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So if the N9 really did outsell the Lumia by a margin of 3 to 1 in Q4 of last year, then Nokia have some serious thinking to do. The Lumia has had more advertising, and was launched more recently so you would expect it to have sold well.

I find it very odd that Nokia won't release the sales figures for the N9 & Lumia... This further suggests that the N9 outsold the Lumia

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i saw (raw) guesstimates that N9 may have sold up to 1.5 million devices, but that's at most 50% more then (1.5 times as much as) LostDOS Lumias (over 1 million...)

did you see 3 / THREE millions N9 sold in Q4 2011 anywhere?

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Yeah i did. Can't link you as I'm on my phone. Even if it's just 50% more though, that should still be ringing alarm bells for Nokia as to whether ditching MeeGo was the right move to make

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Different people prefer different things, companies make poor decicions from someone's point of view, etc. nothing new there. btw, what difference does it make how many N9s/lumias/etc was sold? Nokia has moved on to other things than maemo/meego already. If one doesn't like the new direction it's time to move on.

I'm just happy all my maemo/meego devices still work so it gives some time to wait if some vendor chooses to produce a hackable toy that I like.

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To quote Futurama "You'll be fired... out of a canon... into the sun."

slaapliedje

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why? We might get ballmer after that...

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Nokia should fire their board of directors. They hired Elop, fired OPK, listened to the bad advice that has Maemo where it is now.

Get rid of the problem. Also, get rid of fanboyism too. Fanaticism has never yielded anything profitable - Apple excepted.

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fanatic?
visionary maybe? :p
which is not, quite, the same thing :cool:
even though having a vision may require some obstination, borderline to fanaticism :D

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Not Jobs, but the people that buy the stuff. Cult of Mac is real. I refuse to fall into line with those folks though. Lining up for days = pure fanaticism to me.

But at least they buy the Apple stuff in large quantities. Can't say the same for the Nokia fanatics. They buy one, declare it the best, never buy anything else...

N900 forever!

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but that's the whole charm of NOKIA!!!
never want another device ever again ¦-)))))))))

i'm not saying this is a good marketing policy ;)

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I think going for windows 7.5 was a great idea, nokia would have died on synbian but dicthcing meego is was down right stupid!
Having Meego devices along with WP7 wouldn't have hurt them.

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well, without Symbian devices like N8, X7 & Co & NOKIA Belle, NOKIA wouldn't sell any smart phones to speak of anymore :(

we will have to agree to disagree on that, but LostDOS se7en Paralyzed was the worst possible choice and will not sell, no matter how nicely it is packed.
ppl just don't want it
but with a zealot @ the helm...

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I don't have an issue with symbian but it did not have the advertising power that WP7 has "/ i loved all my symbian phones.

And to be fair i do really like WP7 it's too locked down for me and quite unpleasant to use, that is why i love my N9 <3

http://www.osnews.com/story/25569/No...selling_Lumia_
This article seems to say that for 1lumia sold 3 N9's were sold!

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Nokia was doing much better with Symbian than WP. Symbian didnt saw any UI changes since s60v3. Symbian Anna was the first step in right direction as all web said. Symbian Belle is a totally new UI. so devices with Symbian Belle would have gained more market share. Symbian Donna will be the next big update with Dual Core support. Releasing MeeGo along with Symbian Belle was best for Nokia but Elop screwed everything.

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Thanx for that share... it looks quite plausible!

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Tja, Symbian in itself wasn't a problem (the architecture and feature completeness is quite nice!), but the GUI was horrible after 2006 (even i didn't find in the menus what i was looking for) and the CPU power / RAM capacity given was a joke. Anyone remember "Not enough RAM" in Garmin Mobile XT, even with nothing running amongst?

But this doesn't take into account: internal Nokia politics, the unmaintability of Symbian code (remember that article about reverse-enginering their own stuff?), the fight between different business units / factions (Maemo vs. Symbian folks), too many management levels, ...)

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Stephen Elop is proposed for re-election in this year as Nokia refresh its board of directors. Hope he will not be selected again as the CEO of Nokia. http://mynokiablog.com/2012/01/31/re...-of-directors/

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yeah. ram was the biggest problem in S60v2 and v3 devices. that was resolved in later devices running S60v3 Feature Pack 2. My Nokia 5320 was having 128 mb ram and was much high than the requirements of Symbian. The great thing about symbian is that its not resource hunger nor battery hunger.

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The assumption of a 'cult' being behind Apple's success is dangerous, and a trap many companies could fall into. I'm sure there must be some Tru Fanboys out there, because everyone talks about them. I've yet to meet one, though. The fact of the matter is Apple makes really great products.

OK, I'm using an N9 right now. I love the look of the device, the buttonless operation, double tap to open, swipe... But the reality is my iPhone is way more stable and much easier to set up. The battery on it also lasts clearly longer and the antenna seems stronger (antennagate was mostly FUD). The font rendering is also better (or, possibly, the selected fonts have better defined properties in a typographical sense), the screen more precise and colour rendering is nicer.

Nokia is where it's at because it had rubbish products in comparison. My S40 wasn't horrible, but I switched to an iPhone as soon as the 3G came out. But even before the iPhone I suffered just looking at people using S60.

Having said that, I think the N9 is the best product Nokia has produced in many, many years. One that really shows the huge potential there could have been, and one that appeals to people's imaginations. The moment I saw an early prototype, I was immediately keen on it. Its fate is a sad thing.

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That's true. But, when a CEO forces an OS that has sold as much as the population of an African village, you can voluntarily drop it in the sewer.

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Symbian is still selling. It took them long to make it sparkle, but Belle, Carla and Donna could have been top sellers in their segment. However, after the burning memo, the opposite is a given.

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RAM issue was resolved with Feature Pack 1, not 2. N95 8GB, N82, N93, E90 (OMAP 2420 devices), they all had 128MB RAM with demand paging (free ram was ~85MB on boot). S60v5 lacked RAM and a GPU and so did the FP2 devices. If Nokia was smart and added RAM and GPUs, even N-Gage would've still been alive. I love the app and its store. Job done well with no support whatsoever.

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I don't like fanaticisim and as I said in my last post, n900 and maemo based devices were a gift from Nokia.

Nokia was always in mind of everyone because they were the most important and they were always with new products.

each new product generated comments and comments.

now I enter in Nokia site and see 0 interesting products.

I remember the days when nokia 9300 , nokia 9500 , nokia 7710, nokia 770 were in their site. :D

OOOOOHHHH my S80s...

One of the problems of actual Nokia is that it has lost its SOUL.

Its FAITH doing things in different ways...now they are just copying products.

the only thing I can say now is long life n900.

regards.

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that 3 to 1 (N9 to Lumia) comes from the numbers Ahonen uses...
even though the number is controversial in its definition (number of devices shipped versus number sold) there seems to be about 1'000'000 Lumia's shipped/sold 'til recently (possibly including some in Jan, though...)
the 1'500'000 (2 million?) N9's are not quite clearly defined neither (selling started in October, i believe whereas Lumia's only started shipping in late November or even December...)

for sure, N9 sells amazingly well for a device that is not supposed to whereas the "saviors" Lumia are far from a roaring success they should be...
but that's hardly NOKIA's fault, now, is it?
there are simply running m@le$$h!t's LostDOS Paralyzed :mad:

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It's hard to have sales when Lumia 800 costs €490 in my country and a Nexus costs €510. Some idiot managed to buy the Lumia. I got excited for short and thought it was a N9. But then, I saw the buttons....

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Reliable, happy customers should be the goal of any company. Nokia has them, but lesser now than say in 2007 - despite the world population growing.

Regardless; you should look at how Apple did it. Innovation, great marketing, research and development around UI/UX, materials and distribution channels.

I loved it too. It's waiting on PR 1.2 before I switch back to it - felt incomplete but fun to use.

That's your experience. I get what you're saying but as it stands, to sell the masses what you're selling (Apple) instead of offering folks stuff they may not want (Nokia) - there's a big difference. Nokia didn't adapt to the changes in the markets as fast as the others. Same for RIM/Blackberry.

I blame the management.

The N900 crowd will disagree with you. The N9 was the first time Maemo was a mass customer facing/directed attempt for Maemo. And it's dead mainly due to management.

Management should have funded it. Fire the management. Fire the board of directors.

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gee, me was thinking of Flop as the zealot...
Ollila: Reactions to Nokia Lumia positive...

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4.95 € with contract or contract prolongation at T-Mobile D. Just like any other highend Android or iOS phone. But despite of that usual price, I have not seen any people using Lumia in Germany.

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I wish all Lumias go bankruptcy.

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i did not see any lumia in romania, only N9.
problem with N9 is that i only saw 16gb version, and for a device without sd, the 64 gb is a must. ( at least for me ).

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Lucky you the amazing (*****) everyday has taken over my TV in Greece. But for now it's just that, since I haven't seen someone with a Nokia phone in a while. One herp derp was actually amazed when he saw my N9 as he thought Nokia had stopped making smartphones.

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odd, in Europe Germany was the country with the hightest LostDOS imMobilized penetration (over 5% if memory serves well...)
possibly company phones that now got replaced by ANDRoid or iPotatos?

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Gerbick, it is even worse with Psion users : they bought one or two and use/used for 5, 10 years ! Psion (5MX, etc) were so good that their users refused to replace those marvelous handhelds. My Psion Revo+ is still working as new after 11-12 years... :cool:

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I agree. At the end of the day, Nokia's falling was most obviously a lack of vision and lack of good management —*but particularly the first. A basic example: for years I couldn't understand why mobile devices didn't sync over the Internet. We had all kinds of data packages, 3G and everything —*yet the phones were absolutely *horrible* at using it. The whole industry was ripe for disruption, which Apple did very effectively.

On your point about the N900 crowd disagreeing with my statement of the N9 being best, I know what you mean. I disagree with it, but I know many n900 fans (our startup's office is a couple of blocks away from the Nokia Research Centre, where all the Maemo stuff was done). To me the n900 showed, again, loads of promise. It was much, much better than the disgustingly bad n97 — yet was never pitched as an alternative to it. But it was still a bit klunky and lacked the fluidity of the Swipe.

An n900 would never tempt me away from the iPhone, but the N9 can. The N9 is one of the most tragic devices ever, really.

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they just closed one fabrick from romania and probably moved to asia, or nowere, and in this moment, no reklam to nokia would not be welcome.

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Oh yeah I red about that. Well from what I've been reading alll nokia factories are idle since the lumias are made somewhere in chine and I think the one in Romania was just closed. Nice times to work for mr elop. But again you're lucky every time I see the Lumia add I get pissed off as they did Nothing for the N9

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Funny thing in all this is, the Microsoft deal came to practice the moment everything Nokia was ready for primetime.

Elop, you deserve a pat on your back. Your disbelief of having an iphone competitor turned out to be a potential best seller.

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Well, the N95-1 was STARVED of memory, it had 23MB available after boot, and the early firmwares were worse (18MB). It couldn't run Opera Mobile 10+, crashed even before loading the home page...

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Nokia should fire Elop and hire Julian Fourgeaud.

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another sad story is n9 battery that unreplaceable, =='

i still stick with my N900(beast one)