What is the future of Maemo?
 

Where Nokia is heading is obvious, the N9 was the last Maemo-based mobile phone, upcoming devices will therefore be based on Windows Phone.
However, I love both my N900 and my N9 so much that I'm actually not willing to accept that the Maemo concept, the combination of open source plus professional ecosystem backend from Nokia (like Maps and Music) should have no future!
Intels mobile Atom platform is ready for production now, and as well Motorola as Lenovo have unveiled Intel-based smartphones.
Also, an Intel-Z2460 based tablet hast been spotted already.
Wouldn't it be amazing to get an Intel powered mobile device such as a tablet which is running Maemo and which is also binary compatible with current Debian/Ubuntu or Fedora distributions?
I also love the amazing swipe gestures of the N9 - I never want to miss them again!
Since there are some other Linux based smartphone projects such as Ubuntu or Openmoko, I only wonder how much of the current maemo infrastructure could be transferred to those?

What actually is Meltemi?
I really don't believe that there is still active Linux research going on at Nokia, but this project is mentioned from time to time...

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The future is bright! Im still using nokia 3210, still no nokia support :( Working great anyway!

Meltimi is nothing so far. It could be everything or nothing. In fact it could be or evolve to Maemo of 2013. Who knows. Let's hope so. :D

You can be sure they still looking into linux and future OSes!

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Oh god, not again...

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Yes, Again! Bring it...You have no idea how this thread turns out this time ;)

I don't believe for a second that we have seen the last Linux OS for SmartAssPhones from Nokia. Wait and see :D

EDIT: From this interview with the Boss Man I can conclude that at least 2/3 of nokia's developers working on apps for pilots :eek:

Great read!

http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4395...w-uk-exclusive

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Who wrote this? I know it wasent Elop :D If its written in wikipedia it must be true.

http://t.co/mcDEetsq

"Having no support from Nokia and with market restricions, the one and only N9 model has reached sales estimated to be between 1.5 and 2 million units. In a comparable period, 3 cheaper Lumia smartphones, sold in the most affluent markets, with the biggest marketing support by Nokia ever and with massive multi-hundred-million dollar marketing budget by Microsoft reached 600,000 unit sales combined. The N9 outsells Lumia in average 3 to 1 in sold units. Considering the higher price of N9 this means N9 model generates sagnificantly more income and revenue for Nokia than all 3 Lumia devices combined."

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Re: http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/4395...w-uk-exclusive

This article urges me to just barf into a fountain; like Brits during summer on Ibiza or Crete.

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the future is bleak! but hopefully not so bleak that we have to replace Arm with Intel in mobile devices. I don't want my mobile device to melt away and shut down. Intel is playing a desperate game of catch up with Arm, a game they will not win. and since they will not win on mobile devices, dont bet your future on Intel stocks :D

anyways, I also dont accept that Nokia has given the Linux community a cold shoulder, but the worst is in my opinion that the Linux Kernel side, GNU, KDE and Gnome is so far behind in making Linux/GNU available on mobile platforms. And I am not counting binary blobs solutions, although they are better than Android, Ios and Winphone. I am talking about the freedom to install your own Linux solutions on mobile platforms like we currently can on PCs.
There has ofcourse been some progress on Mobile platforms, a worthy mention is ofcourse Maemo, Meego, Mer, Tizen, WebOS(perhaps), Hildon, Plasma active.

We need more, we need to conquer the mobile platform. Like Microsoft, Intel and some others, the Linux/GNU/open source/free community has missed the mobile revolution. Where are all the Linux distroes for Ipad? For Samsung galaxy? For android devices? for smartphones? for tablets?

This is the main problem. and dont tell me its difficult or the hardware is complex and closed, because its not in the original spirit of the free community to give up.


how wonderful would it be to have Maemo as a Linux distribution from Nokia with support from some future updated devices? that would be fantastic and brilliant?

how likely is it now that Nokia has sold out? Not very likely.

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As far as I remember Nokia was always "cheap" in terms of modern processors. Maybe there is a chance that they want position 1-core N9 and similar future phones (Meltemi) as medium-end and put modern 2-cores to WindowsPhone as a high-end. Especially after false start of Lumia line ;)

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Meltemi is about Qt. Why else would Nokia still invest so much in Qt and not sell it completely to Digia? Just for keeping Symbian on maintenance state for a few years? Certainly not. Qt 4.8 will be the last Qt release for Symbian, according to Nokia @ Qt Dev Days 2011. Qt 5 will be on Meltemi.
But I don't think that Meltemi will be Maemo or be based on it.

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The future of Maemo is more than likely the same as other systems that were well loved, willing to be taken care of by their highly involved communities - think Zaurus and Familiar Linux for iPaq - and ultimately will end up the same fate as those aforementioned projects; forgotten and poorly managed due to proprietary components.

With that said I hope that's not the case. But if Nokia was happy to let Maemo get to "bastard stepchild" status since 2006 to now, my doubts that it will be truly open sourced and released to the masses is that much lesser. I do not wish that, however I feel as if that's going to be the case.

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it would be a fine and good move of Nokia to release all hardware specs and open the drivers for N900. since its a legacy device anyways.

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I just realized that meego.com is down already.
Seems like chances are quite bad to see any more MeeGo devices in the future.
I only wonder what happend to all the other MeeGo distributions, like the NetBook and tablet releases?
I actually never understood why Nokia never encouraged the community to port Maemo to more devices, like the tablets usually running Android.
Android, on the other hand, has been ported to nearly any device on the market, even to our beloved N900 and N9...

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It may be a legacy device, but it doesn't contain legacy IP from 3rd parties. PowerVR for example.

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MeeGo is still up.

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Actually we should define the future of Maemo (N900) and Meego (N9/M950) separately as they are two incompatible devices.

I reckon the future of Maemo is another 3 years because by then N900 devices will have reduced beyond the critical mass due to attrition.

The future of Meego is harder to predict. If (and only if) Nokia stops N9 production in 2015 it may continue for another 3-4 years.

Meltemi is not the future of Maemo/Meego. It will be a dumbed down os to replace Symbian for developing countries and crippled in order not to compete with Lumia.

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A more urgent question is what is the future of Nokia? I will give Nokia another one and a half years max before it is broken up, restructured and sold for a song if it continues down the WP7 path.

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Sold to Microsoft with the bless of Elop.

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Why is that question in any way urgent? Nokia is just an OEM for Microsoft now. If Nokia dies, Microsoft will just find another company to crank out Zunephones. Microsoft has enough cash to fail in the mobile arena 10 more times, and still be in the game, so Nokia isn't even critical to Microsoft, much less us.

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now we already can state that maemo is dead.
however, qtmoko and shr aren't.
nemo mobile is not.

the only hope about maemo is that cssu guys will fork it, replace non-free components, and maintain a free maemo implementation.
why them? I believe nobody in the community knows maemo better.

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Maemo CSSU and Nemo Mobile aren't dead. Agree.
There is no need to fork CSSU when CSSU is already, with time, including more and more of reverse-engineered components. Such as, osso-systemui-tklock (with CSSU-devel, it has portrait mode working, unlike the non-free version of it), clock-ui... You can see the green (replaced with open-source versions) packages in Fremantle closed packages. There aren't that much of them, but with time, there will be more. For instance, even though "osso-graphics-game-chess" is non-free, there already is an excellent replacement for the graphics published in a thread, albeit not packaged into a .deb yet. "osso-icons-default" would take much more patience, to maintain the spirit of the default theme while using free images.
And I thank CSSU-developers, yet again, for their brilliant work. Not only they reverse-engineer closed components, they also fix the bugs, and add new features.
Best wishes.
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