gotta carry 2 phones with me just for that :D

lolloo 2011-11-21 07:42

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can you make Google Docs App?

and youtube Downloader

ossipena 2011-11-21 09:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by e0x (Post 1118374)
i wish to have
SMSCON

what about setting up track and protect?

https://www.trackandprotect.com/

ossipena 2011-11-21 09:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NokiaRocks (Post 1123430)
Is there any way to add msn and icq to the N9 ? I always gotta carry 2 phones with me just for that :D

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2005/05/261.ars

cloudstrife1ph 2011-11-21 12:33

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netflix and skype/ym with video call capability if possible please...

memas 2011-11-21 14:21

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Something like shazam for music recognition would be nice.

tredlie 2011-11-21 14:58

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The one killer application for me is evopedia, which I use a lot on my N900; being able to search wikipedia offline for a number of different language wikipedias is simpyl phenomenal.

I would find it very sad if this would not be available on the N9.

marrat 2011-11-21 15:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lolloo (Post 1126677)
can you make Google Docs App?

and youtube Downloader

YouTube video download is supported by cuteTube.

jussi80 2011-11-21 20:16

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Driver's log application please.

strongm 2011-11-21 21:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by memas (Post 1126866)
Something like shazam for music recognition would be nice.

I emailed the Instinctiv team, who provided an excellent such tool on the N900 to see if they intended an N9 version. However, they seem to have abandoned Nokia

SamGan 2011-11-22 05:48

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Remote multi drive for wi-fi file transfer between mobile and PC is now available.
http://www.my-meego.com/software/app...690&faq=9#rate

Out of the 6 essential apps I listed on pg. 1, 3 have now been filled.


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