Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

As a lot of people in this community know me (at least I like to think ;) they know I'm a big fan of my N900 and use it as it was designed (heavy IT work, heavy Linux work)

Is the N9 worth the swap, or should I just stick with the N900?

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

If you have to ask, stick with the N900...

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N9 is a sack of ****, you will get no heavy linux/sysadmin work done with it.

Also you are not good enough for an n950.

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N900 still rocking

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What the **** man... It may not be the heavy system intensive phone that the N900 is, but it is anything but a sack of ****

This is true, I agree with vi_ on this fact, it isn't a heavy linux or sysadmin phone like the N900 was/is

Haha, people are running the exact same firmware as I am on the N9... how does it make the phone better? A lack of a hardware keyboard isn't what's crippling the N9, it's Nokia itself that is doing that.

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Not good enough? :D How so?

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A good HWKB can make a huge difference. It changes the way you interact with the phone. Maybe its the early period of having no HWKB but I focus mostly on how I am typing - fixing, moving between words, correcting etc then the wonderful UI that i'm presented with. Almost forced to use the phone on portrait as a landscape view means the vkb pretty much occupies 75% of the screen. Dont believe me? Try having a IM chat on landscape.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

I'm accustomed to it by now... but I also came from the N8.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

Um... we already have multiple threads discussing this.
Can you take it to those or shall we wait for a mod to do the obvious?
(merge the threads)

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

Let em get merged Oct 2009. ;)

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

No idea what you're trying to say...
You do know how to search the forums right?
If not lemme know, & I may dig them up for you.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

No sir, I have no idea. :(

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

Compared to the N900, the N9 is better to take calls, better in bright sunlight, better in out of the box battery life, better in demonstrating how fluent Maemo could have worked with just that little bit more of tweaking and 1GB of RAM...
That's about it.
Did I miss something?

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

I suspect that OP knew the answer to the question before he even asked it, since the answer is quite obvious. The N9 is not a suitable replacement for the N900, except in those cases where the user does not require anything other than a typical smartphone. This also applies to the N950 IMO, since they run the same software, and that software is not designed to be used with a HWKB, which limits the advantage of having one. Also, I find the HWKB on the N950 to be cumbersome for handheld typing. It's too spacious for its own good, which means that your thumbs need to travel much further for each keypress. It does however make it easier to use on a table/desk. In all honesty, I prefer the keyboard on the N900. :)

N900 + more RAM + fast CPU = WIN! :D

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I did not know the answer. I wanted you fine folks to give me your direct opinions on the matter. The hardware keyboard is a big plus for me.. and Aria (second post) basically answered the question elegantly for me. :)

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

I believe the N9 will perform better in its version of n900fly, since its shape produces less drag.

That's pretty much it for functionality, I guess. You'll probably be better off with the N900 for all other purposes.

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As I've said almost everywhere, the only drawback is the camera on the N9, otherwise I am more than satisfied with it :)

You're not really planning to buy an N9 are you? I get the feeling you were bored at work or something...

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

Sigh, these threads must die....
They serve no good purpose but to get N900 & N9 users to fight against one another.
And a time when we need to be supportive of one another more than ever before.

Except that doesn't exist. ;)

There are many regression sw-wise, especially at the upper-most layers, we know that.
But we're finding with each month that work-around/twks/mods nevertheless are appearing.
People were originally doomsdaying, saying it's a lost cause, lets see what things look like in 6mth.

The "biggy" is a fully functioning & unfettered AEGIS open-mode.
I haven't checked in the last 48hrs, but when I did it was still somewhat bogged down.
It comes in "fits and bursts", but I think we'll get there in-the-end.
Software is where the biggest disappointments are, but sw is a very rubbery thing.
What we think may always be a lost cause, can be substantially improved over time.

HW-wise the N900's certainly not superior...
Yes when the N900 was 1st released it was far more aggressive/bold hw-wise.
The N9 should've been way more of a bump, but overall a bump it still is.
Here are the N900's notable hw advantages:

mSDxx
No SD2.0 support means >32GB support will be possible, but it'll never perform as mSDXC should.
N9's built-in 64GB eMMC will perform as well RW-wise as the N900's 64GB mSDH/XC.
If you use N900's two mediums simultaneously that may change, or if you go above 64GB mSDXC.
But the latter is still a pricey proposition....

IR
Up to you, I personally never used it on the N900

HW QWERTY
Ditto here, I've always used BT/USB portable qwerty's.
Far better for serious typing than built-ins.
(but the N900's qwerty was the best built-in I've ever used)

FM-TX/RX(RDS)
RX(RDS) is almost done for N9, & TX (unlike N950) isn't ruled-out yet

Speakers
The speakers can get louder with less reverberation issues.
The actual sound quality is not better though.

No doubt I'm forgetting a few other things, but that's mostly it.
The list of advantages the N9 has is somewhat larger.
I'll leave that for you to do some research on.
But if the above features are critical for you, then the N900 is what you want.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

i just buy a N9 because my n900 get damage ( just the radio part ) so i still can play with my n900 but not take call anyway the N900 is another kind of beast, one that i think will never be another one again , for a device from 2009 and counting all advance in the area is pretty impressive what n900 can still do know but still is a old device and that is why N9 good for follow the maemo device legacy in this time just need wait what community can make with the N9 this time i pretty sure a lot of amazing things will come.

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I agree with the last point, but not the first two. I use and carry both an N9 and an N900 (which I agree is slightly ridiculous...) since the N9 can't replace the N900 for a variety of reasons, but there are some things the N9 does much better, for example browsing mobile sites, reading and even writing email (SWYPE is great), instant messaging, usability when it comes to various kinds of feeds, and Nokia maps, especially outdoors in daylight.

For regular calls they are neck and neck, but for SIP calls I have found the N900 to be better, and SIP is what I use most of the time. I have had issues with SIP on the N9, basically calls breaking up or dropping altogether. Trying the same number with the same reception (either wifi or 3G) on the N900 has always produced better results. That's just my experience though; your mileage will vary.

Better out of the box battery life is true for the N9 I guess, but the point is moot because you can carry as many spare batteries for the N900 as you want with you and they are dirt cheap. I currently own 8, but generally carry 2-3 spares with me in my wallet when I'm out and about, where I don't even notice them. I always charge the batteries, never the phone, so I never worry about being attached by a cable with the N900 (and I do all my file transfers with ssh over wireless). I always have at least 1 spare battery to reach for when I need it, wherever I am. Basically I never even have to THINK about battery life with the N900.

The N9 is very slick and nice to hold in the hand with its unibody design, but the lack of removable battery is a huge pain, and at the end of the day the slickness and coolness of the phone's body just isn't worth this extra inconvenience. I find that the battery life varies hugely depending on how much I use the phone. I can easily get through two days with very light use; but with even moderate to heavy use suddenly I can't even get through the day; by tea-time the battery is finished. So I WORRY about the battery all the time with the N9, a huge downside to ownership and every night I have to remember to charge it. Having to worry about your device does not make for happy ownership. In contrast, I never have to worry about how much battery life I have with the N900, and I never have to remember to charge it. Whenever I wander past one of my chargers (there's one in the kitchen, another in the bedroom), with its prominent blue/red LED, seeing the blue light (means charged) reminds me to swap the nicely charged battery for the empty one I'm carrying in my wallet, which I do right away, and then forget about it again. It's a system that works really well.

If it came to an actual choice between the N9 and the N900 though I would find that very difficult. They have different strengths and weaknesses. I guess I would choose the N900 over the N9 at the moment, with a heavy heart, but this is only because there is much more software available for the N900 and it's such a mature device. There are things I simply can't do on the N9, but hope to be able to do as time goes on and more software is released. Eventually I expect that the choice will then go the other way - again with a heavy heart.

I guess I feel lucky I don't have to make this choice.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

beat me to it

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N9 basically needs more time to mature SW-wise.
There's some nasty bugs that can cause considerable battery drain under the right conditions.
But it depends entirely on the config/usage scenarios.

First thing I'll do once I get my White 64GB N9...*
Is do a tear-down and doco that in more depth than the service manual.
I will probably doco it all over at iFixti.com....

Before doing so I'll look into alternative batteries & panels.
It'll be interesting if replacing either is feasible, doubtful.

*if the freaking thing is ever order-able in Australia!?

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

anyone who is going to leave n900 wants to give/sell/swap his front frame with me? i would be very thankfull..

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The 2 big things for me is an usefull GPS program while driving and the fact that is pentaband.

I love my n900, is great but I feel i can never trust the device when I need something quick and away from home.

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Being in the UK I have no practical means of getting an N9 here, therefore I have ripped away the keyboard from my N900, glued the battery cover to the chassis, and removed my SD card and set Hildon to fixed portrait mode. I've also installed the manky new system font and deleted most of my useful applications.

Now I have an N9.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

It isn't. Apples and oranges.

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Does vpnc run on it? Is anyone aware of this?

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I am actually using N900 & N9 and recommend both.

Nokia N9 is IMHO the best touch-only smartphone for Linux users :
- real Linux, see :
Fremantle x Harmattan Beta3 comparison
- excellent X terminal with virtual keyboard with Tab, Ctrl, arrows, etc. Even better, Swype has a mode with more controls :
http://everythingn9.com/advanced-key...ions-nokia-n9/
- ssh client and server, "ssh -X" works, etc;
- Python with plenty of modules :
http://wiki.maemo.org/Python/Harmattan

N900 is better due to its real keyboard and being more open : chroot, Easy Debian, etc.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

there is a vnc app that runs from nokia on it, I haven't personally used it.

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The N9 is sexy... All you have to do to convince yourself is just hold it in your hands, look into its screen...and you will fall in love.
People will stare at it in the bus and the streets, lol. Where with the N900 they just go "eww look at that 1980s beast!"

And this is from a guy that *HATES* virtual keyboards mind you, lol.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

The home-screens lock in Harmattan is removable...

Manky? Looks like an improvement overall where I'm standing (have a N900).
Especially with the font update on the way...

Well, that's debatable....
There's def. more commercial apps coming out than there was for N900 at this stage of it's life-cycle.

And community apps/ports are slowly but surely gaining momentum:
http://apps.formeego.org
^ There's some good threads around to follow progress of that.

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Cisco VPN. Not VNC. :)

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Not sure about VPNC, but there is a solution for OpenVPN
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=4226&page=3

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

A lot of people have said this. Real pity it doesn't exist, nor will an equivalent for some time.

@OP
There are some features the N900 no longer/can't operate, if you need these go for the N9. If you need the full linux and hardware of its predecessor, don't think you'll find any improvement.

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The only reason I'd upgrade to N9 would be support for AT&T 3G in the US. GPRS doesn't really let me use all N900 potential and switching to T-Mobile is not a viable option in my case. I'm not after the looks, but I have to admit N9 is a beautiful piece of hardware.

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Short answer: it's not.

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Get N9 and keep your n900 for life. Just like what I did. :)

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pointless thread is pointless.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

Time to buy an N900 again. I think the N9 and N900 will get on well together. Tether with the N9 and I can use the N900 without a second SIM.

Re: Convince me the N9 is better than the N900
 

idgaf if the people on the bus are liking my phone or not.

you sir, must get an iphone