Nokia Q4 results are out. Lost $ 1.4 Billion. Now what Nokia will do ???
 

Today Nokia announced their Q4 figures. still in loss. lost 1.4 billion. Now what will happen next ? Elops sinking ship is now sinking faster. Nokia was even better with Symbian.

m.cnet.com/Article.rbml?nid=57366520&cid=null&bcid=&bid=-266

Its sad to see the company i love most dying.

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nokia will continue to do what they committed in the past 6 months. build more wp devices and focus on the wp ecosystem. to turn back now would cost them more.

that is what i think elop would be thinking. we call this masturbation - i.e. self enjoyment.

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What it should still do:
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/...an-b-20110215/

But now replace "Meego" with "Tizen".

Now Nokia will go ahead and give future inferior Lumia-products for free in USA, getting some comfort money from MS in return.

N9 sold more (1.4 M?) than two different Lumia-models together (1.2 M?), in the same time; and although Lumia had reduced pricing, much more marketing, free x-boxes in Britain and stuff.

in the meantime competitions will bring:
Samsung Galaxy S3, iPhone 5, LG X3, HTC Zeta; all with quad-core processors. Nokia will have to wait for WP8 Apollo till 2013 to get even dual-core.

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i hope you are kidding. Joining MeeGo was the biggest mistake Nokia did, should have stayed with Maemo.

Tizen is pretty much a joke.

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Btw it reads Nokia did 458 million euros profits before taxes on the business site here?
At least Nokia went 7% up after the Q4 results on stock market

EDIT. Ah it seems Navteq brought the result down for well over 1 billion. Phone side was actually profitable.

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they shouldnt have left Maemo.

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AFAIK the N9 sales have not been mentioned. I very much doubt anything more than 100.000 . The N9 is relatively expensive, not marketed well, and hard to get outside of select markets.

But I don't care about the N9 sales figures anyway. I love my N9, best Nokia I have owned (but my N900 is still very good, a totally different user experience).

The Lumia 800 also isn't bad, but the bigger screen of the N9 alone is reason to prefer the N9 over Lumia 800.
The user experience of Windows Phone really is pretty good, good looking, smooth and simple. In a lot of ways similar design goals as the N9, but implemented differently.
A shame Windows Phone doesn't integrate with any services/software I use, so for me Windows Phone is a bad choice.

Nokia just had a lot of bad choices, and picked one. Continuing any Intel development would have been deadly. Just now is intel introducing a SoC that can actually be used in a phone, and it can't compete with the next gen high-end ARM SoC systems in any way (CPU, GPU and power).
Also Symbian, MeeGo and Windows are problematic.
Windows will be going through a rough transition to support ARM on NT kernel, and Intel will probably switch the windows phone platform to the same base.
MeeGo/Tizen (the Intel mix) is a buggy distribution that isn't ready for prime-time, and ARM support in other distributions is also in very active development, and not nearly as mature and optimized enough to compete with iOS (just look for the presentation of ARM on Ubuntu and look at the time it took Nokia to get Harmattan performance up to spec.)
Ask any developer that tried to port a game from iOS/Android/PC to Symbian, what they think about the platform. Symbian has improved, and does offer pretty good performance, but really is outdated in so many ways.

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This sentence it's really all that needs too be said.

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..........?

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nokia was not a sinking ship when Elop came. but now its really a sinking ship and sinking fast. i wonder what the board of directors a doing ? N9 sold better than 2 lumia phones. even with much higher price tag and with a little advertising campaign compared to Lumia phones.

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wtf Elop is ? a btch an as* ?
i just don't understand where did he come from

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Guys, from where do you have those N9 sales numbers? Esp. compared to the Lumia / WP sales numbers...

And I agree - Nokia should have stuck with maemo...

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I wonder if Elops is gonna pull a captain of the costa concordia move and leave the ship before it goes down if this results continue for the next 2-3 quarters.

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned the quote about the N9:

It's debatable whether the customized MeeGo experience is a step in the right direction after Maemo, but it's nice that the path may not be dead altogether. We may still see upgrades (or possible hold-me-overs) in the future.

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that quote sounds like something that was said before ms partnership announcement

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No, I don't think so. Get over it: It's dead, Jim...

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Hard to tell, Nokia is trying to obfuscate this (which should suggests how real numbers looks like).

For Lumias, the key phrase is "sold well over 1 million Lumia devices to date". Incidentally all other numbers are for Q4 (and not "to date"), so that trickery suggests Lumias (meaning 800 and 710 models combined) probably sold well below 1 million in the 2011.

For N9 there is no number at all. But with some reverse engineering it looks like it's 1.5 million or more (meaning potentially a lot more, it depends how much Symbian and WP7 phones were sold, but we don't have the breakdowns, only sure number is the overall count)

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Interesting read.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia...-Phone_id26304

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. They will continue elop strategy.

funny is they dont want to sell smartphones like n9 even if people.want it :mad: where is the white nokia n9 as.n example :mad:

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Nokia should pay dearly for choosing WP7 over maemo/meego.what a shame on them.

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You can doubt, but every rumor or stats I've seen are between 1 and 2 million for Q4 (mentionned elsewhere in this thread too).
It really sold quite well, just not in the "major" markets.

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This is why Samsung is on top. They listen to what the consumers want, unlike Nokia. They all loved Maemo 5, but only wanted a thinner and keyboardless phone. What does Nokia do, announce MeeGo and more delays. They love the N9, and the story retells itself. They brought it on themselves. I hate to see Nokia die and stop innovating, but with Elop at its helm, I rather see it dead.

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i dont understand why the shareholders havent acted yet.

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Yep, it really seems that N9 clearly outsold Lumias, even though it wasn't officially for sale in Spain, France, Germany and Netherlands for example. What Nokia tried to do - however - was to sell these people S40 and Symbian phones...

Clever business.

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Quote from link in original post...
On the bright side, the company's new Lumia smartphones that use the Windows Phone operating system are selling well. Nokia CEO Stephen Elop said in a press release that the company has already sold well over 1 million Lumia handsets since the introduction of the product in October.

That's not a very impressive when you consider the sales figures of the N8 on its release.

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i want nokia to suffer bad.Suckers !!

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I'd prefer for it to survive. If it gets its **** up and N9 sales turn out to be great (as everyone is suggesting without any data) it might have some money to spend on investment and unfreezing things like maemo/meego. Nokia dying will be the end of those. Who is going to buy this in a year or two? Then again, M$ deal might've had 'kill open source division' included, in such case RIP, maybe at announcing bankruptcy maemo blobs will become buyable at few dollars a piece and community could take over. Considering there will be only ios/droid left doubt many investors will swarm

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thought this was very interesting about N9 numbers - he is estimating 1.75 million N9's so far.

http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...-to-n9-me.html

The crazy thing is that its not been launched in big markets which leaves you wondering how many more would have been sold if it had a full global launch.

He thinks if the N950 and N9 were launched globally with some proper marketing it would be getting closer to 6.6 million devices on harmattan - which is all crystal ball gazing but kind of makes sense if you consider the major markets where the n9 is not being sold right now.

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What will they do? Continue on the doomed path of WP7.

What *should* they do? Tell M$ to P.O. and go with Meego Harmattan.

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time for nokia to move on over to the (what did they call it) "future disruptions" technology.

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Maybe they own stocks at Microsoft?

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To be fair the n9 has been on the market for longer and sold about the same as the lumia 800.

Critical will be how the lumia 900 performs on the american market. If nokia doesn't succeed with wp7 there they could as well have chosen meego.

Someone knows why navteq made a huge loss?

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I think that Elop was right to drag Nokia strongly in one direction, rather than muddling along in several directions. Unfortunately, for my purposes he chose the wrong direction. Nokia will fairly soon live or die rather than survive and slowly bleed to death. It is appropriate that it will end in the loving but lethal arms of Microsoft.

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Meanwhile, they're popping the corks in celebration of selling the 1.5billionth s40 device since 1999. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/business-16712308 and crying into their champagne at http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/mobile/business-16740787.

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I think that Nokia made right moves, when they have chosen Lumia and MS money (Nokia needs that money) ... it seems Lumia sales well, even it is just launched - it is good for Nokia ... by the way, I am N9 owner and it is really my favour phone ... and I really believe that Meego Harmattan is still in Nokia, when Mr. Elop is already gone ... well, just waiting PR 1.2 and then PR 1.3 and then PR 1.4 ... because I prefer it over big boys: WP-Lumia, Google-android and Apple-ios, for various reasons ...

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I'm pretty sure, that Nokia will follow laws of, erm, "ecosystem" and get eaten/cannibalized by biggest predator, erm, partner :p Well, we know some "ecosystem" cases, where one bug eat another after copu...erm, business merging.

/Estel

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There is some reasoned speculation online that N9 outsold Lumia. N9 may have sold 1.4 million and Lumia just over a million. Nokia will not announce breakdown figures which makes you wonder why.

Lumia sales have been purchased with intensive marketing and unsustainable incentives while N9 was banned from major markets by a desperate Elop. Yet only 1 million sold is actually a failure while N9 outselling Lumia would be a slap on his face.

For comparison Apple sold 37 million iphones in Q4.

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Nokia knows that too ... so I believe that they will continue with multiple OS (WP, Symbian and Meego Harmattan and there is a rumor about Meltemi too) ... and what really means something for Nokia, is total sales, not a sale of a single product or OS (all phones, inc. WP + Meego Harmattan + all Symbians) - iPhone sales was not a single model either ...

By the way, how about if a high end phone will cost only 100 - 200 EUR in a near future ? - well, excluding notebook phones, but they are not phones :) - then Nokia might be strong again ...

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SamGan SamGan SamGan....



The N9 figure you stated is rubbish so stop it. We all know it was higher and someday Nokia will disclose that - end of story.

Cherry picking I see (selective numbers)

you may as well say apple sold 3.7m iphone 3 a poor performance
to nokias 20 million. (an equally stupid comparision).