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johnel 2012-01-31 08:41
Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
I've just read this and thought some people here will find it amusing:

http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/12/...hone-struggles

You see? It's all the salesmen's fault not the stupid decisions of the current CEO - Steven "I'm Steve Ballmer's b1tch" Elop.

I think it's about time his monkey-ar5e was removed from Nokia.

Quote:
One of the worst signs for WP8 is that Nokia's N9 — despite being crippled without marketing, and often selling at full price compared to the almost fully subsidized Lumia phones

bocephus 2012-01-31 09:36
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Did I ever mention how much I loathe Elop?

Quote:
"Interestingly, if the Nokia N9 had been available in all markets, it might have sold almost 5M units and pushed Nokia into profitability."
Will the Nokia board take note and fire his sorry a55? Of course not - they too have proven themselves inept by even picking Elop in the first place.

Anything bad that happens to Nokia from here on out, they deserve. I will at least still have my N900's.

panjgoori 2012-01-31 09:52
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
wait and watch. next they will blame peoples not to buying windows phone. its clearly stated that Nokia N9 outsold both Lumia's. Time to celebrate Maemo Community.

F2thaK 2012-01-31 10:03
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
LOL. It has *nothing* to do with how sh.t WP7 is.

droll 2012-01-31 10:32
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
oh my f***ing god. i hate it when top mgmt speaks like this. this is coming from the ceo. any ceo worth his or her salt will know that a company is only as good as its employees. putting the blame on the sales folks means you, mr elop, have failed to incentivise them correctly.

common, you are nokia. you've been in this business for a long time. are you telling us you don't know how to sell phones? are you telling us it took you so long to recognize the problem that it has to come out of your mouth only now? you mean you didn't realize your sales folk are people who are in it for the money???!! reward changes behaviour. hello! people management 101!!!

when the company fails, the people have failed. don't blame anyone else, elop. blame yourself. once you start doing that, nokia might still have a chance.

The Wizard of Huz 2012-01-31 10:34
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by F2thaK (Post 1158285)
LOL. It has *nothing* to do with how sh.t WP7 is.
Exactly. The only people who really like WP7 can be found in the comment sections on sites like The verge or tweakers.net. Those places are flooding with Microsoft "evangelists" trolls. But in real life no one cares for WP7.

It is pathetic that a CEO is blaming salesmen? Wasn't it Microsoft who was paying salesmen for every WP7 phone sold?

droitwichgas 2012-01-31 10:36
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" Interestingly, if the Nokia N9 had been available in all markets, it might have sold almost 5M units and pushed Nokia into profitability."

Perhaps it is not the salesman's fault then Elop?

Dave999 2012-01-31 10:46
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Let Elop have a sip of Tizen and they will jump ship again :D

http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-conten...31-296x500.jpg

stickymick 2012-01-31 11:22
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
From a Vodafone locked Nokia users point of view (until I got my N900), I can quite understand where he's coming from. He just needed to look deeper and further afield than just "salesmen".

The networks are partly to blame for Nokia's demise, in the fact that they have been in control of software updates where their branded handsets are concerned.

For example- My old N95- 8GB is still on the latest Vodafone branded firmware, which happens to be 2 versions behind the generic Nokia version, with "No further updates planned, as we haven't been told of any newer versions" (Vodafone's words on their forum).

Even with the N900 they tried to restrict updates and services. Type my N900 product code into NSU and it will tell you what the latest "Vodafone approved" firmware is. T-Mobile refused to stock the device because Nokia didn't and wouldn't provide a means for them to fill it up with their network lockouts and corporate bloatware, same reason that Orange didn't stock it. O2 stocked the N900 for a short while, but because customers couldn't use O2's services they steered customers away towards competitors devices.

Vodafone customers had to fight tooth and nail to get PR1.3 for the N900. Vodafone didn't release the "Pre- PR1.3" patch, so they had to go to Nokia and beg for a double release because PR1.3 couldn't be installed over PR1.1. Once they got that sorted they still took months to release because they had to "Test it to see if it worked with all Vodafone's services". Eventually, the truth was leaked by a Vodafone employee that they were trying to have the "Unsupported" apps and services removed (things like Skype and other services).

Rugoz 2012-01-31 11:37
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I am not so sure the N9 would have sold 5 millions, but I wonder what kind of lumia sales elop expected if he starts blaming the salesmen.
It was always clear that wp7 wouldn't sell like hot cakes just because nokia makes the hardware. The hope is that nokia can push wp7 adoption above a critical mass.

Kangal 2012-01-31 11:50
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I think the only way Nokia can succeed is if they make something of their "special agreement".

They need to pack that polycarbonate with their best quality cameras, largest possible battery, 4G LTE, the fastest available SoC (for WP) and supplement their own User eXperince (a la Swipe UI).

As long as this device is the best crop (spec wise) from Windows Phone, and it looks (polycarbonate) and behaves (SwipeUI) different to the competitors....then NOKIA has a real chance!

Otherwise, they're slowly sinking in the icy waters of the Pacific regardless of how hard they trot

marxian 2012-01-31 11:54
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chuck Norris (Post 1158304)
Let Elop have a sip of Tizen and they will jump ship again :D

http://cdn.omgubuntu.co.uk/wp-conten...31-296x500.jpg
Hey, that image was supposed to mock Tizen, not promote it. :p

stickymick 2012-01-31 12:01
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Looks like things are going according to the script after all:

02-11-11 , 02:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 942351)
Looking bright, ain't it?

Nokia/Elop: "Mayday...Mayday....Mayday!!! We're all standing on a burning platform. Is there anyone out there?"

Cue the sound of the M$ outboard motor coming from the distance *Developers..Developers...Developers...Developers......

M$/Ballmer: "Aaaaaallllll aboooaaaaard!!!!!!"

Nokia/Elop: "My old mate Steve! I knew someone would save us, but who better than you":D

Motorboat pulls away from the burning platform:
*Developers....Developers....Developers....Developers*

In the far distance we hear a blood curdling scream:

"F*****G HELL!!!!! THIS BOAT IS SINKING!!!!!!"

droll 2012-01-31 12:01
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickymick (Post 1158320)
From a Vodafone locked Nokia users point of view (until I got my N900), I can quite understand where he's coming from. He just needed to look deeper and further afield than just "salesmen".

The networks are partly to blame for Nokia's demise, in the fact that they have been in control of software updates where their branded handsets are concerned.

For example- My old N95- 8GB is still on the latest Vodafone branded firmware, which happens to be 2 versions behind the generic Nokia version, with "No further updates planned, as we haven't been told of any newer versions" (Vodafone's words on their forum).

Even with the N900 they tried to restrict updates and services. Type my N900 product code into NSU and it will tell you what the latest "Vodafone approved" firmware is. T-Mobile refused to stock the device because Nokia didn't and wouldn't provide a means for them to fill it up with their network lockouts and corporate bloatware, same reason that Orange didn't stock it. O2 stocked the N900 for a short while, but because customers couldn't use O2's services they steered customers away towards competitors devices.

Vodafone customers had to fight tooth and nail to get PR1.3 for the N900. Vodafone didn't release the "Pre- PR1.3" patch, so they had to go to Nokia and beg for a double release because PR1.3 couldn't be installed over PR1.1. Once they got that sorted they still took months to release because they had to "Test it to see if it worked with all Vodafone's services". Eventually, the truth was leaked by a Vodafone employee that they were trying to have the "Unsupported" apps and services removed (things like Skype and other services).
actually, you are spot on on this. have a look at what charlie kindle says http://ceklog.kindel.com/2011/12/26/...-it-taken-off/

for those who don't know who charlie kindle is, look him up on google.

stickymick 2012-01-31 12:21
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by droll (Post 1158340)
actually, you are spot on on this. have a look at what charlie kindle says http://ceklog.kindel.com/2011/12/26/...-it-taken-off/

for those who don't know who charlie kindle is, look him up on google.
The way the networks impose the restrictions on users has been a pet hate of mine since my N73 days.
I had a device that was capable of viewing the web in all it's glory, but was restricted by the networks insistence on using the antiquated WAP system, still is today. Nokia, and to a lesser extent, other mobile O/S developers have worked tirelessly to bring full, unrestricted web browsing to mobile devices, but this has meant networks would have to spend vast quantities of cash to improve services and increase capacity to accomodate such a move.
IMO they have that cash. £5 per month for 500mb on my network, whereas it's £11 per month for 60GB on my home connection.

patlak 2012-01-31 12:24
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1158332)
I think the only way Nokia can succeed is if they make something of their "special agreement".

They need to pack that polycarbonate with their best quality cameras, largest possible battery, 4G LTE, the fastest available SoC (for WP) and supplement their own User eXperince (a la Swipe UI).

As long as this device is the best crop (spec wise) from Windows Phone, and it looks (polycarbonate) and behaves (SwipeUI) different to the competitors....then NOKIA has a real chance!

Otherwise, they're slowly sinking in the icy waters of the Pacific regardless of how hard they trot
A CEO must be dumb in order to integrate such things in a crappy OS that doesn't shift devices. Why lose time, just slap the current ready, well received OS with lots of demand and potential sales? Unless, Nokia is a MS owned...

Forcing an OS which has been disliked by pretty much 99% of the consumers is like shooting a mosquito in the dark.

_David_ 2012-01-31 12:56
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Can everyone go and write 5 preferably insightful comments on Slashdot? That page is going to get at least a million hits from Linux users.

Secondly, the story might get picked up by mainstream journalists from that page, which will really get Nokia's attention.

It's generally best to only respond to comments that are already rated at 3-5 because those are the ones everyone is reading.

txh 2012-01-31 12:57
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
I wish Nokia stuck with Maemo and meego instead of using Windows Phone. I remember when I first learnt of the n900, I had never seen anything like it. I think Maemo would have gone far if it was Nokia's main OS. :(

ossipena 2012-01-31 12:58
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1158298)
Exactly. The only people who really like WP7 can be found in the comment sections on sites like The verge or tweakers.net.
plus at least one guy who has N800, N900 and N950...

panjgoori 2012-01-31 12:59
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Nokia should release a MeeGo based device and WP based device in 2nd quarter of 2012. and should see which device will perform better. WP dont even have a chance to outperform MeeGo. as N9 outsold both WP devices beside N9 was launched to only smaller markets and with much larger price tag compared to Lumia phones.

txh 2012-01-31 13:00
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Lol. The N9 outsold windows phone even though the Nokia Windows Phone had more advertising.
Quote:
One of the worst signs for WP8 is that Nokia's N9 — despite being crippled without marketing, and often selling at full price compared to the almost fully subsidized Lumia phones — is selling better than Nokia's Windows phones, with 1.5M or more phones reaching end users. Interestingly, if the Nokia N9 had been available in all markets, it might have sold almost 5M units and pushed Nokia into profitability.

ossipena 2012-01-31 13:04
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by panjgoori (Post 1158374)
WP dont even have a chance to outperform MeeGo.
******** and anyone who has used both WP and MeeGo know that.

misterc 2012-01-31 13:09
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
wonder in how far Flop isn't hoping for improvement (anymore) but merely behaves like a little kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar...
«{HE [note: whoever...]} TOLD ME TO!!!!! WAAAAAO»
¦-)

maybe the NOKIA management starts to come to its senses after all? :confused:

BrianFellOver 2012-01-31 13:45
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I believe Singapore is the only market where both the N9 and Lumia's have been launched (for any period of time). I would love to see the comparative numbers for sales of N9 vs 800 for the same time/launch periods. I am sure Nokia is pouring over them - and very unlikely to release the data as I doubt it will support their WP7 plans vs Maemo 6 (cough...Meego).

benny1967 2012-01-31 13:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by _David_ (Post 1158368)
... the story might get picked up by mainstream journalists
one of the major daily papers (derstandard.at) has it on the front page (!) of their online edition today.

it won't change a bit in Nokia's strategy though. :(

abubakar 2012-01-31 14:11
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1158332)
..

They need to pack that polycarbonate with their best quality cameras, largest possible battery, 4G LTE, the fastest available SoC (for WP) and supplement their own User eXperince (a la Swipe UI).
..
windows 3.1 did better multitasking then windows phone os. They dont need the best processor. Hardware is not the reason lumia is not selling :)

RenaldoTT 2012-01-31 14:16
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
I happen to really like Windows Phone 7, way more than Android at least just not as much as Maemo

quipper8 2012-01-31 14:21
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
The article is purely conjectured numbers from Tomi *******n, nowhere does their appear a quote from Elop.

please people, be rational.

rcolistete 2012-01-31 14:30
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
This article is worth reading :

Dumb salesmen are hurting us – Nokia CEO
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/01...p_on_salesmen/

quipper8 2012-01-31 14:59
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Actual text of Elop Call bold is mine for the parts pertaining to blaming salesmen. Judge for yourself.

Quote:
Stephen Elop

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for joining us today for the Q4 2011 earnings call. The fourth quarter of 2011 marked a significant step in Nokia's transformation. As I have shared in my previous remarks, a transaction of the magnitude on which we have embarked is significant.

And while we progressed in the right direction in 2011, we still have a tremendous amount to accomplish in 2012 in order to properly position Nokia for sustainable long-term growth. We are now in the heart of our transaction. Most notably, in Q4 we introduced new mobile phones and smartphones, further evidence of the strategy shift in our Devices & Services business.

Overall, we are pleased with the performance of our mobile phones business, which benefited in Q4 from sequential double-digit percentage growth in our dual SIM business, with particular strength in India, Middle East and Africa, and Southeast Asia. In October, we introduced the Asha 200, 201, 300 and 303, which brought new mobile phones into 76 markets around the world. We are very pleased with the net promoter scores for Asha and consumers are responding positively to Asha’s great data capabilities, elegant design and value for money.

The operator channel also is responding positively to Asha, as the devices are bridging the gap between smartphones and feature phones. Because consumers are using their Asha devices for data and Internet, these devices are garnering a higher level of subsidy support from operators compared to traditional feature phones. Additionally, we have reached an important milestone in our mobile phones business. Quite recently, we sold our 1.5 billionth Series 40 device. Furthermore, we are building on this foundation with R&D investments as we continue our journey to bring the Internet to the next billion.

Shifting now to our Smart Devices business. In October, just six months after signing an agreement with Microsoft, we introduced our first two devices based on the Windows Phone platform, the Lumia 800 and the 710. We brought the Lumia 800 and 710 to market ahead of schedule, demonstrating that we are changing the clock speed of Nokia. To date, we have introduced Lumia to consumers in a number of European countries. We have also expanded the Lumia reach to Hong Kong, India, Russia, Singapore, Taiwan and South Korea.

We have also started our important re-entry into the North American market. Earlier this month, T-Mobile started selling the Lumia 710, and they are targeting the 150 million Americans still to make the transaction to smartphones. The Lumia 800 will also arrive in Microsoft retail and online stores in February. And starting in February, we expect to launch the Lumia 710 with Rogers and the 800 with TELUS to bring the Lumia experience to Canada.

And of course, we announced the new Lumia 900 for the US market in an exclusive partnership with AT&T. It is our third Lumia device and our first LTE device. Designed for the North American market, we expect the Lumia 900 to be available in the months ahead. The early reviews of the Lumia 900 have garnered an exceptionally positive pre-sales reception.

We introduced the Lumia 900 at the Consumer Electronics Show in Las Vegas where the new device was recognized with 13 awards from leading publications and technology associations. The awards range from Best of Show to CES Product of the Future to Top Gadget of CES 2012. While there are many challenges ahead, launching into the United States with the most recognized product at CES is a good starting point. And we won’t stop there. We plan to bring the Lumia series to additional markets, including China and Latin America, this half.

In the war of ecosystems, clearly there are some strong contenders already on the field. With Lumia, our specific intent has been to establish a beachhead in this war of ecosystems, and country-by-country that is precisely what we are now accomplishing. To date, we have sold well over 1 million Lumia devices.

Since mid-November, we went from zero markets to 15 markets, from zero devices to well over 1 million devices, from no presence in the US to being a lead in AT&T’s LTE launch. I’m pleased that we are moving from a standing start to gaining speed. From this beachhead, you will see us push forward with the sales, marketing and successive product introductions necessary to be successful.

Our performance with Lumia on a country-by-country basis varies, often as a combination of relative brand strength and retail execution capabilities. For example, in the United Kingdom, where competitive ecosystems are firmly entrenched, we have seen mixed retail execution around Lumia devices with a range of results among different locations, different chains, different stores and so on.

Contrarily, in German and Spain, we have seen steady weak-on-weak improvement in Lumia device activations up to the holiday season followed by a small expected dip during the last week of the year and then continued weak-on-weak growth in January. We are in the very early days in the United States with T-Mobile, and we are very encouraged with the early pickup that we have seen retail outlets.

The quality and ease of use of a Nokia device combined with a $50 price point is showing early signs of success as promotional activity begins. As we establish these early beachheads, developer interest is increasing. The number of applications that developers submit to the Windows Phone marketplace is at roughly three times the rate of submissions prior to our partnership announcement with Microsoft.

As a result, there are more than 14,000 developers and 55,000 new applications in the Windows Phone marketplace. As well, the Metro user interface that is on the Lumia device is expected to come soon to Microsoft PCs and tablets and increasingly to X-Box. Developers are therefore encouraged by the broadening opportunity.

But as I stated in my opening remarks, we are in the heart of our transition, which means as we bring the first of our new devices to market, there are areas where we are learning and areas where we must adjust. First, we are learning more about the variations in our store-by-store retail execution related to Lumia. Our consumer research indicates and the response that CES validates that when consumers use a Lumia device, the response is positive.

While we have secured strong support from the operators, we need to increase the engagement of the retail sales associates in the stores, because it is the retail associate who speaks with our consumers and puts the Lumia device in their hands. As a result, we are adjusting – we’re adjusting our retail tactics by increasing the quantity and quality of our retail associate training programs, seeding more Lumia devices into the market and increasing point of sales activities.

Second, through our continued focus on consumer net promoter scores, we are also learning about the areas where consumers are most favorable towards the specific capabilities of Lumia and those areas upon which we need to focus. For example, we receive very positive feedback on the elegance of design, ease of use, and absolute performance of the products.

On the other hand, consumers initially reported that battery performance needed focus. Thus we immediately adjusted to improve battery performance with software updates, which are now in market. This rapid cycle of consumer learning and Nokia response is a critical part of our improved approach to product management.

Third, we are learning that awareness of Lumia is steadily growing, assisted by each of the success of product and country launches that continue. As awareness grows, we are adjusting the focus of our marketing efforts from the aspirational aspects of a new launch towards an emphasis on the differentiated experiences and capabilities of the Lumia products.

And fourth, we are learning about the importance of truly breaking through. Thus we are adjusting our plans to increase the rate at which we enter new markets in the course of 2012. We also are increasing the focus of our corporate resources on continued marketing campaigns, and we are working to accelerate the introduction of a full breadth of products.

Overall, we are pursuing this pattern. We’ll take each step up the ladder one rung at a time, recognizing that the competitive dynamics vary country-by-country. This underscores the large amount of work immediately ahead of us to break through as the third ecosystem to capture the attention of retail sales associates, to convert the increasing awareness around Lumia into purchase intent and ultimately to delight our consumers.

Shifting now to Symbian. Early users of Symbian Belle have responded well to the advances that we have introduced to the Symbian user experience. Our plan is to continue to support the Symbian sales efforts, deliver ongoing improvements to the software experience, offer new products and continue to support Symbian through 2016.

As we have discussed, there are changing market conditions, which are putting increased pressure on Symbian. For example, Chinese operators are increasingly focused on driving the growth of 3G data subscribers. As a result, there has been an accelerating trend towards bundling retail rate plans. This in turn is driving larger volumes of lower price smartphones in configurations that are different from Symbian’s traditional strengths. As a result of the changing market conditions, combined with the increased focus on Lumia, we now believe that we will sell fewer Symbian devices than we previously anticipated.

During Q4, we also formed the Location & Commerce business to drive value from our leading mapping and location-based services platform. We conducted annual impairment testing in Q4 in the context of our new structure and plans for the future, and valued the Location & Commerce business at EUR4.1 billion, resulting in an impairment of EUR1.1 billion.

The Location & Commerce business is an important asset that is bringing differentiating location-based services to Nokia, and that serves as an important element of Microsoft services strategy. We believe this is the leading location-based services platform with an opportunity to become tremendously powerful, as computing goes more mobile and location increasingly becomes a critical organizing dimension for a person's experiences.

Through all of these changes, the passion, commitment and focus of Nokia’s employees serve us well. They are helping us accelerate the pace at which we operate at Nokia. In 2011, we made good progress in focusing our R&D teams adjusting our manufacturing capacity, renewing our manufacturing strategy, consolidating our location assets, and aligning our markets team and other supporting functions.

We have taken Nokia on an incredible journey in 2011. In 12 months, we have assessed and faced the realities of our business situation. We established a new strategy for long-term growth. We delivered the first devices in support of that new strategy ahead of schedule. And we are establishing beachheads around the globe from which we aim to win country-to-country, product-by-product, consumer-by-consumer.

In summary, with a strong balance sheet, our performance in mobile phones and the new excitement around Lumia, we are confident that we can build long-term value.

abubakar 2012-01-31 15:12
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There are salesmen, and then there are countless people reading blogs in this age of Internet. Who will win?

*pats the salesmen*

tissot 2012-01-31 15:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Wizard of Huz (Post 1158298)
It is pathetic that a CEO is blaming salesmen?
To be honest thought. He never blaimed anybody. The Register used that sentence on it's headline to get more clicks.

Elop just said that Nokia needs to improve sales personnels knowledge on WP...

_David_ 2012-01-31 15:16
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Long article by Tomi Ahonen panning Nokia and WP. His intro doesn't really do it justice:
http://communities-dominate.blogs.co...oss-plane.html

Sorry if you've seen it already.

patlak 2012-01-31 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1158438)
To be honest thought. He never blaimed anybody. The Register used that sentence on it's headline to get more clicks.

Elop just said that Nokia needs to improve sales persons knowledge on WP...
Well, Lumias are completely the same as the WP launch devices. Salespeople are aware that they haven't sold, so why bother offering disliked devices at high prices. WP offers nothing different to the consumer, unlike MeeGo, hence the no interest.

Which has more chance of selling, a device in high demand (GS2, Note, Nexus, N9) or a device with an OS that has had crappy sales for the company since launch?

These salesman are actually smart knowledgeable and I actually respect that.

Mike Fila 2012-01-31 15:57
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I actually stopped in T-mobile the other day and where I am they dont keep working models on the floor. I asked the salesman to see a windows phone. He pulled out the htc and the nokia, the battery was dead on both of them.

Even when they were plugged into the charger they would not start up with the batteries being empty. What a piece of sh*t OS after seeing that I didnt need to see anything else.

jn183 2012-01-31 15:57
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Love N9. Got LUmia800 too. It sucks... no support for it at all. All the basic features are not even available for Mango/Lumia800. Not to mention, got to go through MS service just to organize file etc. iTune works for Apple but people that avoid Apple phone obviously do not like to be controlled by iTune sync. Disappointed in Lumia 800 and Mango. I didn't read anything in review regarding so much restriction and limited support even though it had been out for awhile.

Not surprise by the crappy sale figure.

D@vIcHoJD 2012-01-31 16:31
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I think this is the result of bad decisions by Nokia, a part of this ****ing CEO, who is making things worse.
First Maemo, N900 with Meego then, with the N9, the truth that operating systems were very promising.:(

Steven Elop, little leadership to blame the other, his failure as a CEO.:mad:

Nokia react!!!


For now happy for a year and half with my N900, but now it's time to make a decision for a new smartphone, which for now will not be a nokia, Samsung will perhaps Galaxy Note:D

olympus 2012-01-31 16:46
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
I must say i'm glad that it doesn't sell well. F*cking pricks.

don_falcone 2012-01-31 16:47
Re: Nokia CEO Blames Salesmen For Windows Phone Struggles
 
...At least HP did it and got rid of the ex-SAP/SaaS-focused numbnut of an CEO that their former one was. Why not, NOKIA?

xRobby 2012-01-31 16:58
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I really don't understand why Nokia doesn't just release windows phones and N9 in different quarters. For example Lumia in Q4, meego in Q2. Would sort out a % of the 'conflicting competition between themselves.


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