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UnlimiteD3k 2012-02-17 10:01

N9 has gorilla glass?
 
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My phone just fell off my bed ~1/2 meter and this is what happened to the upper right corner!!

Dave999 2012-02-17 10:33

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
No, I feel sorry for you. I But I have to ask. Why did you the drop it on the floor?

zaoltryence 2012-02-17 10:38

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
I think it could have been worse if its another phone, mine dropped like 2 meters but screen stayed intact but the upper corner near the headphone jack is dented

UCOMM 2012-02-17 10:43

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
gg protects against scratches and nothing else :(


its still glass, so it will still shatter

aRTee 2012-02-17 10:59

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Ever since bling became more important to sell phones than sturdiness, this has been the risk people must live with.
Old style phones have a ledge, and much lower risk of having this kind of damage. But they also look ugly.

BTW does it still work ok? Sure sucks; good thing I got a flip cover from Ebay (hey, it's only about 2USD and 2 weeks waiting from China), that reduces the risk of such things happening...

eMiL 2012-02-17 11:20

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You threw it on the ground!!

UnlimiteD3k 2012-02-17 11:58

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
why would anybody suggest that I intentionally dropped it?! Ofcourse it was an accident

its worth noting that it had worst falls n survived! Dunno how this happened.

still works fine though, even the ambient sensor is ok.
will take it for repair soon, crossing fingers for a slim repair bill

don_falcone 2012-02-17 12:05

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
The positive side on this that you have at least the ability taking pictures of "cosmetic flaws" just in a right way _and_ upload them being visible to all readers. ;)
(not like a certain "ominous white N9 thread" poster)

lifeintheblitz 2012-02-17 12:18

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Which reminds me... (see attachment)

Anyway, as somebody pointed out, Gorilla Glass isn't invincible.

Kangal 2012-02-17 12:26

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Apple has never used Gorilla Glass.

One of the biggest complaint about the iPhone was the screen shattering, so Apple implemented (read: licenced) their own glass on the 3G. That's much inferior to Gorilla Glass or Lotus Glass and Apple has still used the same technology on all the models including the iPads'.

They're long overdue for improvement but I doubt even the next revision will bring it, maybe the one after ?

SamGan 2012-02-17 12:40

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Depends on how it hits the floor. Glass doesn't have the same strength in all directions. If the impact happens to knock on a weak spot at a certain angle it will shatter. If your phone had hit the floor face down it would probably be alright.

Cue 2012-02-17 14:53

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UnlimiteD3k (Post 1166173)
why would anybody suggest that I intentionally dropped it?! Ofcourse it was an accident

its worth noting that it had worst falls n survived! Dunno how this happened.

still works fine though, even the ambient sensor is ok.
will take it for repair soon, crossing fingers for a slim repair bill

I think they may be referring to this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAYL5H46QnQ

lancewex 2012-02-17 15:11

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 1166191)
Apple has never used Gorilla Glass.

Not accurate. They initially did but moved on to their own.

My N900 was dropped so many times without issues. These things are getting more delicate.

pataphysician 2012-02-17 15:16

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You might have been protected if you used the rubber case that ships with the phone. Without the rubber case, the Gorilla glass has a slight exposed edge all around, something hitting that small edge would probably cause damage. With the rubber case on, this edge has some protection.

SaiKo 2012-02-17 22:07

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by UCOMM (Post 1166158)
gg protects against scratches and nothing else :(

It doesn't protect against scratches either, at all.
On the contrary in my experience.

I have my n900 for almost 2 years, all it's got is a bunch of superficial scratches that are not really noticable when using it.
It's seen the floor multiple times.

Had my n9 for 1 week when i noticed 2 deep small scratches that alternatingly reflect pink/light blue light when screen is light coloured.
So often very noticable when using it.
And that was while being very careful with my new device, i actually paid attention not to touch it with anything hard so where the f*** do these scratches come from?



Glass screens feel good to the touch, but that is about all good that can be said of them.
They scratch, they crack, are not covered by warranty most of the time and they are only good for imprecise input methods.

Why do all manufacturers insist on using them? aaaarg!

asadkhan1988 2012-02-17 22:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by don_falcone (Post 1166178)
The positive side on this that you have at least the ability taking pictures of "cosmetic flaws" just in a right way _and_ upload them being visible to all readers. ;)
(not like a certain "ominous white N9 thread" poster)



:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

hahah

Dave999 2012-02-17 22:17

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What's your plan now? Fix it up or destroy it completely?

impact 2012-02-17 22:29

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Looks like it needs a new screen, which I've read should be about 1/3 of the price of the phone.

My phone fell twice from about 50 cm height, both times there was no damage. I think the rubber case saved it.

Now if only there was a way to keep the touch screen clean.

tissot 2012-02-17 22:44

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SaiKo (Post 1166388)
It doesn't protect against scratches either, at all.
On the contrary in my experience.

I have my n900 for almost 2 years, all it's got is a bunch of superficial scratches that are not really noticable when using it.
It's seen the floor multiple times.

Had my n9 for 1 week when i noticed 2 deep small scratches that alternatingly reflect pink/light blue light when screen is light coloured....


Can't agree with above. N900 and 5800 on my use had tons of hairline scratches in certain spots and they where even visible when the screen was on.
While my GS, iPhone 4, Ipad 2, N9, Lumia 800, ipod touch, etc all have been safe with just couple of hairline scratches, not visible without the right angel of light.



Btw stumbled to wiki for Gorilla glass history. iPhone actually had the original gorilla glass.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorilla_Glass

qorax 2012-02-18 00:41

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http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/7738/n9broken.jpg
Quote:

Originally Posted by ZackMorris (Post 1148100)
For the love of God! Always use a case! I figured hey what could happen without a case when I'm charging the phone overnight? Well it took a 3ft fall onto a tile floor directly on the corner. The case would've protected it. Better safe than sorry, take it from me, it is so painful to have this happen. Luckily I just dropped it off for repairs, it is about 270 dollars to have it fixed, not so lucky...


qorax 2012-02-18 01:31

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Does Gorilla Glass Break / Scratch?

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6...sextended2.jpg

Well, as it's always said, "a glass - is a glass"... so Gorilla or otherwise - will do break / scratch. However, will it do so easily, w/out a 'fight'? -I guess Not. The following vids seem to prove it's prowess:

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhC7TLaflWk
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQnPmr61POw
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOHZD2bNQyA

Then how do I get these scratches on my phone?

It's an interesting paradox. If Gorilla is not easily scratched by materials commonly found in your pocket, how do our phones often end up with scratched screens?

The point to note is between the words "Resistant" & "Proof". Gorilla glass is indeed harder than normal glass, so it's harder to scratch & break... but not invincible. After all [repeat] glass is glass - they will scratch & break! Nobody said, "it's scratch proof" - but it sure is "resistant to it".

Three [3] things seem to go against:
1. Long-term use;
2. Regular rubbing;
3. Presence of harsher materials in our pockets.


All those videos depict a one-time effort. Those, one-off, attacks might not place a scar over some lower quality glass as well - leave alone Gorilla. While a few more persistent efforts too wouldn't do much to this hardened, tempered, ion-compressed & fortified material [google the making of this wonderful thing]. But the above three - is a different proposition altogether.

The fact remains that our phone's scratches are caused by sand, grit & dirt, in our pockets and the surfaces where inadvertently we place them. And this is multiplied by the regular rubbing of these unseen-evils over a period of time. Yes, in common parlance they aren't as 'harsh' as the items used in those vids [viz. coins, keys, swiss-knives etc.], but when regularly subjected - they tend to be, albeit, 'harsher'!

Of course, if we r so careless to keep our phones in the vicinity / regular presence of those tools/items - it'd scratch faster -- but we aren't that naive 2day, r we? We do take extra care to see where / how we 'put' that phone... even ensuring avoidance of those omni-present Levi's rivets. However, as much as we care - our devices yet get those unsightly / unworthy / heartaches. 'Coz there's 'true grit' in the grit!

But then, do we use those $1 screen-protectors?

Debatable. Much depends on personal choice. I don't. And have never had a scratch on my screens to fear / boast / talk of. What with Corning spending millions on R&D and producing a state-of-the-art product -- then we go putting a rubberized-plastic bloat over it? But then, who am I to contradict / judge user preferences either? However, I'd opine that a bit of care [preferably using the N9's OEM case* & keeping the phone in our right pocket, which usually has nothing else but the hanky] and placing the phone on softer surfaces, when drawn out, could well keep it ship-shape in the long run. That's what I do. We don't carry diamonds in our pockets, do we?

Gorilla thrown / droppped off the stairs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=bc5JjPU4Xh0

And this dude dropped a Galaxy Nexus [it's a Gorilla too!] a whole floor, uh! Agreed it was carpeted - but the drop was solid - a common glass would shatter [I did, watching his escapade!] - but our Gorilla didn't crack. LOL - I was about to dial Amnesty International !

Qorax
*Which certainly is the best OEM (freely included) case any phone ever had inside its box.

Dragoss91 2012-02-19 17:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qorax (Post 1166427)
Does Gorilla Glass Break / Scratch?

http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/6...sextended2.jpg

Well, as it's always said, "a glass - is a glass"... so Gorilla or otherwise - will do break / scratch. However, will it do so easily, w/out a 'fight'? -I guess Not. The following vids seem to prove it's prowess:

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhC7TLaflWk
2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQnPmr61POw
3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOHZD2bNQyA

Then how do I get these scratches on my phone?

It's an interesting paradox. If Gorilla is not easily scratched by materials commonly found in your pocket, how do our phones often end up with scratched screens?

The point to note is between the words "Resistant" & "Proof". Gorilla glass is indeed harder than normal glass, so it's harder to scratch & break... but not invincible. After all [repeat] glass is glass - they will scratch & break! Nobody said, "it's scratch proof" - but it sure is "resistant to it".

Three [3] things seem to go against:
1. Long-term use;
2. Regular rubbing;
3. Presence of harsher materials in our pockets.


All those videos depict a one-time effort. Those, one-off, attacks might not place a scar over some lower quality glass as well - leave alone Gorilla. While a few more persistent efforts too wouldn't do much to this hardened, tempered, ion-compressed & fortified material [google the making of this wonderful thing]. But the above three - is a different proposition altogether.

The fact remains that our phone's scratches are caused by sand, grit & dirt, in our pockets and the surfaces where inadvertently we place them. And this is multiplied by the regular rubbing of these unseen-evils over a period of time. Yes, in common parlance they aren't as 'harsh' as the items used in those vids [viz. coins, keys, swiss-knives etc.], but when regularly subjected - they tend to be, albeit, 'harsher'!

Of course, if we r so careless to keep our phones in the vicinity / regular presence of those tools/items - it'd scratch faster -- but we aren't that naive 2day, r we? We do take extra care to see where / how we 'put' that phone... even ensuring avoidance of those omni-present Levi's rivets. However, as much as we care - our devices yet get those unsightly / unworthy / heartaches. 'Coz there's 'true grit' in the grit!

But then, do we use those $1 screen-protectors?

Debatable. Much depends on personal choice. I don't. And have never had a scratch on my screens to fear / boast / talk of. What with Corning spending millions on R&D and producing a state-of-the-art product -- then we go putting a rubberized-plastic bloat over it? But then, who am I to contradict / judge user preferences either? However, I'd opine that a bit of care [preferably using the N9's OEM case* & keeping the phone in our right pocket, which usually has nothing else but the hanky] and placing the phone on softer surfaces, when drawn out, could well keep it ship-shape in the long run. That's what I do. We don't carry diamonds in our pockets, do we?

Gorilla thrown / droppped off the stairs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=bc5JjPU4Xh0

And this dude dropped a Galaxy Nexus [it's a Gorilla too!] a whole floor, uh! Agreed it was carpeted - but the drop was solid - a common glass would shatter [I did, watching his escapade!] - but our Gorilla didn't crack. LOL - I was about to dial Amnesty International !

Qorax
*Which certainly is the best OEM (freely included) case any phone ever had inside its box.

I guess that drop test is irrelevant because the phone just landed perfectly on the back . Take a look at the battery cover how it stays untouched after the first hit . As far as I know , gorilla glass it's resistant at shocks (like hitting display with an object) , the real nightmare for gorilla glass are shocks against it's corners .

sorry for gramma mistakes , english is not my mother language :)

Lomax 2012-02-21 15:21

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Actually Gorilla Glass was specifically created for use in the first iPhone. Corning had experimented with similar materials in the past but they never went into production - until Steve Jobs got annoyed by how easily the intial prototype (which had a plastic screen) got scratched...

Gorilla Glass:

Quote:

Corning experimented with chemically strengthened glass in 1960, as part of an initiative called "Project Muscle". Within a few years they had developed what they named "gorilla glass". However, Corning could find no practical use for the glass at the time and "gorilla glass" was never put into production.

In 2006, Apple Inc. was developing what was to be the first model of the iPhone. Though initially it was to have a hard plastic screen, Steve Jobs found that when placed in his pocket his keys scratched the prototype's surface. Jobs was outraged and resolved to find a glass that was scratch-resistant enough that iPhone buyers wouldn't have the same problem.

Jobs ended up contacting the CEO of Corning, Wendell Weeks and told him that Apple needed a light yet strong enough glass screen for use in their consumer devices. Weeks told him of the "gorilla glass" that the company had developed in the 1960s but had since been mothballed. Jobs convinced Weeks to immediately put the glass into production for use in the upcoming iPhone. Despite initial skepticism on Weeks' part that Corning could do so and also be able to manufacture enough screens in time for the iPhone's pending release, they did in fact achieve these aims within six months. Corning's Harrodsburg, Kentucky factory was able to supply enough "gorilla glass" screens for Apple's iPhone release in June 2007.

Thereafter, Corning's revived Gorilla Glass project started to develop this tough cover glass for a range of smartphones and other consumer electronics devices for multiple companies. Alongside smartphones, Gorilla Glass is also used in tablets, notebooks and TVs.
Note also:

Quote:

Gorilla Glass' most useful qualities are its strength, scratch resistance and thinness.
As for scratching Gorilla Glass, it's very easy to do as long as the material you scratch with is harder than the glass. Gorilla Glass has a hardness level of 7 (Mohs scale) but your average beach is full of corundum crystals, which have a hardness level of 9...

Corundum:

Quote:

Because of corundum's hardness (pure corundum is defined to have 9.0 Mohs), it can scratch almost every other mineral.
Quote:

It commonly occurs as a detrital mineral in stream and beach sands because of its hardness and resistance to weathering.
Edit:

A steel knife would typically have a hardness of 5.5 Mohs so will not scratch Gorilla Glass. Neither will plain window/bottle glass (also 5.5 Mohs), keys (maybe 4-5 Mohs) or jeans rivets (probably under 5.5 Mohs). But watch out for hardened tools (drillbits, files, pro screwdrivers etc) as these are easily harder than Gorilla Glass (7-8 Mohs) - and don't forget sanding paper and other abrasives which often contain corundum or other even harder minerals (tungsten carbide for example).

HELLASISGREECE 2012-02-21 15:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancewex (Post 1166256)
My N900 was dropped so many times without issues. These things are getting more delicate.

That is because the N900 does not have glass.

the display is protected by plastic


N8/N9/E7,..etc have GLASS

afaq 2012-02-21 16:23

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Qorax - have to say i thoroughly enjoy reading your posts simply because your formatting skills are legendary. :)

afaq 2012-02-21 16:32

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People keep the original rubber cases on! I cant tell you how many times ive dropped my N9 (slippery like a fish!) and the rubber has stopped it from denting/scratching etc. Its not as pretty with the case on but i cant think of an alternative solution.

qorax 2012-02-21 19:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by afaq (Post 1167836)
Qorax - have to say i thoroughly enjoy reading your posts simply because your formatting skills are legendary. :)

Thanx afaq - I apreciate ur sweet words... the internet seems to have revived the journalist in me, LOL !

zapotek 2012-02-21 20:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by zaoltryence (Post 1166157)
I think it could have been worse if its another phone, mine dropped like 2 meters but screen stayed intact but the upper corner near the headphone jack is dented

me to!both corners :(

sitoub_n82 2012-02-21 21:34

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Well mine fell from 1 meter on asphalt and even though I had the rubber cover on.......oh it hurts just to say it.....the screen is pretty messed up (but just the screen). I had a screen protector and I feel that's what's keeping the pieces together!!! You can fix it at a local shop but it will cost you $180 or you can buy the screen yourself for $125-$150. ZackMorris has his fixed at palcocellphonerepair.com, apparently they're good!

patlak 2012-09-09 15:29

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Gorilla glass = my a.s.s

I keep it in a pouch, away from keys or anything that could potentially scratch it, and today in the sun, I see scratches. What, are my fingertips that sharp?

wobegong 2012-09-09 17:52

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1263708)
Gorilla glass = my a.s.s

I keep it in a pouch, away from keys or anything that could potentially scratch it, and today in the sun, I see scratches. What, are my fingertips that sharp?

I agree - Mine's scratched and also kept away from keys, think it happened when i carelessly put my sunglasses in my my pocket together with the phone - only did it once and thats when I noticed the scratches. Phone is about 2 months old.

On the other hand my almost 2 year old iPhone4 is completely scratch free.

SamGan 2012-09-10 03:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1263708)
Gorilla glass = my a.s.s

I keep it in a pouch, away from keys or anything that could potentially scratch it, and today in the sun, I see scratches. What, are my fingertips that sharp?

Read the previous post by Lomax. Steel has a hardness less than gorilla glass so keys are irrelevant. What scratched your screen is probably bits of sand (silica) dragged across the glass when you wipe it or some grit in your pouch. They are harder than steel and have the same hardness as glass so they will scratch glass.

dumpystig 2012-09-10 04:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by wobegong (Post 1263782)
On the other hand my almost 2 year old iPhone4 is completely scratch free.

Yeah but can it multitask??? :p

KTy 2012-09-10 05:51

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
Same for me, the N9 screen coating quality is poor. Disapointing.

SamGan 2012-09-10 07:49

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
If you want to preserve your screen as scratch free as the day you bought it use a screen protector. 'Nuff said.

topet2k12001 2012-09-10 08:22

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
I agree with the "proof" vs. "resistant" statement...I also agree that "a glass is a glass" as mentioned in one of the previous posts makes a strong point. Some materials may be tougher/stronger/weaker, but at the end of the day they are not indestructible and hence we should be expecting it to eventually be subjected to "wear and tear".

Just sharing my opinion. :) I'm sure that the N9 is not the only product that uses this, and there may be varying "toughness/weakness", but there.

We just need to be realistic/practical and not be too scientific/technical about it because there is the human variable where, no matter how we compare, we all have different usage styles, environments, amount of care taken, etc.

thedead1440 2012-09-10 08:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KTy (Post 1264060)
Same for me, the N9 screen coating quality is poor. Disapointing.

In fact, multiple reviews have given preference to the N9 screen coating if you find them...

Kroll 2012-09-10 15:32

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
I have droped my N9 almost 10 times on the wood floor and concrete as well from 1 to 1½ meters. Nothing happened.

mikecomputing 2012-09-10 17:02

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People are so stupid beleiving in marketing crap about non breakable glas or scratchfree glas.

get real for **** sake, ofcourse they can break whatever glas it has on any phone.

mine is breaked similar to the thread creators

SAABoy 2012-09-10 17:50

Re: N9 has gorilla glass?
 
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84206

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=85343


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