Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

There is a petition website which was just mentioned in a news article on the front page of yahoo.com here in the states which got me thinking.
I know there are a lot of us that want ELOP removed as CEO so why not speak our voice by creating a petition there.
Who knows it might make it to the news.

Here is the international petitions section of the website

http://www.gopetition.com/active-pet...International/

We need to state WHY WE WANT HIM REMOVED AND REPLACED in a concise manner and then we can all sign it.

We need to state facts and if any opinion is stated clearly label it as opinion and any supporting facts leading to that opinion listed.

I know there are many here that have more facts about his bad performance than I do so please list them in this thread and after a couple pages we can draw up the petition language and then post it on the website for signing.

My personal reasons for wanting him gone are:

1) He killed Meego for Nokia.

2) He is ending Symbian and going with closed source Windows instead of revamping the Symbian UI and going for broke on it or slowly transitioning over to Meego from Symbian.

3) Since he has been there the income tax for Finland has taken a big hit.

4) A lot of workers were laid off since he has taken office.

5) He blocked the N9 from getting to the USA

6) He appears to be a Microsoft trojan intending to lower the value of the company so that Microsoft can buy it up cheap.

If you agree with me about any of these please link to the facts and/or supporting articles and also:

What are your reasons for wanting him removed and replaced?

Maybe we can point back to this thread in the petition for people wanting to see more supporting evidence and articles.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

Exhibit E on Barnes & Noble vs MS shows what the whole deal is about.

http://www.groklaw.net/pdf3/675086-463533.pdf

Elop is just a proxy for the greedy board. It does no good to get rid of Elop when the whole board is as short sided and money hungry as it is.

More on the B&N vs MS here:

http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?s...11111122291296

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Yes.. The future does not look so bright here in Finland at the Nokia factory.

He destroys everything what Nokia is and turn it to Microsoft or something? I hope that windows phone will not sell well. The N9 is so much better in every way!

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Well, if windows was open source, now nobody would doubt that the change from Meego to Windows has been a GREAT thing. Suddenly Nokia is competing now at the same level as Android's and Apple, with only half of a year. Great. A huge success.

The problem here is that Windows is a closed business. But who cares about it? Nokia is not a non-profit organisation. The fact that we like more opensource SO's does not mean that anybody is forced to build a business around it. This is money, would you risk all your money and all your family money to start a business based on your romantic ideas?

I am afraid that the decision was to live or to die. The future of a Nokia linked with Meego, alone, with no ecosystem, and everybody here complaining of why the world is not looking at this direction since the N9 is so cool, is simply sad.

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@up

Really, I hope that i never ever heard "ecosystem" out of Animal Planet :p It reminds me of bad'old'time, when we had communist propaganda, here in Poland ;) Crafting words, that can mean anything in any context, but de facto doesn't mean anything (important).

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Windoze Phone market share in Q3 2011 was 1.5%, down from 2.7% in Q3 2010. Android market share in Q3 2011 was 52.5%, up from 25.3% in Q3 2010. Hardly 'the same level'.

The word 'ecosystem' in this context is a euphemism for locking in consumers by taking advantage of (and often forcing) network externalities. This is what MS managed to do in the desktop OS market. Your boss uses Windoze, so you must use Windoze. Smartphone manufacturers are now starting to use the same tactics in the mobile sphere, and sadly it appears to be working. :(

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From
http://www.villeaho.com/2011/02/12/n...nd-the-scenes/

Which proposes 2 scenerios of how and why this happened one commenter with username A.T. makes an interesting point,

"oh please… since spring 2008, 100% MS-owned-subsidiary IT provider pushed into IT of Nokia at weird circumstances (extremely short zero money supply exactly at time to renegotiate major IT contracts) and soon almost exclusively maintains email/calendar/etc … Lotus Notes infrastructure (which could keep MS-owned IT unable to read critical data) is phased out. PGP is removed and substituted by S/MIME solution by MS. So, which scenario you choose, eh?"

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They have to thing some new word, witch will sell.. hmm. Eco is the key word out there right now.. Hey! I know "eco + system" = "ecosystem" wooohoouuu now it will sell.

Lets put eco front of everything and it will sell. well done Microsoft.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

someone must be stupid to write this kind of petition. I aasume you don't know how the company works and this petition is a huge crap

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

How do you know the next CEO wont just still go ahead with the Microsoft move...? I agree with Raverpol as I think removing the CEO won't necessary change the company's strategy. IMO, If Nokia was succesful in breaking their alliance with Intel, I don't see why they can't break their alliance now with Microsoft (Yes I also do not know how the company works...lol). I would prefer a petition to reinstate Open-Source'ness as a primary OS for Nokia devices in the future, whether its Maemo, MeeGo or whatever you want to call it. Give the power back to the people and let us choose how we want to run our device. Just release different devices with different specs for different choices.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

people here have to get real. petition?! do you really beleive this would help!? this is ****ing big bussines and microsoft is as selfish asholes like the oilindustry! its to ****ing big money for nokia/microsoft to get away from microsoft.

and about android: endof 2012.android has loosed ALOT of its market cause of nokia+microsoft patent deals etc... same for apple...

every damn kid will by wpphones too cause of he integration with xbox and similar and also integration with windows on desktop.

so be happy to have the last cool linuxdevice like n9.

end of 2012 everything has changed to bader for the FOSS gurus :(

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

If you want to change NOKIA leadership you will first have to buy a lot of NOKIA stock, which, by the way, is going at a fairly decent price nowdays. Down over 30% for the year... Further, the decrease of stock price is not due to NOKIA's ecosystem but rather its elopsystem.

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It's not reasonousable to wrote it here. Ofcource windows is full of trojans. But Elop is just one person who's working in Nokia.

There are more room at internet than one Maemo community portal for shout it out.

...Reason for change chief would came from stock holders.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

Please don't confuse free as in freedom with free as in free beer!
I'm a big fan of Free Software but due to practical reasons I'd rather switch to a closed unixoid system like Solaris than to an open NT system like ReactOS (even if it were fully functional) if Linux and BSD were to die tomorrow. I highly appreciate the relatively open structure of Maemo, but more than that I value it to be a *nix system.
So to answer your question: I care!

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I like the straight "off the cuff" honesty going on here. Did any of you guys read the first response in this thread regarding Barnes and Noble versus Microsoft?

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Who cares? The damage is done and NOKIA lost. Just move on and enjoy the N9

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I don't think the ecosystem (i.e. services like itunes, gmail etc.) is what made the iphone and android big (meaning todays huge marketshares). Its the combination of a good OS combined with good dev. tools, which allows 3th party dev. to make services available on your handset. Nokia should have stayed out of the services business (except maybe maps, where economics of scale make it worthwile) and concentrated on providing good hardware and OS+Qt tools.

You can still integrate 3th party services in your OS if you want tight integration, like its done with messaging on the N9.

lol, i know exactly what you mean. If you hear elop talk, he keeps repeating "ecosystem" til you head spins. In the end you get the impression it just means everything and nothing.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

While a good effort I am not sure this will help.
Nokia will end when MS buys it cheap in 2-3 years.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

With Nokia WP7 devices out in the open, the real problem is not visible anymore. Elop delivered what he promised - the WP7 phones. It is another question, what WP7 means to Nokia in the long run, and how it will make it smaller and less independent; people will only see the shiny new Lumia 800 and believe that alls right with the Nokia. I guess Elop can stay in his position for years now, and there is a high chance he will never be challenged for crippling Nokia.

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It's not only the windows phone move that's bad. It's the execution too. Why announce the switch a year before you have any devices to sell?

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Exactly. The investors have spoken loudly and clearly. So if that wasn't enough to convince the board to get rid of Elop it's clear that nothing will (especially not some random petition somewhere on the web) and the problem is the board itself. Cf HP/Apotheker.

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lets give elop a chance and see what he will do. i totally agree that meego is a perfect match for iOS and Android but lets give windows phone a chance as well. one thing elop is doing really good and the thing is that nokia is now more active. devices are launched when they are announced and they doesn't take 4 to 5 months to get released. i just want to see Nokia on the top spot again whether the OS will be Meego or Windows Phone it really doesn't matter. and if windows phone failed then Nokia dont have any option to use Meego and Symbian as their main high end OS. and i also think with Symbian Belle update, Symbian is ready again to fight back.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

No need for detailed reasons. Elop is a Microsoft whore....'nuff said.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

panjgoori, I grade your post D-
See me after class.

We've already seen what he's done.

OK!

It's not "as well", it's "instead". Make up your mind.

That's like praising an arsonist for lighting up a street where the streetlamps just needed replacing.

1. Nokia has a problem!
2. Something must be done!
3. Trashing the roadmap and becoming Microsoft's "partner" is something!
4. Therefore that is what must be done!

Why? What made them great in the first place? (Hint: differentiation is important and part of that is controlling the OS. Now with WP, the OS controls Nokia) For that reason, your statement doesn't make any sense to me and smacks of blind fanboy-ism.

Didn't you just say that it didn't matter which OS they succeeded with?

So you've now managed to make three statements in a row, all of which contradict each other.

Still, I'd rather have you in charge of Nokia than Elop, because the aimless meandering of your post would fit in nicely with the old pre-Elop management style - failing to see what's in front of them, making vague pronouncements, but at least vaguely well-intentioned. Despite its myriad failings, that old management style at least brought us the N900 and the N9.

...and to address the core of this thread: as others have noted, online petitions aren't worth the paper they're written on.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

symbian ROTFL have you totally forgoten that those devs has veen fired/outsourced and btw. belle Still not out for n8 and c7 etc.. and nna is bigjoke on my c7. so please dont be so damn naive. symbian.is dead same for meego. only thing that is.alive is n9+maemo6+qt. that should be the way to go but it will not. its all about wp on hiend now.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

btw. My guess there is max ten persons now working with the updates for n9 so credit to that team and alsi the qt team ofcourse.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

Except one, developer support.

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Well, as elequently stated, it is pretty clear a petition is not a good idea. Instead, how about starting an "Occupy Nokia" movement so that the 1 % do not ruin it for everybody else. Disgruntled maemo folks could occupy the main lobby of Nokia headquarters and voice their concerns.

Some possible outcomes:

1)Occupiers are ignored (buisness as usual)

2)Elop and board members come down to the lobby and hand out free lumia 800s to everyone. Elop then explains Nokia's global strategic planning. Everyone realizes that he is not such a bad guy and become Elop worshipers.

3)Nokia gives out the remaining N950s to the occupiers and they go away.

4)Nokias calls the police. The occupiers are beaten and dragged away to jail, never to be heard from again....

Any volunteers?

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

Remember that Elop is not only Microsoft and WP, but also "Internet for the next billion" and a strong focus on Qt and QML. Removing Elop could also endanger those strategies. If Elop really wanted to kill the N9, he would have done this, IMHO, instead of splitting the world into WP and Symbian/MeeGo markets.
He most probably killed the first N9 design because it had serious issues and called people back to the drawing board to make sure the MeeGo phone will rock.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

Really?

http://meego.gitorious.org/meegotouc...commits/master

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

Elop didn't kill the N9, but he deprived it of oxygen, which produces the same result eventually.

Seems to me that they really needed to go back to the drawing board a couple more times:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=78488

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80099

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=79576

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

My thoughts on "ecosystem": http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com...urated-manure/ :D

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

^

From your post:

Fully agree, people don't want to be locked in an ecosystem, but unfortunately this is the business model everyone is after these days. To some degree I can understand it, because I think its easier to innovate on a grand scale if you control all parts of the consumer experience.

Re: Online petition to get rid of Elop as CEO
 

Hi could ou give a direct link to the petition
I can't find it